December 2012 - End of Days

[Sylar]

As a graduate of science, I tend to find these "Doomsday Prophecies" a tad rediculous. I've often been dumbfounded at these "cults" who have committed mass suicide to avoid being annihilated on the final Earth day. As a whole, the Doomsday scenarios are, in my humble opinion, a lot of nonsense.

Until I came across one the other day which made the hair on the back of neck stand up slightly. There is an ancient (and very common Doomsday theory) which is based on the ancient Mayan prediction that the world will end on December 21, 2012. Whilst I very much doubt the validity of the specific date, the science behind the proposed reasons for the "End of Days" is actually pretty convincing.

The Pole Shift Hypothesis focuses on the theory that the Earth's poles regularly "shift" when certain gravitational forces act on the planets magnetic centre. The proposed date in question sees the Winter Solstice of 2012 - effectively, the North Pole would become the South Pole with unpredictable consequences. There are geological records to support past occurrences, but seeing as no-one was around to experience the effects.

Part of the science highlights changes in the climatic system over a period of time, with dramatic alterations in the sea levels, storm frequency/intensity and global temperatures. It certainly places a new spin on the "sudden" alterations in our climate in recent years!

Anyway, I thought it was an interesting enough prediction to share it on here :greengrin

[Woody1985]

It's certainly ****ed up that's for sure.

I read about about this and it seems that the theory of what they're saying IIRC.

It would be just as we get out the recession eh!

[Sean1875]

It's certainly ****ed up that's for sure.

I read about about this and it seems that the theory of what they're saying IIRC.

It would be just as we get out the recession eh!
and no doubt Hibs would be the last SPL team left in the Scottish Cup :grr:

[greenlex]

****in typical. Right at the begining of the festivities. Could it not wait a couple of weeks till I finish my Christmas and new year holidays?

[Sylar]

Shame it's not earlier - would spare us the hassle of protesting against team GB and paying millions of unnecessary tax pounds! :wink:

There's actually a film being released (I find out tonight looking into it a bit more) called 2012, which covers the subject matter.

Looks good and apparantly explains the serious message behind the "prophecy".

[Danderhall Hibs]

****in typical. Right at the begining of the festivities. Could it not wait a couple of weeks till I finish my Christmas and new year holidays?

I'm going to take 14-21 December that year - just in case.

[sleeping giant]

I first heard about this while watching a Jordan Maxwell dvd.
I ended up downloading another lecture on it but its a bit long (3x2hour segments) and i keep falling asleep.
The name has left me for now but i will post it later.

[SRHibs]

As far as I know, mayans haven't actually predicted any of this.
Pretty sure as their calendar is cyclical the end of the calendar just means there's a new beginning now.
Anyway, here's a video I watched before that has arguments against the prophecy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-FPenekOwA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8LTAzmG6PI&feature=related

[GlesgaeHibby]

As a graduate of science, I tend to find these "Doomsday Prophecies" a tad rediculous. I've often been dumbfounded at these "cults" who have committed mass suicide to avoid being annihilated on the final Earth day. As a whole, the Doomsday scenarios are, in my humble opinion, a lot of nonsense.

Until I came across one the other day which made the hair on the back of neck stand up slightly. There is an ancient (and very common Doomsday theory) which is based on the ancient Mayan prediction that the world will end on December 21, 2012. Whilst I very much doubt the validity of the specific date, the science behind the proposed reasons for the "End of Days" is actually pretty convincing.

The Pole Shift Hypothesis focuses on the theory that the Earth's poles regularly "shift" when certain gravitational forces act on the planets magnetic centre. The proposed date in question sees the Winter Solstice of 2012 - effectively, the North Pole would become the South Pole with unpredictable consequences. There are geological records to support past occurrences, but seeing as no-one was around to experience the effects.

Part of the science highlights changes in the climatic system over a period of time, with dramatic alterations in the sea levels, storm frequency/intensity and global temperatures. It certainly places a new spin on the "sudden" alterations in our climate in recent years!

Anyway, I thought it was an interesting enough prediction to share it on here :greengrin

What is so special about the gravitational forces acting on Earth at that winter solstice?

I wouldn't worry, if this guy;

www.ronaldweinland.com

is to be believed Christ will return to earth to rule for 1000 years in may that year. He claims to be one of the two prophesised end time prophets as told of in revelation. The seven seals have apparently been released and the first trumpet has been blown, yet no events that have happened on earth tie in with this at all!

[shamo9]

Skeptoid (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4093)

Here's one more reason people are frightened about 2012. About 500 years ago, Copernicus confirmed what Hipparchus had observed in 2200 BC: that the axis of the Earth, which leans over at 23.5°, completes one full rotation every 25,765 years. This means that in 12,000 years, Christmas will come to Australia in winter and the northern hemisphere will depict Santa in Bermuda shorts. Astrologers call this period a Great Year, and they divide it into 12 Great Months or astrological "ages", each about 2,147 years long. Each age corresponds to one of the signs of the zodiac. We are currently in the Age of Pisces, and like the song says, we're soon going to enter the Age of Aquarius. According to modern official delineations of the edges of the constellations, we'll move into the new age in the year 2600. But there's some disagreement, and some astrologers place it at 2595, 2654, or 2638. A few put it much earlier, as soon as 2150 or even 2062. However, once the news of the Mayan calendar broke, a large segment of the astrological community abandoned the official constellation definitions and stated that the Age of Aquarius will begin in 2012. So, you can call this a third major reason why the world will end in 2012, but you have to be awful loose with your astrology, and you also have to think of some reason why the dawning of the Age of Aquarius might bring on the end of the world. I have not found any plausible claims for how it might have this effect.

[Sir David Gray]

This is a subject that interests me a lot.

I believe that the World, as we know it, does not have long left. However, no-one knows exactly when the end of the Earth will come and anyone who makes specific predictions are just guessing.

It could be next week, next month, next year, in the next decade or in the next 50 years.

In terms of my own personal opinion, I would hazard a guess that it will happen sooner rather than later, possibly within my lifetime. Although that is a complete guess.

[majorhibs]

They might have banned magic mushrooms in Amsterdam, but thats obviously not affecting the supply chain to certain Hibs.netters. :thumbsup:

[Sylar]

What is so special about the gravitational forces acting on Earth at that winter solstice?

I wouldn't worry, if this guy;

www.ronaldweinland.com

is to be believed Christ will return to earth to rule for 1000 years in may that year. He claims to be one of the two prophesised end time prophets as told of in revelation. The seven seals have apparently been released and the first trumpet has been blown, yet no events that have happened on earth tie in with this at all!

It's not so much just during the Winter Solstice, so much as this particular one - the Earth will line up directly in between the Sun and a large vacuum at the centre of the Milky Way, which happens very rarely!

At present, the gravitational pull holds the Earth within its Orbit - there is a physical force exerted by the Sun onto each of the planets, to ensure a constant orbit is maintained. A similar phenomena could happen if another large object (or void) is placed on the other side of the object, exerting an equal or opposite force (i.e., there would be a pull instead of a force).

That answer's basic physics, more than Planetary/Interstellar gravity science right enough, and it's still not 100% understood by many astrophysicists.

I'm definately not jumping on the wacko bandwagon quite just yet, but there certainly seems to be more to this particular foretelling than others I've scoffed at in the past!

[Arch Stanton]

I'm not sure how the reversal would work - would it mean us having barbies outside at Christmas? If so, I wouldn't be overkeen.

Mind you, if Portobello became the new Bondi then that wouldn't be so bad.

[The_Todd]

What is so special about the gravitational forces acting on Earth at that winter solstice?

I wouldn't worry, if this guy;

www.ronaldweinland.com (http://www.ronaldweinland.com)

is to be believed Christ will return to earth to rule for 1000 years in may that year. He claims to be one of the two prophesised end time prophets as told of in revelation. The seven seals have apparently been released and the first trumpet has been blown, yet no events that have happened on earth tie in with this at all!


I notice that he speaks of a "Feast of Trumpets". Is that the collective noun for more than one Kickbacker?

Anyway, it frightens me that some people take such glee from predicting such destruction and believe that some deity they prey to can be so vindictive.

That's my own opinion, and I'm not silly enough to say I'm right and nobody else is, by the way.

[mickeythehibbee]

Shame it's not earlier - would spare us the hassle of protesting against team GB and paying millions of unnecessary tax pounds! :wink:

There's actually a film being released (I find out tonight looking into it a bit more) called 2012, which covers the subject matter.

Looks good and apparantly explains the serious message behind the "prophecy".

Yeah i wouldn't expect too much from that film. It's directed by Roland Emmerich the same trumpet behind 10,000 B.C. and Independence day so odds are very good it'll be gash! :grr::wink:

[--------]

Goodness gracious me!

And some folks say Christians are gullible. :bitchy:

[GlesgaeHibby]

I notice that he speaks of a "Feast of Trumpets". Is that the collective noun for more than one Kickbacker?

Anyway, it frightens me that some people take such glee from predicting such destruction and believe that some deity they prey to can be so vindictive.

That's my own opinion, and I'm not silly enough to say I'm right and nobody else is, by the way.


:faf::faf: Brilliant. He's obviously picked up his vocab from my use of the word trumpet at the recent Killie game:wink:

[GlesgaeHibby]

It's not so much just during the Winter Solstice, so much as this particular one - the Earth will line up directly in between the Sun and a large vacuum at the centre of the Milky Way, which happens very rarely!

At present, the gravitational pull holds the Earth within its Orbit - there is a physical force exerted by the Sun onto each of the planets, to ensure a constant orbit is maintained. A similar phenomena could happen if another large object (or void) is placed on the other side of the object, exerting an equal or opposite force (i.e., there would be a pull instead of a force).

That answer's basic physics, more than Planetary/Interstellar gravity science right enough, and it's still not 100% understood by many astrophysicists.

I'm definately not jumping on the wacko bandwagon quite just yet, but there certainly seems to be more to this particular foretelling than others I've scoffed at in the past!

It is interesting, but in space you have to be careful with reference points. I believe that we will only line up, relative to our reference from earth. From anywhere else in the universe, we wouldn't appear to be in a line.

[steakbake]

The mother ship will return some point soon and we'll all be goosed.

Well, most of us anyway.

[Arch Stanton]

It is interesting, but in space you have to be careful with reference points. I believe that we will only line up, relative to our reference from earth. From anywhere else in the universe, we wouldn't appear to be in a line.

Just like the way some linesmen apply the offside rule then.

[--------]

The mother ship will return some point soon and we'll all be goosed.

Well, most of us anyway.


Got your Rohypnol/Pepsi ready then?

[Hibernian Verse]

OP, I watched a program on the history channel today about 21st Dec. 2012. It stated that Merlin (the real one) had depicted that doomsday will come when people speak from 'England to France using a speaking stone' (e.g. the mobile phone) and another old English oracle predicted that men will be seen in the air (parachutes) and people will fly faster than birds (planes) and use war machines unthinkable in those times.

St. John also predicted that the beast with the marks of 666 would come. Neron Caesar (emperor Nero) in phonetics adds up to 666. He was a beast...

Also the Mayan Calendar predicted highs and lows of the future. The lows coincided with the two World Wars, the fall of the Roman emperor and something else which escapes me.

Someone also predicted that the sea levels would rise and the sun would 'burn bright' hotter than ever (global warming anyone) and wars would be fought starting in the middle east before half the world dies and the land turns red...freaky stuff.

Just thought i'd add these facts.

Oh a philosopher from China also predicted the 21st Dec 2012 without knowing the Mayans existed! This is mental stuff and i'm actually looking forward to it to see if anything happens :agree:

[Sir David Gray]

OP, I watched a program on the history channel today about 21st Dec. 2012. It stated that Merlin (the real one) had depicted that doomsday will come when people speak from 'England to France using a speaking stone' (e.g. the mobile phone) and another old English oracle predicted that men will be seen in the air (parachutes) and people will fly faster than birds (planes) and use war machines unthinkable in those times.

St. John also predicted that the beast with the marks of 666 would come. Neron Caesar (emperor Nero) in phonetics adds up to 666. He was a beast...

Also the Mayan Calendar predicted highs and lows of the future. The lows coincided with the two World Wars, the fall of the Roman emperor and something else which escapes me.

Someone also predicted that the sea levels would rise and the sun would 'burn bright' hotter than ever (global warming anyone) and wars would be fought starting in the middle east before half the world dies and the land turns red...freaky stuff.

Just thought i'd add these facts.

Oh a philosopher from China also predicted the 21st Dec 2012 without knowing the Mayans existed! This is mental stuff and i'm actually looking forward to it to see if anything happens :agree:

How will you know that anything's happened, the world will have ended! :greengrin

[Hainan Hibs]

and i'm actually looking forward to it to see if anything happens :agree:

Aye, sounds a rare laugh:greengrin

Sounds an interesting programme though:agree:.

[The_Todd]

OP, I watched a program on the history channel today about 21st Dec. 2012. It stated that Merlin (the real one) had depicted that doomsday will come when people speak from 'England to France using a speaking stone' (e.g. the mobile phone) and another old English oracle predicted that men will be seen in the air (parachutes) and people will fly faster than birds (planes) and use war machines unthinkable in those times.

St. John also predicted that the beast with the marks of 666 would come. Neron Caesar (emperor Nero) in phonetics adds up to 666. He was a beast...

Also the Mayan Calendar predicted highs and lows of the future. The lows coincided with the two World Wars, the fall of the Roman emperor and something else which escapes me.

Someone also predicted that the sea levels would rise and the sun would 'burn bright' hotter than ever (global warming anyone) and wars would be fought starting in the middle east before half the world dies and the land turns red...freaky stuff.

Just thought i'd add these facts.

Oh a philosopher from China also predicted the 21st Dec 2012 without knowing the Mayans existed! This is mental stuff and i'm actually looking forward to it to see if anything happens :agree:

But pretty much everything you've mentioned has been and gone - and nothing?

Planes have been around a long time, as have mobile phones. The current wars in the middle east aren't exactly new either.

All accurate predictions if they were actually made, but none of these led to the end of the world.

[steakbake]

Mother ship. It's on the way.

[Ryan91]

I don't think its going to happen, in the earths' history the flipping of the poles has occured many times, and actually at the moment, the north pole is technically magnetic south, so thats rather crazy but with Doomsday cults take a look at Pendulum's video to their single Propane Nightmares which dealt with in part the Heaven's Gate cult. Interesting but a bunch of Christians predicted the world was supposed to end in 2006, that never happened that was supposed to be true, so make your minds up. Personally i think the world won't end until at least January 19th 2038, well not properly end but would be seriously screwed. Here is proof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem).

[bawheid]

I'll bet £50m to anyone on this thread that the world doesn't end in December 2012.

[Sylar]

That's a safe bet either way :tee hee:

[In_terms_of]

This is a subject that interests me a lot.

I believe that the World, as we know it, does not have long left. However, no-one knows exactly when the end of the Earth will come and anyone who makes specific predictions are just guessing.

It could be next week, next month, next year, in the next decade or in the next 50 years.

In terms of my own personal opinion, I would hazard a guess that it will happen sooner rather than later, possibly within my lifetime. Although that is a complete guess.

:grr:

[Mon Dieu4]

If it happens it happens there is nothing you can do about it so what is the point worrying :agree:

[SRHibs]

I don't think its going to happen, in the earths' history the flipping of the poles has occured many times, and actually at the moment, the north pole is technically magnetic south, so thats rather crazy but with Doomsday cults take a look at Pendulum's video to their single Propane Nightmares which dealt with in part the Heaven's Gate cult. Interesting but a bunch of Christians predicted the world was supposed to end in 2006, that never happened that was supposed to be true, so make your minds up. Personally i think the world won't end until at least January 19th 2038, well not properly end but would be seriously screwed. Here is proof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem).
You're talking about magnetic pole shifts though.
The 2012 pole shift would be a shifting of the actual crust.

[Hibernian Verse]

Aye, sounds a rare laugh:greengrin

Sounds an interesting programme though:agree:.

:greengrin

Yeah it was really interesting, don't usually indulge myself in TV these days but my dad was watching it and it really freaked me out somewhat. If I see it on again i'll post it on here.

[Calvin]

:greengrin

Yeah it was really interesting, don't usually indulge myself in TV these days but my dad was watching it and it really freaked me out somewhat. If I see it on again i'll post it on here.
What was it called?