Eggs-cellent!

[Simon70]

Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091605.stm

[lyonhibs]

Shame they weren't harder, spiky, exploding eggs.

[LiverpoolHibs]

There was quite a bit of fast moving traffic not too far away from him there, could someone not have given him a 'helpful' shove? Poor show.

[Sir David Gray]

As much as I deplore Nick Griffin and the BNP, I do not condone assault no matter who is on the receiving end.

Whether people like it or not (and I most certainly do not like it) he is the leader of a legitimate political party and is now a democratically elected member of the European parliament.

He has some very extreme and outrageous views on many issues that I find disgusting but in a democracy, we all have the right to freedom of speech, regardless of how repugnant and offensive those views may be to a lot of people.

I will quote a saying that I absolutely believe in 100%, which is;

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Now most people know what the BNP really stands for but, as things stand just now, they do not officially encourage murder or attacks on anyone. Basically, as long as someone does not call for people to be killed or hurt in any way or support a group that actively encourages violence, they should be allowed to say whatever they like.

I think it's important that people see and hear Nick Griffin for what he is and then they can make up their own minds.

However, as much as I believe in free speech, I also believe in being allowed to peacefully protest against something or someone you do not like. But I'm afraid throwing eggs at someone, although not the most serious crime in the world, is not a form of peaceful protest.

The best, and most effective, way of protesting against the BNP is by turning out and voting in every single election for anyone other than the BNP.

That will hurt them a lot more than any eggs that are thrown in their direction.

[hibsbollah]

Its one of the toughest issues that can be grappled with in political morality. How do you respond to undemocratic forces when they are in power thorugh democratic will? Is it justified to act undemocratically (ie-curtail their free speech) to protect the freedoms that they are trying to dismantle?

In terms of logic, I have to agree with falkirkhibee. The attack isnt justifiable and Griffin's free speech should be protected. But illogically and purely as a gut reaction, I wish I had smacked Griffin right in the coupon with one of those eggs:greengrin

[iwasthere1972]

Shame they weren't harder, spiky, exploding eggs.


:hilarious Were they scrambling for cover?

[libernian]

As much as I deplore Nick Griffin and the BNP, I do not condone assault no matter who is on the receiving end.

Whether people like it or not (and I most certainly do not like it) he is the leader of a legitimate political party and is now a democratically elected member of the European parliament.

He has some very extreme and outrageous views on many issues that I find disgusting but in a democracy, we all have the right to freedom of speech, regardless of how repugnant and offensive those views may be to a lot of people.

I will quote a saying that I absolutely believe in 100%, which is;

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Now most people know what the BNP really stands for but, as things stand just now, they do not officially encourage murder or attacks on anyone. Basically, as long as someone does not call for people to be killed or hurt in any way or support a group that actively encourages violence, they should be allowed to say whatever they like.

I think it's important that people see and hear Nick Griffin for what he is and then they can make up their own minds.

However, as much as I believe in free speech, I also believe in being allowed to peacefully protest against something or someone you do not like. But I'm afraid throwing eggs at someone, although not the most serious crime in the world, is not a form of peaceful protest.

The best, and most effective, way of protesting against the BNP is by turning out and voting in every single election for anyone other than the BNP.

That will hurt them a lot more than any eggs that are thrown in their direction.

:top marks

absolutely!! what i just seen on the news isnt democracy, its bully tactics and totally against the principals of this country (i hope) and democracy!

i wouldnt vote for them either, but doedsnt mean people who voted for them shouldnt be represented.

if anyone the protesters are the fascists, oppressising peoples opinions. disgusting. its like a third world country.

[Gerard]

:top marks

absolutely!! what i just seen on the news isnt democracy, its bully tactics and totally against the principals of this country (i hope) and democracy!

i wouldnt vote for them either, but doedsnt mean people who voted for them shouldnt be represented.

if anyone the protesters are the fascists, oppressising peoples opinions. disgusting. its like a third world country.

:top marks

[New Corrie]

Today's events are just playing into Grffen's hands. He's now trying to portray himself as a victim. I think the people who are quite rightly concerned about the BNP's rise in popularity should be asking the question...Why have 950 000 UK citizens voted for them? This is what happens when people feel disenfranchised and let down. Throwing eggs isn't going to help, reconnecting with the people might though.

