failed assasination attempt?

[Toaods]

least surprising news from there recently...

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-documentid=14848710

odds-on another accident awaits....:agree:

[hibiedude]

This has President Robert Mugabe paw prints all over it in my opinion, it was an assassination attempt by the ruthless Mugabe and his henchmen to gain back full power. Mugabe believes he has show the world that he's now a true President and is open to change in his country. He stands along side Hitler, Paul potts, Osama bin laden, and many others who wouldn't think twice about killing there own people who question there authority. Morgan Tsvangirai is one in a long list of candaites who have come up against Mugabe and lost, there will be more attempts to kill Tsvangirai unless Robert Mugabe is removed from power in Zimbabwe.

[Baw Baggio]

This has President Robert Mugabe paw prints all over it in my opinion, it was an assassination attempt by the ruthless Mugabe and his henchmen to gain back full power. Mugabe believes he has show the world that he's now a true President and is open to change in his country. He stands along side Hitler, Paul potts, Osama bin laden, and many others who wouldn't think twice about killing there own people who question there authority. Morgan Tsvangirai is one in a long list of candaites who have come up against Mugabe and lost, there will be more attempts to kill Tsvangirai unless Robert Mugabe is removed from power in Zimbabwe.

Evil ******** :grr: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k08yxu57NA) :wink:

[Toaods]

Evil ******** :grr: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k08yxu57NA) :wink:

:faf:

[hibiedude]

Evil ******** :grr: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k08yxu57NA) :wink:

I was thinking more about this evil ******** :greengrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQMyX80jCF8

that's one for the scrap book LOL

[hibsbollah]

She was run over by a US aid truck apparently. I'm sure the BBC will pin it on Mugabe regardless. A mad dictator he may be, but any semblance of unbiased reporting disappeared when Mugabe chucked the BBC out of the country. Now that muslim cleric with the hook got a better press than Mugabe does.

[Sir David Gray]

Whilst I'm not convinced that there has been any foul play in this incident, I really would not put anything past Robert Mugabe when it comes to retaining control of Zimbabwe.

The guy is power crazy and his absolute control has been challenged in recent months with the power sharing agreement with the MDC that has seen Morgan Tsvangirai become PM. It wouldn't be outwith the realms of possibility to think that he may have had a hand in this.

[lyonhibs]

IMO what Morgan Tsvangirai has been through over the past couple of years in his role as the main opposition leader to that cruel despot Mugabe (why hasn't the West intervened in this country?? - the man looks Saddam look like the grandad in the old Wethers Orignals advert) would have made many weaker men crumbe and cede to RM, as his "influence/reputation" appears to have done to the leaders of neighbouring African countries and Western leaders alike with their "hands off, not our problem" approach.

Intimidation and beatings to start with and now, just when it looked like things might be about to start to change, his wife gets tragically killed in a "accidental" (the use of quotation marks should convey my cynicism re: how much of a "accident" this really was) car crash in which he himself was injured.

Its a crying shame, because Zimbabwe was a model (as far as this is possible) of a rejuvenated African country at the time before Mugabe came to power and turned the country into his very own plaything, but I really don't think any meaningful chance can be achieved from internal means in Zimbabwe as long as Mugabe is alive, and even after he finally dies, his influence and friendships within the country will - IMO - make the kind of self-led change that we'd all love Zimbabwe to be able to carry out impossible.

I honestly salute the perseverance and dedication to his beliefs that MT shows (even though he was a Mugabe devotee in his earlier days), but I think that - alone - he's facing a insurmountable mountain regarding putting Zimbabwe back on its feet economically and socially.

Now god knows "The West" isn't a paragon of perfection either economically or socially, but should the UN do something concrete to aid Zimbabwe out of "The Mugabe Era"??

Opinions?

[steakbake]

IMO what Morgan Tsvangirai has been through over the past couple of years in his role as the main opposition leader to that cruel despot Mugabe (why hasn't the West intervened in this country??

Opinions?

Because Mugabe is a tin pot genocidal maniac in sub-saharan Africa. The west doesn't really care because it's not close enough to our borders to feel threatened or shamed into action.

Also because we don't want to upset South Africa, who have supported this lunatic with kid gloves since he started going wrong in the 1990s

[hibsbollah]

(why hasn't the West intervened in this country?? - the man makes Saddam look like the grandad in the old Wethers Orignals advert)

If by 'the West' we are talking about the UK, i'm sure we would have if we had the military means. The reason Zimbabwe is on the UK news so often is that there are tens of thousands of Brits who were doing very well thank you until Mugabe's land reforms started. Returning the British 'rightful owners' to their farms would play very well in some wealthy UK constituencies.

Mugabe is obviously a nasty piece of work, but pales into insignifance against some of the murderous dictators elsewhere who we hear very little about. Most of Mugabes crimes are economic, not human rights related, so the UN isnt really got involved militarily. But take Sudan as a comparison, far worse ****** is going on there and the 'international community' is completely toothless, save for last weeks judgement from the Hague. Plus Mugabe has a lot of electoral support, like it or not.

[Sir David Gray]

If by 'the West' we are talking about the UK, i'm sure we would have if we had the military means. The reason Zimbabwe is on the UK news so often is that there are tens of thousands of Brits who were doing very well thank you until Mugabe's land reforms started. Returning the British 'rightful owners' to their farms would play very well in some wealthy UK constituencies.

Mugabe is obviously a nasty piece of work, but pales into insignifance against some of the murderous dictators elsewhere who we hear very little about. Most of Mugabes crimes are economic, not human rights related, so the UN isnt really got involved militarily. But take Sudan as a comparison, far worse ****** is going on there and the 'international community' is completely toothless, save for last weeks judgement from the Hague. Plus Mugabe has a lot of electoral support, like it or not.

Whilst giving farmland to the black population may seem like a fair thing to do, the consequences of that decision have been catastrophic for Zimbabwe. Most of the people who inherited the land did not have the first idea on how to run a farm.

The predecessors were skilled farmers who ran their land successfully. Following their removal, output from the farms has dropped dramatically, which has been disastrous for Zimbabwe.

Robert Mugabe is a tyrant, pure and simple. He is deluded, paranoid and constantly blames all of Zimbabwe's ills on the West, and the UK in particular. He takes no responsibility for anything.

As for the majority of his crimes being economically based and not in human rights abuses. What about the oppression of just about every single political opponent that goes public, the extreme pressure that is put on people to vote for Zanu-PF at the polls and the threat of violence if you dare to vote any other way, the strict regulation of state newspapers and tv and the expulsion from Zimbabwe of foreign news networks.

The vast majority of the country is starving, there is mass unemployment and inflation is at ridiculous levels, it is now around 200,000,000%, with a loaf of bread costing about 10 million Zimbabwean dollars. Their currency is probably worth no more than money from a game of Monopoly. There is also a cholera epidemic spreading the country (and beyond) that has so far killed around 4000 people, due to the fact that the people have no access to clean, safe drinking water. This is because of the collapse of Zimbabwe's water supply and sanitation system.

To say that Zimbabwe is in a mess would quite possibly be the greatest understatement of all time.

Robert Mugabe is as bad, if not worse, than any other current world leader. There are no words to describe what he has done to his own people. If it was up to me, I would be sending troops into Zimbabwe first thing tomorrow morning and taking him out and then allowing Morgan Tsvangirai and his party to set up their own government. For as long as Mugabe is allowed to remain as President, he will pay little more than lip service to any power sharing agreement and Tsvangirai's role as PM will simply be no more than a title.

The leader of Sudan is an evil man, there are no doubts about that, but if he's going to be charged with crimes against humanity, surely Mugabe must also have a case to answer.

[hibsbollah]

Whilst giving farmland to the black population may seem like a fair thing to do, the consequences of that decision have been catastrophic for Zimbabwe. Most of the people who inherited the land did not have the first idea on how to run a farm.

The predecessors were skilled farmers who ran their land successfully. Following their removal, output from the farms has dropped dramatically, which has been disastrous for Zimbabwe.

Robert Mugabe is a tyrant, pure and simple. He is deluded, paranoid and constantly blames all of Zimbabwe's ills on the West, and the UK in particular. He takes no responsibility for anything.

As for the majority of his crimes being economically based and not in human rights abuses. What about the oppression of just about every single political opponent that goes public, the extreme pressure that is put on people to vote for Zanu-PF at the polls and the threat of violence if you dare to vote any other way, the strict regulation of state newspapers and tv and the expulsion from Zimbabwe of foreign news networks.

The vast majority of the country is starving, there is mass unemployment and inflation is at ridiculous levels, it is now around 200,000,000%, with a loaf of bread costing about 10 million Zimbabwean dollars. Their currency is probably worth no more than money from a game of Monopoly. There is also a cholera epidemic spreading the country (and beyond) that has so far killed around 4000 people, due to the fact that the people have no access to clean, safe drinking water. This is because of the collapse of Zimbabwe's water supply and sanitation system.

To say that Zimbabwe is in a mess would quite possibly be the greatest understatement of all time.

Robert Mugabe is as bad, if not worse, than any other current world leader. There are no words to describe what he has done to his own people. If it was up to me, I would be sending troops into Zimbabwe first thing tomorrow morning and taking him out and then allowing Morgan Tsvangirai and his party to set up their own government. For as long as Mugabe is allowed to remain as President, he will pay little more than lip service to any power sharing agreement and Tsvangirai's role as PM will simply be no more than a title.

The leader of Sudan is an evil man, there are no doubts about that, but if he's going to be charged with crimes against humanity, surely Mugabe must also have a case to answer.

I don't disagree with any of that. Mugabe is clearly a nasty piece of work. I'm just saying being totally incompetent at running the economy doesnt in itself justify a UN mandate for invasion. As for intimidating the opposition political party, that goes on in probably half the worlds countries. You cant invade 'em all. (For example, Israel is a much more deserving target for UN military action, but we've done that one already:wink:)

[Sir David Gray]

I don't disagree with any of that. Mugabe is clearly a nasty piece of work. I'm just saying being totally incompetent at running the economy doesnt in itself justify a UN mandate for invasion. As for intimidating the opposition political party, that goes on in probably half the worlds countries. You cant invade 'em all. (For example, Israel is a much more deserving target for UN military action, but we've done that one already:wink:)

I really don't think we should go there. :wink:

[hibsbollah]

I really don't think we should go there. :wink:

:faf:

[Betty Boop]

Morgan Tsvangirai has ruled out foul play re his wife's death. The land cruiser they were travelling in, was hit by a British/US aid truck, the driver is to be charged with culpable homicide. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/tsvangirai-rules-out-foul-play-in-wifes-fatal-accident-1641031.html