Anyone been to Mexico recently?

[Jack]

Gonna no come near me!

[Allant1981]

Gonna no come near me!


Why not?

[Cool_Hand_Luke]

Why not?

Swine flu :agree:

[SRHibs]

3 Day incubation period.
The amount of people that have gone back to their countrys carrying it will be enormous.

[Allant1981]

just read about in on the bbc web site, seems like America has had some cases of it there also

[Woody1985]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8019544.stm

[danhibees1875]

No, but im going in June. :paranoid:


:greengrin

[Mixu62]

just read about in on the bbc web site, seems like America has had some cases of it there also

10 (and counting) suspected cases in NZ too.

[Hibbyradge]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/UKNews1/idUKTRE53N3DR20090427

[Steve-O]

Mass hysteria has kicked in, I love it :greengrin

[IWasThere2016]

Mass hysteria has kicked in, I love it :greengrin

You're next! :devil:

[Steve-O]

You're next! :devil:

http://www.facebook.com/groups.php?id=607705435&gv=2#/group.php?gid=93047516531&ref=mf :agree:

[IWasThere2016]

See pics here .. its just Livi on a Saturday! (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Mexico-Swine-Flu-Virus-Outbreak-Question-And-Answer/Article/200904415269473?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15269473_Mexico_Swine_Flu_Virus_Outbre ak%3A_Question_And_Answer) :greengrin

[greenlex]

Does this mean I have to stay indoors all week and not do nightshift? Please please let it be so. :greengrin

[blaikie]

All kicking off in Mexico city. Earthquake today as well ...
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Mexico-Earthquake-Mexico-City-Is-Rocked-By-Earthquake-Sending-Office-Workers-Spilling-Onto-Streets/Article/200904415270304?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header _2&lid=ARTICLE_15270304_Mexico_Earthquake%3A_Mexico_C ity_Is_Rocked_By_Earthquake_Sending_Office_Workers _Spilling_Onto_Streets

[Dashing Bob S]

Now there are cases in Airdrie, surprise, surprise.

Section B, no doubt.

[Ed De Gramo]

Airdrie was full of swines long before the flu arrived :cool2:

[oconnors_strip]

my mate works in a pharmacy in edinburgh and she had customers coming in today asking if they sell masks to prevent catching the swine flu. :greengrin

[Riordans Boots]

Airdrie was full of swines long before the flu arrived :cool2:


:faf: :top marks

[ArabHibee]

One of the 2 from Airdrie have been released from hospital and was seen driving home. On the 10 o'clock news.

http://weeklyworldnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/werepig.jpg?w=375&h=200 (http://weeklyworldnews.com/mutants/7913/swine-flu-comes-to-america/)

[blaikie]

One of the 2 from Airdrie have been released from hospital and was seen driving home. On the 10 o'clock news.

http://weeklyworldnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/werepig.jpg?w=375&h=200 (http://weeklyworldnews.com/mutants/7913/swine-flu-comes-to-america/)
:faf::top marks

[Chuckie]

The first muslim to get it is going to have a few questions to answer...

[Hibby D]

The first muslim to get it is going to have a few questions to answer...


What do you mean?

[Cool_Hand_Luke]

What do you mean?

Possibly due to muslims being forbidden from eating pigs :dunno:

[Mo!]

:worried::panic:

[Woody1985]

I think the home office have said that people shouldn't go to Mexico unless absolutely necessary.

I'm not saying people should panic but it's certainly more serious than people think.

How easy is it to spread the flu? You go into work one day with the cold / flu and half the people in your vicinity have it within a week or two.

If you think about 2 people on a plane who catch it in Mexico / wherever. They share a plane with 150/300 people. The same air in the aircraft is ciculated around the craft. Another say 50 people catch it and so on and so on. It's not long before it spirals out of control.

One of the main risks to humanity IMO is our ability to move around the planet quickly and spead disease pretty easily due to that.

[Wembley67]

I wonder how many folk have died in the last few days worldwide of the actual standard flu :confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

Possibly due to muslims being forbidden from eating pigs :dunno:

Apparently, you can't get it from pork.

However, porking a pig is a different matter...

[Woody1985]

I wonder how many folk have died in the last few days worldwide of the actual standard flu :confused:

I think if you're trying to compare the normal flu to this it can't be done. People build up natural resistances to certain strains of disease etc over generations and lifestyle.

When something evolves such as this strain then it could kill alot more people than normal flu.

[Wembley67]

I think if you're trying to compare the normal flu to this it can't be done. People build up natural resistances to certain strains of disease etc over generations and lifestyle.

When something evolves such as this strain then it could kill alot more people than normal flu.

I was always under the impression that strains of colds are always changing therefore no cure can be found.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Help help the sky is falling! (said Chicken Little)

[CropleyWasGod]

Help help the sky is falling! (said Chicken Little)

Just what i was thinking, FR.

Airdrie couple go on holiday to Mexico. Lots of people get ill.

I am no epidemiologist, but...............

[bawheid]

Help help the sky is falling! (said Chicken Little)

Just after we've all recovered from SARS, bird flu and the millennium bug too.

[ArabHibee]

Apparently if you have to sneeze, you should sneeze into the inside of your elbow instead of sneezing into your hands.

:dunno:

[Jack]

If, as has happened in Mexico the flu is allowed to run unchecked, or run unchecked for too long, then the authorities, as they have done in Mexico, will close public places meaning football matches behind closed doors, public transport off the road, even shut the bars and things like that.

Forget the deaths [for a moment*], such a scenario could have absenteeism rates from work running in excess of 50% over a 9+ week period (33+% off with the actual flu, mothers, carers and the like off work looking after sick relatives or kids at home because the schools are shut).

So you could have over half the population looking to the NHS for help and more than half the NHS off sick! Just as well they're prepared, ourselves and France being the best prepared in the world according to W.H.O. Add to that the economic impact, in an already shaky economy, it could all become extremely serious.

Better to go hell for leather attempting to restrict the spread of the disease, even if it looks as though it’s a bit over the top and costing too much, rather than try and cope with the aftermath ... assuming there is one. :greengrin


*:boo hoo:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Just what i was thinking, FR.

Airdrie couple go on holiday to Mexico. Lots of people get ill.

I am no epidemiologist, but...............

...neither is that guy Pennigton who they trot out every time there is a health scare. I laughed when I saw him introduced as a bacteriologist and then have the affront to comment on the liklihood of a virus spreading.

[Cod Boy]

due to swine flu outbreak all piggeries are to close hearts have asked the sfa if they can play there home games at livingston

[Phil D. Rolls]

due to swine flu outbreak all piggeries are to close hearts have asked the sfa if they can play there home games at livingston

ker-toosh!

[Woody1985]

I was always under the impression that strains of colds are always changing therefore no cure can be found.

That's correct.

But are you so ignorant that you won't even acknowledge that there is a chance of this becoming a pandemic?

This is a new strain that the human body hasn't built up much of a resistance to and apparently kills healthy people inside two weeks i.e not just over 65s etc who are vulnerable.

If it mutates and develops who knows if the current vacines we have at the moment will still work. If they didn't then we'd be at the mercy of a virus and people's ignorance.

I'm not overly concerned and probably won't even think about it until the next time I see the news or whatever but to dismiss it as the same as the common cold is just silly IMO.

[Wembley67]

That's correct.

But are you so ignorant that you won't even acknowledge that there is a chance of this becoming a pandemic?

This is a new strain that the human body hasn't built up much of a resistance to and apparently kills healthy people inside two weeks i.e not just over 65s etc who are vulnerable.

If it mutates and develops who knows if the current vacines we have at the moment will still work. If they didn't then we'd be at the mercy of a virus and people's ignorance.

I'm not overly concerned and probably won't even think about it until the next time I see the news or whatever but to dismiss it as the same as the common cold is just silly IMO.

Totally misread what you said and thought you were calling me ignorant ya kock!

I agree with you 100% in what you say so :greengrin

[Woody1985]

Totally misread what you said and thought you were calling me ignorant ya kock!

I agree with you 100% in what you say so :greengrin

I was! Based on what you were saying as it seemed you were dismissing this as being the same as the common cold/flu! If you were then under the impression I wasn't why'd you call me a cock? :LOL:

P.S I don't really care. I generally can be a bit of a cock! :greengrin

[fife hfc]

158 deaths in a population of over 100 million is hardly something to start ****ting it at. outside mexico no deaths have so far occured and the symptoms have been mild so no need to panic yet. slow news week allows the news networks to **** objective reporting and just create hysteria.

It may well become a pandemic and cause thousands of deaths but at the moment the panic in the media appears ott. The airdrie two were described as victims as if they were dead and not recovering in hospital well.

[oconnors_strip]

158 deaths in a population of over 100 million is hardly something to start ****ting it at. outside mexico no deaths have so far occured and the symptoms have been mild so no need to panic yet. slow news week allows the news networks to **** objective reporting and just create hysteria.

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im sure there are a lot more people who have died of this flu in mexico and around the world who live in the middle of nowhere and dont have access to doctors/hospitals.

[Hibernian Verse]

For those who are concerned...as of an hour ago there are 23 suspected cases in Glasgow, 2 in Airdrie which have been in the news, 8 in Wales, 2 in Derby and 7 in Wiltshire.

The virus can be tracked Here (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&source=embed&msa=0&msid=109496610648025582911.0004686892fbefe515012&ll=53.14677,0.878906&spn=10.248613,19.775391&z=6) Google Maps is a wonderful thing.

[Sir David Gray]

158 deaths in a population of over 100 million is hardly something to start ****ting it at. outside mexico no deaths have so far occured and the symptoms have been mild so no need to panic yet. slow news week allows the news networks to **** objective reporting and just create hysteria.

It may well become a pandemic and cause thousands of deaths but at the moment the panic in the media appears ott. The airdrie two were described as victims as if they were dead and not recovering in hospital well.

:agree: The reaction by the media and the authorities has been extremely over the top. It is alarming people unnecessarily.

So far, the only country where death has occurred due to swine flu, has been Mexico. In fact, in every other country where there have been confirmed cases, the people with the virus have displayed mild symptoms.

I heard tonight on the news that 3-4,000 people in the UK alone, die every single year from the "normal" flu. There have been less than 200 deaths worldwide, from this particular strain.

That's not to say that it won't get worse in the future, maybe it will. But why worry people just now, about something that is not even close to being a huge problem?

At the end of the day, if you are meant to get it, you will get it and there's not an awful lot you can do about it.

It is a bit of a concern that the only confirmed cases, so far in the UK, have been in two people from Falkirk, though. :worried:

[SRHibs]

Here's an interesting vid.
Possibly why the WHO and media are getting so worked up about it.

http://www.wpxi.com/video/19313969/index.html

[Hibrandenburg]

:agree: The reaction by the media and the authorities has been extremely over the top. It is alarming people unnecessarily.

So far, the only country where death has occurred due to swine flu, has been Mexico. In fact, in every other country where there have been confirmed cases, the people with the virus have displayed mild symptoms.

I heard tonight on the news that 3-4,000 people in the UK alone, die every single year from the "normal" flu. There have been less than 200 deaths worldwide, from this particular strain.

That's not to say that it won't get worse in the future, maybe it will. But why worry people just now, about something that is not even close to being a huge problem?

At the end of the day, if you are meant to get it, you will get it and there's not an awful lot you can do about it.

It is a bit of a concern that the only confirmed cases, so far in the UK, have been in two people from Falkirk, though. :worried:

OTT?

Last time this happened in 1918 it was the cause of more deaths than WW1.
Could it be a form of Karma, South America infecting the world with a deadly flu virus?

[Betty Boop]

"The Last Great Swine Flu Epidemic" http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22506.htm

[Woody1985]

:agree: The reaction by the media and the authorities has been extremely over the top. It is alarming people unnecessarily.

So far, the only country where death has occurred due to swine flu, has been Mexico. In fact, in every other country where there have been confirmed cases, the people with the virus have displayed mild symptoms.

I heard tonight on the news that 3-4,000 people in the UK alone, die every single year from the "normal" flu. There have been less than 200 deaths worldwide, from this particular strain.

That's not to say that it won't get worse in the future, maybe it will. But why worry people just now, about something that is not even close to being a huge problem?

At the end of the day, if you are meant to get it, you will get it and there's not an awful lot you can do about it.

It is a bit of a concern that the only confirmed cases, so far in the UK, have been in two people from Falkirk, though. :worried:

I'm of the opinion that if they make a large reaction to it that it means people will be more vigilant. If no one knows about it and it's on the news for 30 seconds... Some people die of flu.... no one cares, goes to MC, interact with people who have been recently etc.

If it can be stopped early by mass histeria then good. Again, it's one of these things, it may annoy you on the news for a few weeks but so what, if it contributes to peoples vigilance then so what (not saying you FH, was just using your quote re media).

Re normal flu, there may be 3-4000 people die in the UK every year but no ones seems to appreciate that the human body has built up natural resistance to normal flu strains and it's mostly elderly people that die from it. The people who have died in this instance are mostly 20-40. Probably the strongest immune wise (I guess).

[Sir David Gray]

OTT?

Last time this happened in 1918 it was the cause of more deaths than WW1.
Could it be a form of Karma, South America infecting the world with a deadly flu virus?

I think if it's going to be as bad as the 1918 outbreak, there isn't an awful lot that we can do.

People travel around, so short of banning people from leaving their houses, it is inevitable that it will be passed from person to person.

This virus just has to run its course. I'm comfortable that the authorities are doing what they can to prevent anyone else in the UK, from being infected.

There's still no sign that anyone outside of Mexico (apart from the toddler who died in the US) has anything worse than mild flu symptoms. In fact, I heard a news report earlier that was saying that a woman who has it, has told reporters that she's had the "normal" flu twice before and she felt worse on both those occasions than she does with this current strain.


I'm of the opinion that if they make a large reaction to it that it means people will be more vigilant. If no one knows about it and it's on the news for 30 seconds... Some people die of flu.... no one cares, goes to MC, interact with people who have been recently etc.

If it can be stopped early by mass histeria then good. Again, it's one of these things, it may annoy you on the news for a few weeks but so what, if it contributes to peoples vigilance then so what (not saying you FH, was just using your quote re media).

Re normal flu, there may be 3-4000 people die in the UK every year but no ones seems to appreciate that the human body has built up natural resistance to normal flu strains and it's mostly elderly people that die from it. The people who have died in this instance are mostly 20-40. Probably the strongest immune wise (I guess).

I'm not suggesting that it shouldn't be on the news, as it's clearly a big story. I just think the way it has been reported is alarming people unnecessarily.

If you feel unwell, go to your doctor or the nearest hospital. It's what people have always done. If you have swine flu then they have anti-viral drugs available that seem to have been quite successful so far, in treating those with the disease.

The advice should be, don't visit Mexico for the forseeable future and if you have recently returned from there and you feel unwell, get checked out and until your results come back, put yourself in quarantine.

It's surely not rocket science.

[hibsbollah]

Another issue about the media reaction is that since Stephen King's 'The Stand'; there have been hundreds of apocalyptic vision-type novels written and films made about this very eventuality. There's therefore a lot of willing and eager paranoid people ready to be worried about it, and the media knows this.

[Jack]

I think if it's going to be as bad as the 1918 outbreak, there isn't an awful lot that we can do.
# Things have moved since 1918. Tamiflu will not cure the flu but it will reduce effects of it and therefore reduce the chances of getting pneumonia which was the main killer. Pneumonia is a much more treatable disease now too. BTW there were pandemics in 1956 (???) when 5 million died and another about 20 years ago when 1 million died.

People travel around, so short of banning people from leaving their houses, it is inevitable that it will be passed from person to person.

This virus just has to run its course. I'm comfortable that the authorities are doing what they can to prevent anyone else in the UK, from being infected.
# For the reasons you gave in the pervious paragraph many more in the UK will be infected, the role of the authorities is to be prepared and therefore lessen the impact; health wise, socially and economically.

There's still no sign that anyone outside of Mexico (apart from the toddler who died in the US) has anything worse than mild flu symptoms. In fact, I heard a news report earlier that was saying that a woman who has it, has told reporters that she's had the "normal" flu twice before and she felt worse on both those occasions than she does with this current strain.
# It will effect people differently.

