What party is anti Europe

[davy]

Without all the racial baggage?

I would not dream of voting BNP if I was anti Euro, however where are the alternatives? UKIP seems to be the respected party...so they say. Interesting what the BNP are saying..http://bnp.org.uk/category/ukip-exposed/

Now I wouldnt believe very much of what BNP say nor pay much atttention, however I would imagine these allegations can be checked out rather easily

[Mibbes Aye]

I have no interest in the BNP


Interesting what the BNP are saying..(link removed)


:hmmm:

[davy]

:hmmm:


Ha ha yeh I see what you mean. :greengrin I have no interest in voting for BNP, however I do have an interest in what the various parties promote and how they conduct theirselves. I do read over a few of the political party material from various parties as like others here I am a bit exasperated by the failings of most of them and wondering what direction to take regarding voting. Its only by reading not only what they say about themselves but also what others are saying...and if there is any basis to their arguments that a bigger picture is gained. FWIW I might not bother voting anyone

[LiverpoolHibs]

'No to the EU - Yes to Democracy', though if UKIP seem like even a vaguely attractive prospect they're probably not going to be your cup of tea.

[steakbake]

So one candidate is an EU national, the other is Sri Lankan born but is now a UK national.

This is a European election. I could stand for election in Ireland or Denmark or France...anywhere in the EU if I wished. I could also vote anywhere in the EU as well, if I registered to vote in EU elections there.

BNP are turning this into a race issue. Both aren't "british", but this is a European election. People are elected to represent their particular constituency, but you do not by definition, have to be a national of that country to stand.

For a party obsessed about Europe, they certainly show a lot of ignorance in their policies on it.

[Haymaker]

For a party obsessed about Europe, they certainly show a lot of ignorance in their policies on it.

:agree:

[hibsdaft]

Without all the racial baggage?

no2eu as LH says, set up by Bob Crow and the RMT i believe.

http://no2eu.com/

# Reject the Lisbon Treaty
# No to EU directives that privatise our public services
# Defend and develop manufacturing, agriculture and fishing industries in Britain
# Repeal anti-trade union ECJ rulings and EU rules promoting social dumping
# No to racism and fascism, Yes to international solidarity of working people
# No to EU militarisation
# Repatriate democratic powers to EU member states
# Replace unequal EU trade deals with fair trade that benefits developing nations
# Scrap EU rules designed to stop member states from implementing independent economic policies
# Keep Britain out of the eurozone

[LiverpoolHibs]

no2eu as LH says, set up by Bob Crow and the RMT i believe.

http://no2eu.com/

# Reject the Lisbon Treaty
# No to EU directives that privatise our public services
# Defend and develop manufacturing, agriculture and fishing industries in Britain
# Repeal anti-trade union ECJ rulings and EU rules promoting social dumping
# No to racism and fascism, Yes to international solidarity of working people
# No to EU militarisation
# Repatriate democratic powers to EU member states
# Replace unequal EU trade deals with fair trade that benefits developing nations
# Scrap EU rules designed to stop member states from implementing independent economic policies
# Keep Britain out of the eurozone

It's actually quite a momentous step for a major union to renege on backing the Labour Party, although not surprising that it hasn't really made the news much.

They've got my vote anyhow.

[Sir David Gray]

Without all the racial baggage?

I would not dream of voting BNP if I was anti Euro, however where are the alternatives? UKIP seems to be the respected party...so they say. Interesting what the BNP are saying..http://bnp.org.uk/category/ukip-exposed/

Now I wouldnt believe very much of what BNP say nor pay much atttention, however I would imagine these allegations can be checked out rather easily

There are candidates from twelve different parties standing in Scotland (plus one independent).

They are;

Labour
Conservative
Liberal Democrats
Green Party
Scottish National Party
British National Party
Scottish Socialist Party
Socialist Labour Party
Christian Party-Christian Peoples Alliance
NO2EU
Jury Team
United Kingdom Independence Party

Out of those, the BNP, UKIP, SLP and NO2EU are committed to withdrawing the UK from the EU, but for different reasons.

The BNP and UKIP are right wing parties and the SLP and NO2EU are both left wing parties.

The Christian Party is "eurosceptic" but I'm not aware of them stating that they would withdraw from the EU.

Hope this helps.

[BravestHibs]

Without all the racial baggage?

I would not dream of voting BNP if I was anti Euro, however where are the alternatives? UKIP seems to be the respected party...so they say. Interesting what the BNP are saying..http://bnp.org.uk/category/ukip-exposed/


I'm not sure respected is the right word.

Is this the party KKKilroy started up? It's as though the daily mail is it's fanzine. Posh tw@ts dressing up racism in a pretty dress.

[LiverpoolHibs]

I'm not sure respected is the right word.

Is this the party KKKilroy started up? It's as though the daily mail is it's fanzine. Posh tw@ts dressing up racism in a pretty dress.

Nah, UKIP have been around for a while. He founded (and has now left) Veritas.

[da-robster]

Aren't the tories eurosceptic :confused:

[Pretty Boy]

Aren't the tories eurosceptic :confused:

That question is probably the one which has divided the Conservative Party for all eternity. Some Tories are pro Europe eg Ken Clarke, many are Euro Sceptics. As a party i'm actually unsure where they stand at the moment. Then again i'm not sure anyone knows what Dave and the chaps stand for now on almost any issue.

A party miles ahead in the polls with barely 5 clear policies, madness..

[joe_hfc]

Without all the racial baggage?

I would not dream of voting BNP if I was anti Euro, however where are the alternatives? UKIP seems to be the respected party...so they say. Interesting what the BNP are saying..http://bnp.org.uk/category/ukip-exposed/

Now I wouldnt believe very much of what BNP say nor pay much atttention, however I would imagine these allegations can be checked out rather easily

Just had a wee look on the BNP site, and went on the 'Immigration' tab. Oh dear :rolleyes:

[Allant1981]

Just had a wee look on the BNP site, and went on the 'Immigration' tab. Oh dear :rolleyes:


On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.
To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.
We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

While I dont agree with all the things said here I agree about stopping the halt to further immigration and the deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants. Why should we as tax payers have to pay for these people to be stuck in our jails while we pay for them. While I have empathy for those who live in poorer countries we have enough problems of our own in this country with housing etc without the added pressure of finding and funding illegal immigrants. I am not for one second a racist but I agree with the BNP on these points

[marinello59]

Who are the ethnic British people and who decides? :confused:
What is the British identity?:confused:
Which immigrants do the BNP want to return to their land of "ethnic" origin?

[da-robster]

That question is probably the one which has divided the Conservative Party for all eternity. Some Tories are pro Europe eg Ken Clarke, many are Euro Sceptics. As a party i'm actually unsure where they stand at the moment. Then again i'm not sure anyone knows what Dave and the chaps stand for now on almost any issue.

A party miles ahead in the polls with barely 5 clear policies, madness..

Thanks I didn't know.
My mum recieved an election leaflet and I read it there policy was lets say very confused:greengrin

[PeeJay]

I am not for one second a racist but I agree with the BNP on these points

But surely the BNP points you take the care to post and mention are racist, which makes you - if you do agree with them - racist? :confused:

Racist: An advocate or supporter of racism; a person whose words or actions display racial prejudice or discrimination. Also in extended use: a person who is prejudiced against people of other nationalities

[Allant1981]

But surely the BNP points you take the care to post and mention are racist, which makes you - if you do agree with them - racist? :confused:

Racist: An advocate or supporter of racism; a person whose words or actions display racial prejudice or discrimination. Also in extended use: a person who is prejudiced against people of other nationalities


As I clearly said I am not a racist, I just think that it is a waste of tax payers money having people in our jails who are not citizens of this country. Let them serve time in the jail of their own country

[lucky]

It's actually quite a momentous step for a major union to renege on backing the Labour Party, although not surprising that it hasn't really made the news much.

They've got my vote anyhow.

The RMT are not affilated to the Labour party. They support Tommy's mob but is the best use of railworkers money?

[LiverpoolHibs]

The RMT are not affilated to the Labour party. They support Tommy's mob but is the best use of railworkers money?

They were until a couple of years ago, and presumably they don't support Solidarity throughout their organisation - given that Solidarity are a Scottish party.

I'd say it's a considerably better use of money than slavishly backing a party which has presided over huge deregulation of the labour market and constantly refused to repeal anti-union legislation.

[PeeJay]

As I clearly said I am not a racist

You posted the racist policy of a racist party and state that you agree with it - so how can you then clearly state that you are not a racist?
As you also completely ignore the OED definition I posted, it would be interesting to know exactly what YOU understand by the term racist?:confused:

[Allant1981]

You posted the racist policy of a racist party and state that you agree with it - so how can you then clearly state that you are not a racist?
As you also completely ignore the OED definition I posted, it would be interesting to know exactly what YOU understand by the term racist?:confused:


So why should we keep people in our jails who are illegally here in this country when they could be back in the country they came from serving the same time and probably not having it as easy as the jails in our country

According to the Oxford English Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_English_Dictionary), racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups. The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster%27s_Dictionary) defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief. The Macquarie Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macquarie_dictionary) defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture), usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."

I cant see how my post comes under any of these, I am not a racist and will argue this until I'm blue in the face

[PeeJay]

"... racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.

You have just posted proof of what I stated - you surely realise that don't you??

Anyway: You posted the racist policy of a racist party and state that you agree with it - so how can you then clearly state that you are not a racist?

Why bother going blue in the face - why not simply come clean: you know it makes sense?

[Allant1981]

You have just posted proof of what I stated - you surely realise that don't you??

Anyway: You posted the racist policy of a racist party and state that you agree with it - so how can you then clearly state that you are not a racist?

Why bother going blue in the face - why not simply come clean: you know it makes sense?

How is that proof that I am a racist, I did not say anyone was inferior. I simply asked why ILLEGAL immigrants should be jailed in our country when they could be in a jail in the country they come from. Notice the word I have put in bold, illegal. They should not even be in the country to start with.

[PeeJay]

How is that proof that I am a racist, I did not say anyone was inferior. I simply asked why ILLEGAL immigrants should be jailed in our country when they could be in a jail in the country they come from. Notice the word I have put in bold, illegal. They should not even be in the country to start with.

You posted the racist policy of a racist party and state that you agree with it ... so what part of this sentence do YOU NOT UNDERSTAND??

... why not make your point (to which you are fully entitled) without positively citing a racist party ?????

[hibsbollah]

You posted the racist policy of a racist party and state that you agree with it ... so what part of this sentence do YOU NOT UNDERSTAND??

... why not make your point (to which you are fully entitled) without positively citing a racist party ?????

The discussion you're having with superhibi is happening a lot I think. Whats happening in Britain these days is racism and racist thinking is becoming increasingly acceptable, but the word or label 'racist' is still seen as a terrible insult, one step up from 'paedophile' or politician'. Even on this board a few months ago someone was saying that the French are all arrogant, and then thought it was ridiculous when someone accused them of 'racism'. I think a lot of people live in denial of their own prejudices.

[PeeJay]

The discussion you're having with superhibi is happening a lot I think. Whats happening in Britain these days is racism and racist thinking is becoming increasingly acceptable, but the word or label 'racist' is still seen as a terrible insult, one step up from 'paedophile' or politician'. Even on this board a few months ago someone was saying that the French are all arrogant, and then thought it was ridiculous when someone accused them of 'racism'. I think a lot of people live in denial of their own prejudices.

Right - I think you've hit the nail on the head here! It's not just in Britain either, here in Germany people, too, are often similarly insulted, even though they spout the most obnoxious racist sentiments. Anyway, parties like the BNP/UKIP lap it up: they make maximum utilisation of such ill-considered standpoints.
Reminds me somewhat of the perennial favourite: "I've nothing against foreigners, BUT ...":cool2:

[RyeSloan]

no2eu as LH says, set up by Bob Crow and the RMT i believe.http://no2eu.com/

Ahh just what we need, not. :rolleyes: