Do we really live in the 21st Century

[Big Ed]

Amid all the hoo-ha about MPs expenses and Jordan and Peter splitting up this outrage has seemingly passed on with very little comment: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/20/irish-catholic-schools-child-abuse-claims
I'd like to point out that this is not a dig at individual Roman Catholics. Rather that a worldwide "institution" of which there are more than 1 BILLION followers, still has enough high ranking officials making excuses for a substantial group of individuals who, have indulged in the lowest form of abuse of influence, trust and office against the most vulnerable people - those most in need of their help.
Is it any wonder that the final comment of one of the victims, after all that had happened, was so bitter?

[Hibs Class]

:agree: That it happened at all is abhorrent enough, but the continuing institutionalised cover-up only makes it much, much worse. I hope that in time the church will acknowledge, apologise and atone for these sins, but chances are it will at the very least take a long time for that to happen.

(The report also quotes the Archbishop of Westminster acknowledging the courage of the clergy involved in child sex abuse in confronting their actions. Utterly grotesque)

[Phil D. Rolls]

Amid all the hoo-ha about MPs expenses and Jordan and Peter splitting up this outrage has seemingly passed on with very little comment: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/20/irish-catholic-schools-child-abuse-claims
I'd like to point out that this is not a dig at individual Roman Catholics. Rather that a worldwide "institution" of which there are more than 1 BILLION followers, still has enough high ranking officials making excuses for a substantial group of individuals who, have indulged in the lowest form of abuse of influence, trust and office against the most vulnerable people - those most in need of their help.
Is it any wonder that the final comment of one of the victims, after all that had happened, was so bitter?

Fair's fair, but the expenses and the celeb break up are issues in the UK. This outrage happened in Ireland and surely it's their business?

[Big Ed]

Fair's fair, but the expenses and the celeb break up are issues in the UK. This outrage happened in Ireland and surely it's their business?

Not really. An institution said to represent 1/6 of the population of the planet, trying to sweep the most nauseating breaches of trust imaginable, under the carpet should be world wide news for me.

[Woody1985]

Not really. An institution said to represent 1/6 of the population of the planet, trying to sweep the most nauseating breaches of trust imaginable, under the carpet should be world wide news for me.

I think he wrote that with his toungue firmly in cheek. :greengrin

[Tazio]

Nope, I don't think we do (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8076253.stm)

[Sir David Gray]

Nope, I don't think we do (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8076253.stm)

I just heard about this earlier tonight.

As someone who is generally opposed to abortions, I find this case absolutely shocking.

Protesting peacefully against something you don't agree with is fine, it's even quite healthy in a democratic country, but it's completely unacceptable to take the law into your own hands.

I don't agree with what this man did for a living but under no circumstances does that justify someone killing him.

Whoever is responsible for his death must face justice.

[Sylar]

I just heard about this earlier tonight.

As someone who is generally opposed to abortions, I find this case absolutely shocking.

Protesting peacefully against something you don't agree with is fine, it's even quite healthy in a democratic country, but it's completely unacceptable to take the law into your own hands.

I don't agree with what this man did for a living but under no circumstances does that justify someone killing him.

Whoever is responsible for his death must face justice.

Unfortunately, the extreme Evangelism in the US view what this guy done as murder on a daily basis.

That does not make a defense for murder, but evidently someone felt strongly enough to take action.

These zealots think they are assisting with "God's work", by eradicating sinners, by using means described as mortal sins, in the text! - their hypocrisy is sickening at best.

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Unfortunately, the extreme Evangelism in the US view what this guy done as murder on a daily basis.

That does not make a defense for murder, but evidently someone felt strongly enough to take action.

These zealots think they are assisting with "God's work", by eradicating sinners, by using means described as mortal sins, in the text! - their hypocrisy is sickening at best.





The right to peaceful protest is fundamental to democracy and a free society.

I don't agree with the practice of late-term abortion as a routine method of birth-control, but there are sometimes sound medical reasons for a doctor to go down that road with a patient and the decisions taken in that regard are between the doctor and patient and no one else.

In the end, it's no one else's business.

I find it very difficult to work out how anyone could advocate murder as the solution to any moral or ethical problem.

FWIW, I was just watching this last night....

Det. Tim Bayliss (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001717/): Fourteen years old... When I was fourteen, jeez, I was in the ninth grade, and I don't remember much of what I was doing, but I know I was nowhere close to picking up a gun and shooting another kid.
Det. Frank Pembleton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0105672/): How old should our shooter be?
Det. Tim Bayliss (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001717/): Not fourteen.
Det. Frank Pembleton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0105672/): So if he's what, fifteen, sixteen years old, it makes any more sense?
Det. Tim Bayliss (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001717/): No.
Det. Frank Pembleton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0105672/): How old should he be then? What's the cut off age? Seventeen? Eighteen?
Det. Tim Bayliss (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001717/): I don't know, but not fourteen.
Det. Frank Pembleton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0105672/): When you find out, clue me in, awright? I'd like to know when any of this killing, at any age, from six to sixty, makes any sense. One time I want to hear about a murder that makes sense. Just one time. For any reason.

[Sylar]

The right to peaceful protest is fundamental to democracy and a free society.

I don't agree with the practice of late-term abortion as a routine method of birth-control, but there are sometimes sound medical reasons for a doctor to go down that road with a patient and the decisions taken in that regard are between the doctor and patient and no one else.

In the end, it's no one else's business.

I find it very difficult to work out how anyone could advocate murder as the solution to any moral or ethical problem.



Being absolutely honest, I'm not sure why you've quoted me in your response?

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Being absolutely honest, I'm not sure why you've quoted me in your response?

Sorry, Scott - I clicked on the "multi-quote", changed my mind about what I was going to post, then forgot I had been going to quote you, then posted and didn't look at the post afterwards.

Does that make any sense at all?




Thought not. :rolleyes:

What I WAS going to say was that an American student I knew at Edinburgh University while I was reading Divinity was very surprised that so many of the Scottish students training for the ministry were prepared (like myself) to call themselves Evangelicals, since in the US that label was usually applied to people of a rather more "extreme" persuasion - the nut-jobs, in fact. Took a wee while to convince him we weren't all snake-handlers.

I've no idea what clinical criteria this particular doctor applied before consenting to carry out an abortion, but I find it hard to concede the logic of someone who believes that terminating the life of a faetus at 20-24 weeks is wrong (I personally would say that at that stage we're dealing with a human life) but who simultaneously reckons it's OK to walk into a church and gun down a man in his what? 60's - in front of his friends and family?