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hibiedude
13-04-2009, 09:57 AM
One of two men charged with raping and attempting to murder a woman in the Dalry area of Edinburgh in February has died in jail.
Thomas Kryczyk, 26, had died on Sunday at Saughton Prison.
He was remanded in custody in February after an Australian woman was attacked in the Telfer subway.
Police and next of kin have been informed and a fatal accident inquiry will be held.
Mr Kryczyk was remanded in custody along with Michal Marchlewski, 20, when he appeared at Edinburgh Sheriff Court on 18 February.
The pair made no plea or declaration during the brief appearance.
The two accused were both understood to be Polish nationals.
Phil D. Rolls
13-04-2009, 12:11 PM
One of two men charged with raping and attempting to murder a woman in the Dalry area of Edinburgh in February has died in jail.
Thomas Kryczyk, 26, had died on Sunday at Saughton Prison.
He was remanded in custody in February after an Australian woman was attacked in the Telfer subway.
Police and next of kin have been informed and a fatal accident inquiry will be held.
Mr Kryczyk was remanded in custody along with Michal Marchlewski, 20, when he appeared at Edinburgh Sheriff Court on 18 February.
The pair made no plea or declaration during the brief appearance.
The two accused were both understood to be Polish nationals.
Sorry, what's your point here?
hibiedude
13-04-2009, 02:27 PM
Sorry, what's your point here?
No point it's all knowledge based, it's a follow up with the post off the attack when it happened and someone said they should be hung up.
Mind you innocent till proven guilty, or the fact he killed himself mite give the answer too that one.
On a personal note why is it some people like to to be sarcastic, if they didn't understand the post why reply in a daft manner. :bitchy:
Jonnyboy
13-04-2009, 02:35 PM
No point it's all knowledge based, it's a follow up with the post off the attack when it happened and someone said they should be hung up.
Mind you innocent till proven guilty, or the fact he killed himself mite give the answer too that one.
On a personal note why is it some people like to to be sarcastic, if they didn't understand the post why reply in a daft manner. :bitchy:
Not sure if asking what point you were trying to make is answering in a daft manner?
Not sure if asking what point you were trying to make is answering in a daft manner?I dont see anything wrong wi the OP tbh, not everyone buys a newspaper or read news online, i never knew about this either but will be interested to see how the case pans out now that one of them has passed..
hibiedude
13-04-2009, 02:40 PM
Not sure if asking what point you were trying to make is answering in a daft manner?
So your not sure then? :confused:
As the man said the sales of newspapers has dropped due to on-line papers, if someone picks up information that they haven't read or heard about is it not worth posting the details
Jonnyboy
13-04-2009, 02:43 PM
So your not sure then? :confused:
OK Mr Pedant :greengrin
Let me put it this way. You posted something and Filled Rolls asked what point you were trying to make because he mustn't have been able to determine that. You suggested him asking was somehow sarcastic. I don't agree and on that point I am 100% sure
:greengrin
PS What was your point?
Jonnyboy
13-04-2009, 02:45 PM
I dont see anything wrong wi the OP tbh, not everyone buys a newspaper or read news online, i never knew about this either but will be interested to see how the case pans out now that one of them has passed..
Neither do I Kenny but can only assume FR, like me, was puzzled as to why certain parts of the post were highlighted.
hibiedude
13-04-2009, 02:50 PM
Neither do I Kenny but can only assume FR, like me, was puzzled as to why certain parts of the post were highlighted.
Lets not get away from the original point guys information was past on, the bits highlighted were there names and when the guy died. :greengrin
Jonnyboy
13-04-2009, 02:54 PM
Lets not get away from the original point guys information was past on, the bits highlighted were there names and when the guy died. :greengrin
Fair do's
Maybe you should have said that instead of On a personal note why is it some people like to to be sarcastic, if they didn't understand the post why reply in a daft manner.
:greengrin
Neither do I Kenny but can only assume FR, like me, was puzzled as to why certain parts of the post were highlighted.It was only the names highlighted JC, but if that was what was puzzling FR then im sure he could have made his point a bit clearer...
Anyway, to the point of this thread, anyone know how long the lad is on remand or when the trial starts ..?
LiverpoolHibs
13-04-2009, 02:58 PM
Neither do I Kenny but can only assume FR, like me, was puzzled as to why certain parts of the post were highlighted.
To be fair, his emboldening is usually far more arbitrary than it was in the opening post on this thread.
Deary me - are we all bored today? :greengrin
As to the OP it will be interesting to see how this all pans out as HH said. It was an horrific crime and IF he was guilty the world is a slightly better place now IMO. Pity the victim didn't get a chance to see justice though.
Deary me - are we all bored today? :greengrin
As to the OP it will be interesting to see how this all pans out as HH said. It was an horrific crime and IF he was guilty the world is a slightly better place now IMO. Pity the victim didn't get a chance to see justice though.Just getting the claws sharpened for all the bitching thats may happen on the main forum should we lose tonight ...:greengrin
hibiedude
13-04-2009, 03:22 PM
Trial starts 2nd week August, it should be a lot quicker now there's only one of them left.
Just getting the claws sharpened for all the bitching thats may happen on the main forum should we lose tonight ...:greengrin
Do you think there would be a furore? I think we would all be big enough to take it on the chin :greengrin
Trial starts 2nd week August, it should be a lot quicker now there's only one of them left.
I wonder how he died and how the other one is feeling at present?
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13-04-2009, 03:33 PM
Trial starts 2nd week August, it should be a lot quicker now there's only one of them left.
No chance now for a cut-throat prosecution, though.
Charge A and B separately.
A says B did it.
B says A did it.
Pot 'em both. :devil:
Woody1985
13-04-2009, 04:16 PM
I wonder how he died and how the other one is feeling at present?
Probably lined up a story to say the other guy did it. :LOL:
It would be extremely unfortunate for the victim if it was these guys who did it but they were both admonished due to the death of one of them.
Probably lined up a story to say the other guy did it. :LOL:
It would be extremely unfortunate for the victim if it was these guys who did it but they were both admonished due to the death of one of them.:agree:
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13-04-2009, 04:38 PM
Probably lined up a story to say the other guy did it. :LOL:
It would be extremely unfortunate for the victim if it was these guys who did it but they were both admonished due to the death of one of them.
Erm - I don't think the guy who topped himself's too bothered, actually. :devil:
hibiedude
13-04-2009, 04:44 PM
I wonder how he died and how the other one is feeling at present?
BBC web-site saying he was found hanging from the bars off his window.
As for A blaming B I think the victim will have a major say about who did what.
BBC web-site saying he was found hanging from the bars off his window.
As for A blaming B I think the victim will have a major say about who did what.Or DNA ..
hibiedude
13-04-2009, 04:49 PM
Or DNA ..
Good point HH
Greentinted
13-04-2009, 07:57 PM
Is it just me or am I reading a distict lack of gravitas in this thread. From start to present, this is a woeful sequence of iniquity, depravity, crime and life-damning events. Hardly the source of flippancy and daft smiley graphics...
Toaods
13-04-2009, 09:38 PM
The Toaods pound says the other yin admits his guilt...:wink:
Jonnyboy
13-04-2009, 11:04 PM
Is it just me or am I reading a distict lack of gravitas in this thread. From start to present, this is a woeful sequence of iniquity, depravity, crime and life-damning events. Hardly the source of flippancy and daft smiley graphics...
Erm I beg to differ as I am not guilty of any of the charges you raise
Phil D. Rolls
14-04-2009, 11:12 AM
No point it's all knowledge based, it's a follow up with the post off the attack when it happened and someone said they should be hung up.
Mind you innocent till proven guilty, or the fact he killed himself mite give the answer too that one.
On a personal note why is it some people like to to be sarcastic, if they didn't understand the post why reply in a daft manner. :bitchy:
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I honestly wasn't sure how to respond to the information, but I thought you wanted to start a discussion. It was a straight question, and although sarcasm is my middle name, I don't think my question was that sarcastic.
Like you, I believe someone is innocent till they're proven guilty. I don't think his suicide necessarily establishes his guilt. People kill themselves for many reasons. Who knows, maybe he was being blackmailed by the other accused that he would spill the beans on some secret they shared, or maybe the bloke has suffered from depression for many years, and this accusation tipped him over the edge?
I don't know why he did it. I do know he wasn't convicted of anything, and much as we may feel sorry for the victim, nothing has been proved.
Maybe if you want to let us know what has been going on in the news, a link to a newspaper story would let us know you are passing on information, rather than giving an opinion?
Hibs Class
14-04-2009, 11:19 AM
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I honestly wasn't sure how to respond to the information, but I thought you wanted to start a discussion.
Like you, I believe someone is innocent till they're proven guilty. I don't think his suicide necessarily establishes his guilt. People kill themselves for many reasons.
Without wanting to be pedantic (but knowing I'll probably fail!) isn't someone only presumed innocent until proven guilty? i.e. if he did it then he was guilty from the minute he committed the crime. The suicide doesn't prove his guilt, but other means (e.g. DNA) may go some way towards strongly suggesting it.
Phil D. Rolls
14-04-2009, 11:21 AM
It was only the names highlighted JC, but if that was what was puzzling FR then im sure he could have made his point a bit clearer...
Anyway, to the point of this thread, anyone know how long the lad is on remand or when the trial starts ..?
Without wanting to be pedantic (but knowing I'll probably fail!) isn't someone only presumed innocent until proven guilty? i.e. if he did it then he was guilty from the minute he committed the crime. The suicide doesn't prove his guilt, but other means (e.g. DNA) may go some way towards strongly suggesting it.
A very fair point. I don't know how DNA alone would establish his guilt though, merely that he had sex with the accuser.
Hibs Class
14-04-2009, 11:32 AM
A very fair point. I don't know how DNA alone would establish his guilt though, merely that he had sex with the accuser.
I'm sure you are right. I am sure he could not be convicted of anything following his death, although the fact he had a co-accused who will presumably still be tried is an unusual element, in that much of the evidence against this bloke may also come up in the trial of the other, e.g. the victim may testify based on what allegedly took place involving two attackers, there may be DNA that points towards sex taking place involving both, and other medical evidence that points towards it being violent.
A very fair point. I don't know how DNA alone would establish his guilt though, merely that he had sex with the accuser.I just hope that whatever decision made is the correct one & the trial isnt littered with "technicalities" which we hear all too often of nowadays, it was a most horrifying & despicible assault on that young lass & i cant bring myself to think how she must have felt at the time perhaps not knowing if she was gonna live or die..
Bloody shame..
Phil D. Rolls
14-04-2009, 11:34 AM
I'm sure you are right. I am sure he could not be convicted of anything following his death, although the fact he had a co-accused who will presumably still be tried is an unusual element, in that much of the evidence against this bloke may also come up in the trial of the other, e.g. the victim may testify based on what allegedly took place involving two attackers, there may be DNA that points towards sex taking place involving both, and other medical evidence that points towards it being violent.
:agree:
Greentinted
14-04-2009, 01:35 PM
Erm I beg to differ as I am not guilty of any of the charges you raise
Sorry John, I was referring to the actual sequence of the situational events - i.e from the alleged rape to the suicide. I can see the ambiguity I unwittingly inferred.
Ritchie
14-04-2009, 02:01 PM
i know the girl who was attacked.
i hope he suffered & i hope the other follows.
Erm - I don't think the guy who topped himself's too bothered, actually. :devil:
...says he who believes in the afterlife!:greengrin
If he is guilty I hope he is truly suffering right now.
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15-04-2009, 10:37 AM
...says he who believes in the afterlife!:greengrin
If he is guilty I hope he is truly suffering right now.
The point in question was him being charged with the rape. I agree - iof he was guilty, being charged in a Scottish court's the least of his worries by now.
But if we're going to be serious (as oposed to unduly and probably inappropriately flippant) - I take no pleasure in the thought of where he may be and what he may be suffering.
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