[LiverpoolHibs]

:top marks

absolutely!! what i just seen on the news isnt democracy, its bully tactics and totally against the principals of this country (i hope) and democracy!

i wouldnt vote for them either, but doedsnt mean people who voted for them shouldnt be represented.

if anyone the protesters are the fascists, oppressising peoples opinions. disgusting. its like a third world country.


:top marks

Some quotes from Nick Griffin MEP...


"The tales of Waffen SS courage and sacrifices are almost limitless."

"You give me twenty minutes or an hour, a special programme to dissect the Koran, and I will show you that we have a monster in our midst."

“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat…I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.”

"Islam Is A Wicked Vicious Faith"

"Without the White race, nothing matters. [Other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create 'Black Britons', while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land."

Pertinently....

"When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate. We have to have a body of trained young men capable of defending our organisation. If people come to crack our heads we will break theirs."

"The electors of Millwall did not back a post modernist rightist party but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."

"The TV footage of dozens of gay demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures so repulsive."



It's not often I'd say/write/type a sentence such as this, but I sincerely hope he gets shot in the face. And I'm not massively bothered if that makes me anti-democratic, a bully or similar to what someone in a third world country (which was an ineteresting turn of phrase incidentally).

[GC]

Some quotes from Nick Griffin MEP...





It's not often I'd say/write/type a sentence such as this, but I sincerely hope he gets shot in the face. And I'm not massively bothered if that makes me anti-democratic, a bully or similar to what someone in a third world country (which was an ineteresting turn of phrase incidentally).

I have no time for the man, despise what he stands BUT that is a truly shocking comment.

[LiverpoolHibs]

I have no time for the man, despise what he stands BUT that is a truly shocking comment.

Meh, I'll live with it.

[Betty Boop]

I was listening to a phone-in this morning on Five-live, where callers who had voted for the BNP, were asked their reasons. A guy said that he had been pulled up for having golli-wog badges on his hat, so he voted BNP. :bitchy:

[Storar]

Some quotes from Nick Griffin MEP...





It's not often I'd say/write/type a sentence such as this, but I sincerely hope he gets shot in the face. And I'm not massively bothered if that makes me anti-democratic, a bully or similar to what someone in a third world country (which was an ineteresting turn of phrase incidentally).

I'm genuinely shocked by your views on this.

[ArabHibee]

I was listening to a phone-in this morning on Five-live, where callers who had voted for the BNP, were asked their reasons. A guy said that he had been pulled up for having golli-wog badges on his hat, so he voted BNP. :bitchy:

he'll be loving my avatar then:cool2:

[Stanton Sharkey]

Meh, I'll live with it.
You will not be saying that in a few years time when people will be wearing orange jump suits, waiting to get there heads cut off, from home grown terrorists in the uk, shown live on the web, maybe then you will think mmm the BNP had a point, i would not want the BNP in power but they are at least voicing things which other parties will not, this is a free country, let the normal working class people have there say, people think it but are too put off by the do-gooders of this country.

[Tazio]

You will not be saying that in a few years time when people will be wearing orange jump suits, waiting to get there heads cut off, from home grown terrorists in the uk, shown live on the web, maybe then you will think mmm the BNP had a point, i would not want the BNP in power but they are at least voicing things which other parties will not, this is a free country, let the normal working class people have there say, people think it but are too put off by the do-gooders of this country.

Are you mental? And how is this going to happen? I only know of one group that chains people up in orange jumpsuits.

[Betty Boop]

he'll be loving my avatar then:cool2:

Mmmm sometimes its best to say nothing.

[hibsdaft]

You will not be saying that in a few years time when people will be wearing orange jump suits, waiting to get there heads cut off, from home grown terrorists in the uk, shown live on the web, maybe then you will think mmm the BNP had a point, i would not want the BNP in power but they are at least voicing things which other parties will not, this is a free country, let the normal working class people have there say, people think it but are too put off by the do-gooders of this country.

to be fair i've followed Liverpool_Hibs posts for a while and i think you've underestimated him there, he's not afraid to say what he thinks and no islamo-fascist would stop him more than a one-eyed Griffin-fascist.

re: the bit in bold you've created a good entry for a point i wanted to make - how tragic that the ex-miners of in and around Barnsley would get an ex-NF fascist who wanted them smashed in the 80's elected today. doesn't get more tragic than that imo.

[ArabHibee]

Can someone tell me what is so bad in the BNP's manifesto? Is there out and out racism or are people reading between the lines to something more sinister? I'm just interested and not trying to push anyone's buttons by asking this. :dunno:

[marinello59]

Can someone tell me what is so bad in the BNP's manifesto? Is there out and out racism or are people reading between the lines to something more sinister? I'm just interested and not trying to push anyone's buttons by asking this. :dunno:

They can't publish out and out racism as that would be illegal. Consider their leaders remark the other day that "you just have to look" to see who is indigenous to this country and you get what their agenda is. If the Tories immigration policy was "dog whistled" then these guys are using a dirty great klaxon.

[LiverpoolHibs]

You will not be saying that in a few years time when people will be wearing orange jump suits, waiting to get there heads cut off, from home grown terrorists in the uk, shown live on the web, maybe then you will think mmm the BNP had a point, i would not want the BNP in power but they are at least voicing things which other parties will not, this is a free country, let the normal working class people have there say, people think it but are too put off by the do-gooders of this country.

You are an absolute lunatic.


to be fair i've followed Liverpool_Hibs posts for a while and i think you've underestimated him there, he's not afraid to say what he thinks and no islamo-fascist would stop him more than a one-eyed Griffin-fascist.

re: the bit in bold you've created a good entry for a point i wanted to make - how tragic that the ex-miners of in and around Barnsley would get an ex-NF fascist who wanted them smashed in the 80's elected today. doesn't get more tragic than that imo.

Quite. I wonder how much Hope not Hate et. al. used that as a campaign tool. Not nearly enough I'd imagine. They wanted troops used on the pickets, ffs.

The May edition of The Miner (in PDF form here if anyone's interested - http://www.num.org.uk/num/pdf/MINER17.pdf ) should have been distributed in ridiculous numbers across the North West (and elsewhere for that matter).

[Stanton Sharkey]

[QUOTE=LiverpoolHibs;2066797]You are an absolute lunatic.



Im a lunatic am i, alright then, was there not a ploy to kidnap a british soldier last year by islamic terrorists in our country FACT! What do you think would happen? I will tell you they were planning to do, execute the soldier on camera,then post it on the web. You sir,are the lunatic.

[Betty Boop]

[QUOTE=LiverpoolHibs;2066797]You are an absolute lunatic.



Im a lunatic am i, alright then, was there not a ploy to kidnap a british soldier last year by islamic terrorists in our country FACT! What do you think would happen? I will tell you they were planning to do, execute the soldier on camera,then post it on the web. You sir,are the lunatic.
And what about the white supremists caught in County Durham with a jar full of Ricin last week? What do you think they were planning to do with that?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/police-smash-white-supremacist-terror-plot-to-poison-ethnic-minorities-with-ricin.html

[Allant1981]

[QUOTE=Stanton Sharkey;2066882]
And what about the white supremists caught in County Durham with a jar full of Ricin last week? What do you think they were planning to do with that?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/police-smash-white-supremacist-terror-plot-to-poison-ethnic-minorities-with-ricin.html


Christ scary stuff, maybe they were planning some kind of chemisty lesson!! I'm sure they will have some kind of answer prepared. I stay opposite a house that was raided a couple of years ago and the guy was charged with something(cant remember what) under the terrorism act and he said he had been looking at the web sites for research material. Still locked up and has since been found guilty mind you. Was mental that day. Never seen so many dogs being walked when the tv crews were outside the house

[Stanton Sharkey]

[QUOTE=Stanton Sharkey;2066882]
And what about the white supremists caught in County Durham with a jar full of Ricin last week? What do you think they were planning to do with that?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/police-smash-white-supremacist-terror-plot-to-poison-ethnic-minorities-with-ricin.html
I agree with you mate, a terrorist is a terrorist no matter what religon, colour or creed, i hope they go to jail for a long time, the 7/7 bombings was just a what i think is a small drop in the sea, compared to what will happen here in the future by islamic terrorists. This is real guys, innocent people will die in there hundreds in our country, all because of extreme islamic views, people from this country will seek revenge, its the start of a merry-go-round, i dont know the answer to this problem, dialouge wont work with extremist, cause they want the uk to be an islamic state, its gonna get ugly. I cant help the way i feel about this guys, so before you start slating me, just think if, no when this happens, what are we going to do about it?

[BravestHibs]

[QUOTE=LiverpoolHibs;2066797]You are an absolute lunatic.



Im a lunatic am i, alright then, was there not a ploy to kidnap a british soldier last year by islamic terrorists in our country FACT! What do you think would happen? I will tell you they were planning to do, execute the soldier on camera,then post it on the web. You sir,are the lunatic.

But there's loads of white guys who kill people in this country. Maybe we should think about turfing all whites out as well. Cars kill alot of people, lets ban them. Household accidents as well. Demolish all houses. Swimming Pools. Ban them. Lets just kill everyone so that no one can ever kill anyone else ever again. Problem solved.

I am the lunatic.

[LiverpoolHibs]

I agree with you mate, a terrorist is a terrorist no matter what religon, colour or creed, i hope they go to jail for a long time, the 7/7 bombings was just a what i think is a small drop in the sea, compared to what will happen here in the future by islamic terrorists. This is real guys, innocent people will die in there hundreds in our country, all because of extreme islamic views, people from this country will seek revenge, its the start of a merry-go-round, i dont know the answer to this problem, dialouge wont work with extremist, cause they want the uk to be an islamic state, its gonna get ugly. I cant help the way i feel about this guys, so before you start slating me, just think if, no when this happens, what are we going to do about it?

Oh God. It's, an even more extreme, FalkirkHibee Mk. II!

I think even he would baulk at this level of scaremongering.

[LiverpoolHibs]

You will not be saying that in a few years time when people will be wearing orange jump suits, waiting to get there heads cut off, from home grown terrorists in the uk, shown live on the web, maybe then you will think mmm the BNP had a point, i would not want the BNP in power but they are at least voicing things which other parties will not, this is a free country, let the normal working class people have there say, people think it but are too put off by the do-gooders of this country.

Incidentally, going back to this. If you think they're right, why would you not want them in power?

[blaikie]

They can't publish out and out racism as that would be illegal. Consider their leaders remark the other day that "you just have to look" to see who is indigenous to this country and you get what their agenda is. If the Tories immigration policy was "dog whistled" then these guys are using a dirty great klaxon.
They go pretty close ...
http://bnp.org.uk/files/2009/04/immigration.jpg
:bitchy: Taken from there website,

[stu in nottingham]

Firstly I'll state quite clearly that I abhor everything Griffin and his party stand for. I can also easily understand the anger that brings about such an attack. Where do we draw the line however and who should be the arbiter?

I recall John Prescott (not a man I particularly admire incidentally) being attacked and responding instinctively by punching his assailant's head off. Whilst not advocating the use of violence I could easily understand his reaction, I think many of us might have responded similarly.

I'll cry no tears for the likes of Griffin being attacked. I think it's important not to develop any sympathy for him and his party in the public though in any way. That includes this attack. Beat them with decency and honour instead - they know little about that concept.

[hibsdaft]

Can someone tell me what is so bad in the BNP's manifesto? Is there out and out racism or are people reading between the lines to something more sinister? I'm just interested and not trying to push anyone's buttons by asking this. :dunno:

this youtube clip of Nick Griffin with the leader of the KKK telling his audience that he is still a racist but realises he has to re-orientate his language is quite telling, well worth viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw

in the last decade Griffin has stopped banging on about Jews and targeted Muslims (even though in the 1980s he went to Libya to try and get funding from Colonol Gaddaffi). you can't judge him on whatever he feels will go down well today because he conceals his real beliefs (as he himself admits in the youtube clip). on top of everything else, the guy is a liar.

[Allant1981]

this youtube clip of Nick Griffin with the leader of the KKK telling his audience that he is still a racist but realises he has to re-orientate his language is quite telling, well worth viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw

in the last decade Griffin has stopped banging on about Jews and targeted Muslims (even though in the 1980s he went to Libya to try and get funding from Colonol Gaddaffi). you can't judge him on whatever he feels will go down well today because he conceals his real beliefs (as he himself admits in the youtube clip). on top of everything else, the guy is a liar.


He didnt quite say that

[marinello59]

They go pretty close ...http://bnp.org.uk/files/2009/04/immigration.jpg
:bitchy: Taken from there website,

Exactly. .

[marinello59]

He didnt quite say that


Erm.............actually he did.

[LiverpoolHibs]

He didnt quite say that

I'm not sure what your hearing there that would make you think he wasn't explicitly stating that he (and his party) is still racist.

[hibsbollah]

Today's events are just playing into Grffen's hands. He's now trying to portray himself as a victim. I think the people who are quite rightly concerned about the BNP's rise in popularity should be asking the question...Why have 950 000 UK citizens voted for them? This is what happens when people feel disenfranchised and let down. Throwing eggs isn't going to help, reconnecting with the people might though.

So because less than 1.5% of the population voted for them, the Govt needs to take their views into account? Thats not the basis of our British parliamentary democracy (aka the British way of life that we're supposedly trying to protect). Winner takes all in elections.

Lets get some facts right. The BNP did not have a breakthrough in terms of electoral support. Their vote went up slightly in terms of % (6.2% up from 5%) and Nick Griffin got less votes in terms of total votes cast than last time. At a time when you would expect a big anti-establishment protest vote (expenses scandal from the big parties, biggest recession for years, midterm, rampant anti-islamic sentiment in the media), they didnt do all that well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2009/06/fewer_votes_for.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/europe/2009/election_09/

Compare that with the Greens, who got more votes than the BNP and are safely Britains 5th party. They also got a bigger increase (8.6% of the vote up from 6.2%) than the BNP, so the gap is widening. Unfortunately, reporting an increased popularity of sandal wearing liberals isnt as exciting news-wise as an increased popularity of pseudo-fascists:greengrin

[Betty Boop]

A cosy wee week-end and a nice wee sing a long!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxsT9geBp2E&feature=related
:bitchy:

[Allant1981]

I'm not sure what your hearing there that would make you think he wasn't explicitly stating that he (and his party) is still racist.


Did he or did he not say "I'm a racist"?

[--------]

this youtube clip of Nick Griffin with the leader of the KKK telling his audience that he is still a racist but realises he has to re-orientate his language is quite telling, well worth viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw

in the last decade Griffin has stopped banging on about Jews and targeted Muslims (even though in the 1980s he went to Libya to try and get funding from Colonol Gaddaffi). you can't judge him on whatever he feels will go down well today because he conceals his real beliefs (as he himself admits in the youtube clip). on top of everything else, the guy is a liar.


He didnt quite say that


Erm.............actually he did.


I'm not sure what your hearing there that would make you think he wasn't explicitly stating that he (and his party) is still racist.


I listened very carefully.

He said it.

"Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle, we've got ourselves into a position where we control the British Broadcasting Corporation, then perhaps one day the british people might change their mind and say, Yes, every last one must go... So, instead of talking about racial purity, you talk about identity..."

He also referred to "our ideas, which are your ideas too" - speaking to an audience which included a former KKK leader, pictured making a Nazi salute to a burning cross?

He said it. :agree:

[Betty Boop]

Griffin on Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsnSZnhygQY&feature=related

[Allant1981]

I listened very carefully.

He said it.

"Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle, we've got ourselves into a position where we control the British Broadcasting Corporation, then perhaps one day the british people might change their mind and say, Yes, every last one must go... So, instead of talking about racial purity, you talk about identity..."

He also referred to "our ideas, which are your ideas too" - speaking to an audience which included a former KKK leader, pictured making a Nazi salute to a burning cross?

He said it. :agree:


I'm not denying the guy is a fud and a racist but he defo did not say in that speech "I AM A RACIST"

[LiverpoolHibs]

I'm not denying the guy is a fud and a racist but he defo did not say in that speech "I AM A RACIST"

So to 'tell an audience that your still a racist' it is necessary to say the exact words 'I am a racist'?

This is getting slightly ridiculous...

[Killiehibbie]

They are racist simple as that. The leaders are a little bit cleverer than the skinheads who were in the national front but they are the same underneath the suits.

[Allant1981]

So to 'tell an audience that your still a racist' it is necessary to say the exact words 'I am a racist'?

This is getting slightly ridiculous...


Well yes, say this was leaked to the papers and they wrote he has just said he is a racist, do you think they would get away with not being sued for slander?

[--------]

I'm not denying the guy is a fud and a racist but he defo did not say in that speech "I AM A RACIST"


What is so hard here?

What do you think the guy was saying?

"There's a difference between selling out your ideas and selling your ideas.

Now the BNP isn't about selling out its ideas, which are your ideas too; but we are determined now to sell them, and that means basically to use the saleable words, to say 'freedom', 'security', 'identity', 'democracy' - nobody can criticise them, nobody can come at you and attack you on those ideas. They are saleable.

Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle, we've got ourselves into a position where we control the British Broadcasting Corporation, then perhaps one day the british people might change their mind and say, Yes, every last one must go...

So, instead of talking about 'racial purity', you talk about 'identity'..."

He's saying clearly and specifically that the BNP aren't going to talk about 'racial purity' or 'immigrants out' any more - they're going to use safer words like 'identity' and 'security' to get the same ideas over. Once they're in power, THEN they'll start saying what they really mean.

The package is the same. Only the verbal wrapping-paper's different.

Hitler didn't sart off blatantly proposing the murder of the entire European Jewish population. He didn't start off saying, "I hate all Jews and I intend to kill them." He talked about "the Jewish problem", and "cultural cleansing" - saleable words. Only when he was firmly in power did he make it clear exactly what "processing" meant in the Nazi language.

I feel dirty quoting the guy.

[LiverpoolHibs]

Well yes, say this was leaked to the papers and they wrote he has just said he is a racist, do you think they would get away with not being sued for slander?

Libel... :wink:

I think any judge with half a brain in his head would read in transcript in which he states...

"The BNP isn't about selling out its ideas, which are your [supporters of the ****ing Ku Klux Klan] ideas too...Perhaps one day, by being a bit more subtle we find ourselves in a position where we conrol the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say, "Yes, every last one must go", perhaps they will one day...so instead of talking about racial purity you talk about identity"

...and tell him to get to ****. So no, your right Griffin would probably win. :greengrin

[hibsdaft]

Did he or did he not say "I'm a racist"?

i never used quotation marks.

i was summarising what he says for those who don't follow the link and i thought what i wrote was a fair reflection of what he said.

if you don't think its fair to summarise someone telling a room full of white supremacists and ex-KKK that he still shares their ideas, and racial purity beliefs as saying he's still racist then fair do's each to their own.

the reason i posted the link was as much to do with his admission that he is hiding his true beliefs from the british public than what i believe is an admission of racism (which imo is a given for folk who have been in and around fascist and nazi parties - and i don't use the n word lightly - for a lifetime like him and Brons anyway).

[--------]

Libel... :wink:

I think any judge with half a brain in his head would read in transcript in which he states...

"The BNP isn't about selling out its ideas, which are your [supporters of the ****ing Ku Klux Klan] ideas too...Perhaps one day, by being a bit more subtle we find ourselves in a position where we conrol the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say, "Yes, every last one must go", perhaps they will one day...so instead of talking about racial purity you talk about identity"

...and tell him to get to ****. So no, your right Griffin would probably win. :greengrin


First, you have to find a judge with half a brain. A lot of them don't have that much.

Second, you have to find one that isn't a member of the Party (or at least a fellow-traveller or sympathiser). That could be difficult.

So if it ever came to court, the smart money would probably be on Griffin. :rolleyes:

BTW - I once heard THAT Southern Aryan 'gentleman' in the clip explaining to an interviewer that the KKK don't 'burn' crosses on people's lawns.

They LIGHT them.

Apparently it's more 'Christian'.

[Allant1981]

Libel... :wink:

I think any judge with half a brain in his head would read in transcript in which he states...

"The BNP isn't about selling out its ideas, which are your [supporters of the ****ing Ku Klux Klan] ideas too...Perhaps one day, by being a bit more subtle we find ourselves in a position where we conrol the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say, "Yes, every last one must go", perhaps they will one day...so instead of talking about racial purity you talk about identity"

...and tell him to get to ****. So no, your right Griffin would probably win. :greengrin


Libel/Slander its pretty much the same thing. We are living in a society where we need to watch what we say/write and Nick Griffin is very good at covering up what he is saying compared to what he actually believes

[Ed De Gramo]

Griffin will hopefully fall under the wheels of a bus :agree:

If anybody doesn't like my opinion...then tuff!

Griffin is the one who came out and said that a soldier of British birth should be stripped of his Victoria Cross (which he earned by driving a vehicle full of injured soldiers through a battlefield) because his skin colour isn't white :bitchy::grr::grr: