View Full Version : Tam Paton - don't RIP
Steve-O
10-04-2009, 12:09 AM
Seems Tam Paton is deid and now Les McKeown is saying that he raped him back in the day! :bitchy:
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/article2370262.ece
Woody1985
10-04-2009, 08:48 AM
I've been told a story or two about him and he's a nasty beast.
RyeSloan
10-04-2009, 11:44 AM
Hear Hear.
Prayed on the vulnerable and peddled drugs for many years...how he managed to stay out of jail for dealing is beyond me when it was quite open and widely known.
Despite numerous raids and even a trial iirc where substntial quantities of drugs were captured in his home but yet still he was allowed to carry on his sad, sick little life in comfort.
Wont be missed.
hibiedude
10-04-2009, 11:49 AM
Les Mckeown is in the papers today claiming he was raped by this guy so I hope he dosen't R.I.P
Woody1985
10-04-2009, 12:15 PM
Les Mckeown is in the papers today claiming he was raped by this guy so I hope he dosen't R.I.P
He wasn't the only one from what I've been told.
H18sry
10-04-2009, 12:19 PM
So why wait until he has passed away before making these allegation's? Surely the man has the right to defend himself?
CropleyWasGod
10-04-2009, 12:34 PM
I saw the programme on which McKeown came out about his bisexuality and the rape. I have never had much time for the guy, but it was intense and emotional stuff; my heart did go out to him.
So why didn't he name Paton then? Fear of legal action? Or the knowledge that he would eventually get his chance to finally nail the guy when he was dead?
Paton seems to have been an evil swine, but I do find it more than a little disturbing that this stuff comes out when he cannot defend himself. It's a little bit like the Mercer/Thatcher stuff on here..... let those who loved him mourn him, let those who hated him (with good cause, not just rumour) do their thing, and the rest of us (including me) keep our own counsel.
Killiehibbie
10-04-2009, 12:35 PM
So why wait until he has passed away before making these allegation's? Surely the man has the right to defend himself?
There is no defending him he was a beast.
Hibs Class
10-04-2009, 12:38 PM
So why wait until he has passed away before making these allegation's? Surely the man has the right to defend himself?
I'm pretty sure I heard similar allegations from McKeown previously, around a year or two back.
Additionally, I'm not defending Paton in any shape or form, but a lot of people's views will have been coloured by the Evening News and, rightly or wrongly, they seem to have a pretty tawdry crusade against him for years, based on innuendo and gossip. The man is now dead, so best let him be.
H18sry
10-04-2009, 12:50 PM
There is no defending him he was a beast.
What FACTS do you base this statement
Woody1985
10-04-2009, 01:00 PM
So why wait until he has passed away before making these allegation's? Surely the man has the right to defend himself?
I've never read the EEN about him. Wouldn't waste my time
A friend of my mother said it happened to him by Paton when he was young. I suppose there are a lot of reasons he never came forward. Probably shame, addicted to being around someone famous, emotional attachment etc etc. I don't claim to know the ins and out so to speak, as that's his issue. He's dealt with it and moved on with his life. Albeit a little ****ed up.
Edit; I didn't even know who Paton was at that time.
H18sry
10-04-2009, 01:08 PM
I've never read the EEN about him. Wouldn't waste my time
A friend of my mother said it happened to him by Paton when he was young. I suppose there are a lot of reasons he never came forward. Probably shame, addicted to being around someone famous, emotional attachment etc etc. I don't claim to know the ins and out so to speak, as that's his issue. He's dealt with it and moved on with his life. Albeit a little ****ed up.
Edit; I didn't even know who Paton was at that time.
So it's less shame now because he is dead :confused:
Or did McKeown not have any evidence to substantiate his story :wink:
And now that he is dead he sells a story to the papers, when if Paton was alive and he pressed charges against him, and he was found guilty, he could have had a far bigger pay-day.
Woody1985
10-04-2009, 01:11 PM
So it's less shame now because he is dead :confused:
Or did McKeown not have any evidence to substantiate his story :wink:
And now that he is dead he sells a story to the papers, when if Paton was alive and he pressed charges against him, and he was found guilty, he could have had a far bigger pay-day.
Errrmmmmm. They guy in the paper isn't the guy I know. Apologies if that wasn't clear.....
This was also a few years back when I didn't know who Paton was and of course, before he died.
H18sry
10-04-2009, 01:11 PM
http://news.scotsman.com/baycityrollers/Former-Rollers-manager-Paton-cleared.3319561.jp
Killiehibbie
10-04-2009, 02:20 PM
What FACTS do you base this statement
Common knowledge since the 60's that Patons sexual preference was teenage males more than 1 of The Rollers among them. Parties at his house were infamous.
CropleyWasGod
10-04-2009, 02:30 PM
Common knowledge since the 60's that Patons sexual preference was teenage males more than 1 of The Rollers among them. Parties at his house were infamous.
Common knowledge amongst whom?
In the 60's, sex with teenage males was illegal. Now, it's not for over-15's. Breaking a law which has been repealed doesn't make him a "beast" IMO.
Killiehibbie
10-04-2009, 02:38 PM
Common knowledge amongst whom?
In the 60's, sex with teenage males was illegal. Now, it's not for over-15's. Breaking a law which has been repealed doesn't make him a "beast" IMO.
Anybody in the Edinburgh club scene which my Dad worked in at that time was aware of him. His sexual partners were not always willing which makes him a beast.
H18sry
10-04-2009, 02:47 PM
Anybody in the Edinburgh club scene which my Dad worked in at that time was aware of him. His sexual partners were not always willing which makes him a beast.
According to you :cool2:
Killiehibbie
10-04-2009, 02:56 PM
According to you :cool2:
Ok then he was a nice guy who used his charm and good looks to get his way with these boys. I take it back he wasn't a FRUB.
H18sry
10-04-2009, 02:59 PM
Ok then he was a nice guy who used his charm and good looks to get his way with these boys. I take it back he wasn't a FRUB.
:greengrin cool
Woody1985
10-04-2009, 03:44 PM
Why is it that some people find it so hard to believe that people do bad things?!
There are hundreds of millions of people who break the law yet are never charged and sentenced. At the same time we've seen a couple of cases lately with evidence being re-examined to find that people are innocent and released.
Two examples are:
The boy who was in the jail for 7 years.
Another being a guy who was accused of robbing a bank and was in jail for one year and it's been shown that there's a DNA link to a South African bank robber.
The law isn't infallible and because he wasn't prosecuted doesn't mean people aren't guilty.
ancient hibee
10-04-2009, 05:25 PM
Surely the worst thing he ever did was to inflict the Rollers on the rest of us.
marinello59
10-04-2009, 05:34 PM
He was convicted though wasn't he?
Paton was an obnoxious, devious slimeball of a man, yes he set a few rough lads on the road to stardom but all through it he screwed them & every other thing that wasnt bolted down !!
Alas he has gone, the rollers will never find out where there money has gone ..Paton has left the bulk of it to trusts ...
Bay City Rollers millions of pounds ..R.I.P
CropleyWasGod
10-04-2009, 05:48 PM
He was convicted though wasn't he?
He was convicted of sex with teenagers, when it was illegal for those under 21. It's a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be illegal now. ie I think they were over 15.
marinello59
10-04-2009, 05:54 PM
He was convicted of sex with teenagers, when it was illegal for those under 21. It's a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be illegal now. ie I think they were over 15.
One as 16, the other was 17 whilst he was in his forties and able to flash his wealth about.
CropleyWasGod
10-04-2009, 06:02 PM
One as 16, the other was 17 whilst he was in his forties and able to flash his wealth about.
Sorry, I'm not defending him for it. Exploitation, if that's what it was, is exploitation... whether it's legal or not, whether the guys were willing partners or not.
I am only trying to get a bit of balance here, particularly when no one (except for Alan Longmuir in the EEN) seems to want to stick up for Paton.
I had always wondered why, since there were so many nasty stories about the guy, he hadn't been charged more regularly. The Record (FWIW) has its own slant on that today.... they are suggesting that he was a major drugs supplier, but was always protected because he knew too much about other dealers.
I used to work near his house and on an almost daily basis young boys got off the bus and walked along the road to his house - cant say what they were doing but some of them definitely looked under 16.
CropleyWasGod
10-04-2009, 06:06 PM
I used to work near his house and on an almost daily basis young boys got off the bus and walked along the road to his house - cant say what they were doing but some of them definitely looked under 16.
Tut, you are so naive!!!
he had the biggest Scalextric set in the whole of the Lothians.....
Toaods
10-04-2009, 06:39 PM
One as 16, the other was 17 whilst he was in his forties and able to flash his welt about.
..corrected that for you....:wink:
..corrected that for you....:wink:Ouch ...:greengrin
Ed De Gramo
10-04-2009, 06:45 PM
RIP for the music side (waaaay before my time but other relatives grew up with the Bay City Rollers)...:agree:
As for the rest....who knows...cannae be any worse than what Wacko Jacko was accused off (and unsurprisngly found not guilty for)
CropleyWasGod
10-04-2009, 06:53 PM
RIP for the music side (waaaay before my time but other relatives grew up with the Bay City Rollers)...:agree:
As for the rest....who knows...cannae be any worse than what Wacko Jacko was accused off (and unsurprisngly found not guilty for)
There are some of us who would argue that the music was FAR FAR more evil than "the rest" :wink:
Onceinawhile
10-04-2009, 09:08 PM
I'm unsure if this thread is in bad taste or not.
On one hand, he appears to have been a lying, drug dealing rapist *******.
On the other hand, he would still have had a family who will be highly upset by this making the thread a bit obscene and distasteful.
It's a bit like the Wallace Mercer debate, should you celebrate a death?
Was there really any need?
greenlex
10-04-2009, 09:21 PM
Right or wrong. Good or Bad. Legal or illegal would you be happy for your 15year old son (or daughter for that matter) to frequent his house?
Right or wrong. Good or Bad. Legal or illegal would you be happy for your 15year old son (or daughter for that matter) to frequent his house?
No you wouldn't.
The cabbies hanging about on the gyle rank on the weekend used to dread picking up these schemies who went to "little kellerstain"....because it was a bad fare as we had nothing coming back.
God knows what these poor sods had to do to get in there!
AllyF
10-04-2009, 11:54 PM
Here's another thread (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1015879) on the matter. One poster claims to have been one of Paton's "boys".
It's a really sickening tale.
Tut, you are so naive!!!
he had the biggest Scalextric set in the whole of the Lothians.....
Nope just cautious :wink: but I think everyone had a pretty good idea why they were going and what they had to do to get what they wanted.
Betty Boop
11-04-2009, 10:27 AM
Ian Mitchell seems to think Tam was alright. http://www.ianmitchell.com/
hibsdaft
11-04-2009, 03:01 PM
a couple of hash-head acquaintances from Corstorphine told me that Paton was a major drug-dealer back in the late 90s, and about his 'tastes'. its always been pretty well known about in certain circles i think.
Woody1985
11-04-2009, 05:09 PM
I'm unsure if this thread is in bad taste or not.
On one hand, he appears to have been a lying, drug dealing rapist *******.
On the other hand, he would still have had a family who will be highly upset by this making the thread a bit obscene and distasteful.
It's a bit like the Wallace Mercer debate, should you celebrate a death?
Was there really any need?
People were coming up with the arguement that there is no point in RIP threads because the family and people who really knew and loved them wouldn't see it.
Therefore, on that basis there is nothing wrong with the thread IMO.
Some people are better off dead.
I'm unsure if this thread is in bad taste or not.
On one hand, he appears to have been a lying, drug dealing rapist *******.
On the other hand, he would still have had a family who will be highly upset by this making the thread a bit obscene and distasteful.
It's a bit like the Wallace Mercer debate, should you celebrate a death?
Was there really any need?Good points Antwerp, i am usually uneasy with threads like this, however, having briefly been in the mans company & being very close to someone who was subjected to his vile acts i feel at least folk should be able to voice an opinion & having read the thread so far ..most points seem accurate ...
Steve-O
14-04-2009, 03:49 AM
Er, why wouldn't we be able to have a thread based on a current news story? (I know the thread is obviously still here but still...)
SlickShoes
14-04-2009, 01:11 PM
Not sorry to see him go, seemed like a horrible person really. His mum on the otherhand was a perfectly nice woman, feel sorry for her but ultimately i think she lost him many years ago.
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