I'm not suggesting that it shouldn't be on the news, as it's clearly a big story. I just think the way it has been reported is alarming people unnecessarily.
# No it is alarming because unless as many people are on the ball the impact health wise, socially and economically could be close to a disaster. Take for example the game tomorrow. If 1 person had it and sneezed at the kick off within 5 minutes 150 could be infected, they are immediately carriers. Well before half time everyone in the ground could become infected. Very unlikely at this stage but that’s how quickly it could happen.

If you feel unwell, go to your doctor or the nearest hospital. It's what people have always done. If you have swine flu then they have anti-viral drugs available that seem to have been quite successful so far, in treating those with the disease.
# DO NOT GO TO YOUR GP. DO NOT GO TO HOSPITAL. DO NOT LEAVE YOUR HOUSE. That will spread it. Phone these people instead. Please.

The advice should be, don't visit Mexico for the forseeable future and if you have recently returned from there and you feel unwell, get checked out and until your results come back, put yourself in quarantine.

It's surely not rocket science.
:agree:

[Woody1985]

I think if it's going to be as bad as the 1918 outbreak, there isn't an awful lot that we can do.

People travel around, so short of banning people from leaving their houses, it is inevitable that it will be passed from person to person.

This virus just has to run its course. I'm comfortable that the authorities are doing what they can to prevent anyone else in the UK, from being infected.

There's still no sign that anyone outside of Mexico (apart from the toddler who died in the US) has anything worse than mild flu symptoms. In fact, I heard a news report earlier that was saying that a woman who has it, has told reporters that she's had the "normal" flu twice before and she felt worse on both those occasions than she does with this current strain.

I'm not suggesting that it shouldn't be on the news, as it's clearly a big story. I just think the way it has been reported is alarming people unnecessarily.

If you feel unwell, go to your doctor or the nearest hospital. It's what people have always done. If you have swine flu then they have anti-viral drugs available that seem to have been quite successful so far, in treating those with the disease.

The advice should be, don't visit Mexico for the forseeable future and if you have recently returned from there and you feel unwell, get checked out and until your results come back, put yourself in quarantine.

It's surely not rocket science.

The world has a much more developed transport infrastucture than it did 90 years ago which makes the threat of this even more dangerous. How many countries has it been seen in now? And that's only been around a month or two since the first case.

[steakbake]

I don't really know where to begin.

The media are very much culpable of stirring up any panic. The Daily Record's headline today is shameful "Plague Plane". No wonder they are almost bust.

If I get it, I get it. Too bad. It won't be nice by all accounts, but instead of bricking ourselves about dying (which is a natural consequence of being born anyway) we should get this into some kind of perspective. I also wish the media got their stats right. As of yesterday, there were 8 deaths in Mexico directly attributed to Influenza A. Not "potentially 136" or whatever it was.

Can people not just be unwell for a week or so anymore and get themselves better without it becoming the concern of the government?

Of course, there are the elderly and infirm and those with compromised immune systems who need additional observation and may need treatment.

We create the nanny state, it doesn't create itself.

[Jack]

I hear what you're saying blacksaltire however I would suggest it does become the concern of the government, nanny state or not, when there is the potential of illness / absenteeism rates of between 40% and 60%.

You being unwell is of no concern whatsoever as far as society is concerned, if you know what I mean, but if its you and 20+ million others that’s different. While its unlikely death rates will be anywhere near what has happened in the past that many folk unwell could well have a impact on the daily running of the country.

While the government is doing all it can to lessen that impact the warning is there for all businesses to plan and make alternative arrangements to keep schools open; to keep public transport moving; to keep supplies of everything we need coming; to keep life as we know it as normal as possible. Thankfully these businesses will be taking guidance from the government and the WHO rather than the papers which, as Hibbies, we know are full of ****.

BTW as an individual I hope you dont get unwell but will bring round the grapes if needed :greengrin

[steakbake]

BTW as an individual I hope you dont get unwell but will bring round the grapes if needed :greengrin

Cheers. Take it you want a week off work, too? I'll let you know!

I see what you are saying and agree with it.

I still think the panic is OTT.

[ancient hibee]

Atishooo.

[Woody1985]

Atishooo.

You swine!

[Coco Bryce]

Look on the bright side, the mass media paranoia has kept the boring recession stories out the news.

[ChooseLife]

They say you can only get it if you have been in contact with an infected pig...

that J**k Tw**dy must be sh*teing himself!

:duck: