Labour's answer to recession-hit Britain

[hibiedude]

FOREIGN Secretary David Miliband is to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds on a private jet to whisk him around the world.

As recession-hit Britain struggles under the weight of historic debt, Mr Miliband plans to travel in FIVE-STAR LUXURY rather than take scheduled flights. It means flying him to the US and back just once could cost £250,000

A spokesman, defending the extravagant move, complained: "Unlike other countries, we don't have a Foreign Office plane."

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/288042/FOREIGN-Secretary-David-Miliband-is-to-waste-hundreds-of-thousands-of-pounds-on-a-private-jet.html

Not my words but a great reply all the same

Scary.............he's a possible contender for the leadership of this country.............................. another career politician with no idea of what accountability really means............................ but hey Milliband.................WE do................ and we will exercise our right to boot you, and the rest of you money guzzling cronies, OUT at the next opportunity.

[Phil D. Rolls]

FOREIGN Secretary David Miliband is to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds on a private jet to whisk him around the world.

As recession-hit Britain struggles under the weight of historic debt, Mr Miliband plans to travel in FIVE-STAR LUXURY rather than take scheduled flights. It means flying him to the US and back just once could cost £250,000

A spokesman, defending the extravagant move, complained: "Unlike other countries, we don't have a Foreign Office plane."

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/288042/FOREIGN-Secretary-David-Miliband-is-to-waste-hundreds-of-thousands-of-pounds-on-a-private-jet.html

Not my words but a great reply all the same

Scary.............he's a possible contender for the leadership of this country.............................. another career politician with no idea of what accountability really means............................ but hey Milliband.................WE do................ and we will exercise our right to boot you, and the rest of you money guzzling cronies, OUT at the next opportunity.

First, the man is a f*nny, regardless of how he travels. However, what is he meant to do, ask other world leaders to schedule meetings so he can get the best deals from easyjet and lastminute.com, for flights and hotels?

"Very concerned about the escalation in hostilites in Afghanistan myself Mr Obama, could we get together in October because I'll get more Air Miles if we can do it then".

Not going to happen is it?

[Pretty Boy]

I'm sure i read in a slightly less reactionary paper that in time this arrangement will actually save money. Still let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[RyeSloan]

This is a bit like the freak out the papers had when Tony Blair had tha audacity to go on holiday and not pay for his accomodation....the fact that a fellow European leader had offered him the accomodation or that millions of 'normal' citzens go on holiday to family and friends residences without costs had nothing to do with it just some mis-placed moral outrage.

I find it frankly bizzare that people would expect a FOREIGN secretary of the British Government to take scheduled flights everywhere. I have enough troubles when setting up meetings involving senior figures in my own work and they all work in the same building, god knows what it must be like arranging these types of visits....I would have thought private travel an essential function rather than an extravagant over spend and that's before taking any security issues into account!

[hibsbollah]

Non-story. He's a world statesman, what is he meant to do, wait in the queues at Heathrow? What does the NOTW think his opposite number, Hilary Clinton, does? :confused:

[steakbake]

Non-story. He's a world statesman, what is he meant to do, wait in the queues at Heathrow? What does the NOTW think his opposite number, Hilary Clinton, does? :confused:

I agree. He needs something to get him around now that the RAF can't do it.

What riled people a bit though, was that the specifications were exact that it had to be a first class level of service etc.

Perhaps during these times, they should be going with something a bit more functional.

I'd rather the foreign minister was able to jet around the world doing his job than sitting in a departure lounge.

[hibiedude]

I think you missed the point Labour loves to spend tax payers money in the name of the duties there supposed to carry out and this again reeks of this government's attitude when it comes to tightening there belts in these difficult times, I also read this story in the more serious papers on Sunday and all agree that this is typical of Browns reign as Prime Minister. Adam Bolting from skynews says the reason countries like America have there own flights is down to terrorists threats. He also says the reason we don't have a Foreign Office plane is because it's not needed."

[Phil D. Rolls]

I think you missed the point Labour loves to spend tax payers money in the name of the duties there supposed to carry out and this again reeks of this government's attitude when it comes to tightening there belts in these difficult times, I also read this story in the more serious papers on Sunday and all agree that this is typical of Browns reign as Prime Minister. Adam Bolting from skynews says the reason countries like America have there own flights is down to terrorists threats. He also says the reason we don't have a Foreign Office plane is because it's not needed."

I'm glad the papers agree on this, because they are rarely wrong. Anyway most of them are biased against Labour, and Sky News definitely are.

Is it possible that the FO don't make enough flights a year to buy a plane, and that Milliband's only option is to charter a plane for the times he needs to get somewhere in a hurry.

I don't think it's just Labour that likes to spend our money. Thatcher spent a fortune on unemployment benefits to keep inflation down. What other things do Labour spend our money on?

[hibsbollah]

I think you missed the point Labour loves to spend tax payers money in the name of the duties there supposed to carry out and this again reeks of this government's attitude when it comes to tightening there belts in these difficult times, I also read this story in the more serious papers on Sunday and all agree that this is typical of Browns reign as Prime Minister. Adam Bolting from skynews says the reason countries like America have there own flights is down to terrorists threats. He also says the reason we don't have a Foreign Office plane is because it's not needed."

Do you think there has ever been an administration in history that didnt send it's senior statesmen around in a degree of luxury? When work used to send me abroad I had to travel standard class, but to be fair I wasnt representing the British Govt in diplpomatic matters and I wasnt expected to be on TV all day long. Hilary Clinton travels Air Force One because all US Govt reps travel on it since Teddy Roosevelt during WW1, so when Adam Bolting is explaining it away about recent terrorist threats being the reason, he's clearly talking out of his hole:greengrin

[Hibee-Bongo]

Adam Bolting from skynews says the reason countries like America have there own flights is down to terrorists threats.[/B] He also says the reason we don't have a Foreign Office plane is because it's not needed."

You for real? Amazing that people watch and believe what skynews says?!

[Dashing Bob S]

FOREIGN Secretary David Miliband is to waste hundreds of thousands of pounds on a private jet to whisk him around the world.

As recession-hit Britain struggles under the weight of historic debt, Mr Miliband plans to travel in FIVE-STAR LUXURY rather than take scheduled flights. It means flying him to the US and back just once could cost £250,000

A spokesman, defending the extravagant move, complained: "Unlike other countries, we don't have a Foreign Office plane."

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/288042/FOREIGN-Secretary-David-Miliband-is-to-waste-hundreds-of-thousands-of-pounds-on-a-private-jet.html

Not my words but a great reply all the same

Scary.............he's a possible contender for the leadership of this country.............................. another career politician with no idea of what accountability really means............................ but hey Milliband.................WE do................ and we will exercise our right to boot you, and the rest of you money guzzling cronies, OUT at the next opportunity.

Fantastic post. It's convinced me that I have to vote Conservative so i'll save loads of money on Foreign Office planes and become very rich.

There was me thinking we'd been suckered into a world financial crisis due to a culture of greed, acquistiveness, lack of democratic accountability for global financial decision making.

Thank goodness it's all as simple as spending money on planes for a Foreign Secretary to travel to other countries. Well, I'm convinced, and I'm looking forward to seeing the next Tory Foreign minister travelling abroad by cross channel ferry and bus pass.

[hibiedude]

You for real? Amazing that people watch and believe what skynews says?!

Is that the best answer you can come up with :faf: :faf::faf:

please explain how you get your news and from what source

Skynews is the leading news channel in the world so where else does one get there information from what's happening around the world.

Its amazing how often some members start a reply with a personal attack, :yawn:

Have we moved on from the Thatcher years,

Dashing Bob yet again you take the Sarcastic route, over the last couple off years labour have dug one hole after another, everytime a labour MP comes on the TV the tories lead gets bigger and bigger now why do you think that is?

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He's the Foreign Secretary. He has to travel abroad. If private companies have company jets, I don't see the problem with the British Government having one.

But if I were Milliband, and knowing Uncle Gordy's addiction to POWER, I'd have mu=y own security guys checking that plane every time I went on it.

Just in case Gordy had had some new electronics fitted.... Tick-tock-boom! :devil:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Is that the best answer you can come up with :faf: :faf::faf:

please explain how you get your news and from what source

Skynews is the leading news channel in the world so where else does one get there information from what's happening around the world.

Its amazing how often some members start a reply with a personal attack, :yawn:

Have we moved on from the Thatcher years,

Dashing Bob yet again you take the Sarcastic route, over the last couple off years labour have dug one hole after another, everytime a labour MP comes on the TV the tories lead gets bigger and bigger now why do you think that is?

OMG, we've got a live one.

1. You reply to someone questioning your sources by saying that Sky News (prop. R. Murdoch) is one of the leading news organisations in the world. Maybe, however their impartiality and objectiveness have frequently been questioned, due to Murdoch manipulating governments to achieve his own ends. They aren't a very highly respected news agency.

2. Personal attacks are part and parcel of the banter. You have to take that if you're on the board. No one has called you a snivelling Tory apologist, which would really be out of order without evidence.

3. What do you mean have we moved on from the Thatcher years? The reason for citing Thatcher was to show that all governments waste money.

4. Can't speak for DBS, but can I say you are using puerile arguments to make some sort of case, maybe people will take you more seriously if you can actually talk from a factual and historical perspective, rather than making bold statements that the Tory lead increases every time a Labour MP comes on.

[hibiedude]

He's the Foreign Secretary. He has to travel abroad. If private companies have company jets, I don't see the problem with the British Government having one.

But if I were Milliband, and knowing Uncle Gordy's addiction to POWER, I'd have mu=y own security guys checking that plane every time I went on it.

Just in case Gordy had had some new electronics fitted.... Tick-tock-boom! :devil:

Doddie there is a tick tock boom coming labours way' it's called a General Election and know one will celebrate more than me when this lot off parasites get kicked out off office.

Mind you that's coming from a snivelling Tory apologist :greengrin :thumbsup:

[Hibee-Bongo]

Is that the best answer you can come up with :faf: :faf::faf:

please explain how you get your news and from what source

Skynews is the leading news channel in the world so where else does one get there information from what's happening around the world.

Its amazing how often some members start a reply with a personal attack, :yawn:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RRmE0_n0K4
An example of the pish rolling news, especially Sky News, comes out with. It's just there to traffic bullsh*t fear, and to be honest the only news I reckon is the most realible, not all the time mind you, is the Channel 4 news.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Doddie there is a tick tock boom coming labours way' it's called a General Election and know one will celebrate more than me when this lot off parasites get kicked out off office.

Mind you that's coming from a snivelling Tory apologist :greengrin :thumbsup:

Is it not the case that when times are tough, people are more likely to stick with what they know, rather than change. They reckon that's why Major got re-elected.

[steakbake]

Is it not the case that when times are tough, people are more likely to stick with what they know, rather than change. They reckon that's why Major got re-elected.

If Labour win the next general election, I will take the now customary bath of beans.

[hibiedude]

There is not a hope in hell's chance of labour winning the next General Election so not sure why some people are saying different, every opinion poll i've seen gives the tories a massive lead and as each week passes the lead gets bigger :greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

There is not a hope in hell's chance of labour winning the next General Election so not sure why some people are saying different, every opinion poll i've seen gives the tories a massive lead and as each week passes the lead gets bigger :greengrin

Very similair situation to 1992, polls had Labour to win for about a year before. See how the Tories do after a proper campaign.

[hibiedude]

Brown won't be in office come the Election, so not sure were the challenge will come from :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Brown won't be in office come the Election, so not sure were the challenge will come from :greengrin


It will come from the memories of the last Tory government.

[steakbake]

It will come from the memories of the last Tory government.

That's a myth that Labour supporters cling to for reassurance.

It's funny that it has been turned on its head though. It wasn't that long ago that we thought that Labour wouldn't form a government because people remembered the last time they were in power (winter of discontent, bail out from the IMF).

If the questions over Gordon Brown's leadership and judgement continue for too much longer, I'd be very surprised if we have to wait till May 2010 for the general election. Brown looks like a dead man walking. By all accounts, he's also starting to lose the plot. In this scenario, Cameron will without any doubt, be PM by Christmas.

If Gordon Brown goes, there would be serious questions over the legitimacy of a new Prime Minister continuing in office without seeking a mandate from the country. Even though historical precedent suggests that an election isn't called each time the leader changes, I don't think that Labour could get away with another leader who hasn't been tested in the popular vote.

In the situation that Brown clings on until May 2010, do you seriously think that people (apart from some people up here who'd vote for a donkey with a red rosette) are going to give him another five years just because they might "remember" the last Tory government?

He must be kicking himself that he didn't go to the country when he took over. He would have won, with a reduced majority but he would have at least had 4/5 years to be PM. Instead, he bottled it and since then, everything he's touched has turned to ****.

[hibiedude]

Local and Europian Eections next month follwed by the full report of ALL MP expenses will be a step to far' like Thatacher the plotters within his own party will be his downfall. The Tory MPs have already booked the removal vans for Labour it's ony a matter of time. :wink:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Local and Europian Eections next month follwed by the full report of ALL MP expenses will be a step to far' like Thatacher the plotters within his own party will be his downfall. The Tory MPs have already booked the removal vans for Labour it's ony a matter of time. :wink:

Two Questions
1. Do you have anything of substance to say on this subject?

2. When was the first time you voted?

[hibiedude]

Two Questions
1. Do you have anything of substance to say on this subject?

2. When was the first time you voted?

i'M 48 YEARS OLD SO NOT SURE WHAT AGE I FIRST VOTED :confused:

As for me having anything of substance to say :confused:, why will you be the judge on that ?

Listen mate please go and annoy someone else I’m busy :bye:

[Phil D. Rolls]

i'M 48 YEARS OLD SO NOT SURE WHAT AGE I FIRST VOTED :confused:

As for me having anything of substance to say :confused:, why will you be the judge on that ?

Listen mate please go and annoy someone else I’m busy :bye:

I asked what age you were, because I thought you might have been a naive kid, but you seem to be a naive 48 year old.

If we're not allowed to judge the substance of what you are saying, how are we meant to know how to reply to it? So far, you've come on here and made a series of sweeping generalisations, which may or may not been based on something other than your own reactions to events.

You've been given a fair chance to show that you know what you're talking about, and it seems you don't really. So I suppose as a contributor to the board I'm entitled to my opinion.

The fact is, you've come on here, and shown that you can't really take part in a debate, because you don't know what you're talking about. You've been shot down in flames about the Milliband issue, and any challenge since has been sidestepped by you.

Sorry I'm annoying you, but I thought you wanted to take part in a discussion. The great thing about these text based discussions is that you don't have to reply until you're ready, so the only person who has used up your time is, er, you. :confused:

ps If this is something to do with work for an art school degree show, can I come to the showing?

[hibiedude]

I asked what age you were, because I thought you might have been a naive kid, but you seem to be a naive 48 year old.

If we're not allowed to judge the substance of what you are saying, how are we meant to know how to reply to it? So far, you've come on here and made a series of sweeping generalisations, which may or may not been based on something other than your own reactions to events.

You've been given a fair chance to show that you know what you're talking about, and it seems you don't really. So I suppose as a contributor to the board I'm entitled to my opinion.

The fact is, you've come on here, and shown that you can't really take part in a debate, because you don't know what you're talking about. You've been shot down in flames about the Milliband issue, and any challenge since has been sidestepped by you.

Sorry I'm annoying you, but I thought you wanted to take part in a discussion. The great thing about these text based discussions is that you don't have to reply until you're ready, so the only person who has used up your time is, er, you. :confused:

ps If this is something to do with work for an art school degree show, can I come to the showing?

who made you the judge, the one thing that has been made clear in this topic is that your clearly a first rate mass-debater :greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

who made you the judge, the one thing that has been made clear in this topic is that your clearly a first rate mass-debater :greengrin

I'm entitled to my opinion. No need to be crude.

[LiverpoolHibs]

who made you the judge, the one thing that has been made clear in this topic is that your clearly a first rate mass-debater :greengrin

48 years old you say? How odd.

[bawheid]

It's very easy to sit on the opposition benches and point out the various disasters which have befallen the country and the government. It's not so easy to put forward a coherent argument as to what you would have done differently.

The Tories are getting a ridiculously easy ride from the media, including the BBC. I struggle to think of one single original policy Dave and his posh cronies have come up with.

PMQs today was a prime example. They're going after Gordon Brown and the press are right behind them. Not one single policy point this afternoon.

I'm no Labour voter, but if it was a choice between them and a Cameron/Osbourne combo? Sheesh, it doesn't bear thinking about. If you think Brown is out of touch with people in Britain today, just wait til our Dave gets into power.

I can only pray Murdoch and his colleagues think to press the Tories on what they would do differently before a general election, or things may get much, much worse. Particularly for Scotland, Wales and the north of England.

[Phil D. Rolls]

It's very easy to sit on the opposition benches and point out the various disasters which have befallen the country and the government. It's not so easy to put forward a coherent argument as to what you would have done differently.

The Tories are getting a ridiculously easy ride from the media, including the BBC. I struggle to think of one single original policy Dave and his posh cronies have come up with.

PMQs today was a prime example. They're going after Gordon Brown and the press are right behind them. Not one single policy point this afternoon.

I'm no Labour voter, but if it was a choice between them and a Cameron/Osbourne combo? Sheesh, it doesn't bear thinking about. If you think Brown is out of touch with people in Britain today, just wait til our Dave gets into power.

I can only pray Murdoch and his colleagues think to press the Tories on what they would do differently before a general election, or things may get much, much worse. Particularly for Scotland, Wales and the north of England.

Things may be poor for Brown and Labour just now, but you'd think that being the party in power they can set the agenda for the election. Cameron is nothing more than a populist, and as a Tory I deeply suspect his lack of commitment to real policies.

That said, Brown and co. couldn't organise the proverbial, so watch this space.

[RyeSloan]

who made you the judge, the one thing that has been made clear in this topic is that your clearly a first rate mass-debater :greengrin

Pot Kettle Black

You start a thread based on nothing but political leanings and then instead of trying to support your OP used it simply to further your own narrow agenda with lots of posts but little substance.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Pot Kettle Black

You start a thread based on nothing but political leanings and then instead of trying to support your OP used it simply to further your own narrow agenda with lots of posts but little substance.

:agree:Not for the first time either. There has been a long series of threads painting a black picture of Labour, which isn't hard admittedly, but no attempt to justify the opinion, or to enter into meaningful debate. Instead a series of raspberries and childishness whenever he is questioned.

[CropleyWasGod]

:agree:Not for the first time either. There has been a long series of threads painting a black picture of Labour, which isn't hard admittedly, but no attempt to justify the opinion, or to enter into meaningful debate. Instead a series of raspberries and childishness whenever he is questioned.

Enough of David Cameron, though....

[hibsbollah]

48 years old you say? How odd.

:faf: