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Monts
25-02-2009, 07:48 PM
Hey there.
How's it going?
Long Time No See.
I know I haven't been around much but it didn't seem like you wanted me to be.

the last time I sent down a message, you nailed it to a cross.
So I figured I'd just leave you to it and be your own boss.

But I've been keeping an eye on you, I have. And it's amazing how you've grown.
All your technological advances and the problems you've overthrown.

All the beautiful art you've created with such grace and such finesse.
But I must admit there are a few things that, I'm afraid, Have impressed me less.

So I'm writing to apologise for all the horrors committed in my name.
Although it was never what I intended I feel I should take my share of the blame.

A lot of the good I tried to do was corrupted when organised religion got into full swing.
What I thought were quite clear messages were taken to unusual extremes.

My teachings were taken out of context to meet the agenda of others.
Interpretations were taken in many different ways and hidden meanings 'discovered.'

Religion became a tool for the weak to control the strong.
With all these new morals and ethics survival of the fittest was gone.

No longer could the biggest man simply take what ever he needed,
Because damnation was the price if certain rules were not heeded.

Some of the deeds committed in my name just make me wonder where I went wrong.
Back at the start when I 'created' all of this, the foundations seemed so strong.

See all the elements wee already here long before I began.
I just kind of put them all together. I didn't really think out a long term plan.

I made the sun an appropriate distance and laid the starts across the sky,
So you could navigate this globe or simply experience a sunrise.

I covered the earth with plants and fruits, some for sustenance and some for beauty.
And made the sun shine and clouds rain so that maintenance wasn't your duty.

I tried to give each creature its own attributes. But without making them enveloped.
I gave you all space to grow and, in your own way, space to develop.

I didn't know that such development would cause rifts and jealousy.
Cause you to war against each other and leave marks on this planet indelibly.

You see, I wasn't the creator, more the curator of nature.
And I want to set things straight with homosexuals right now; I DON'T hate ya.

I was a simple being that happened to be the first to yield such powers.
But I just laid the ground. It was you that built the towers.

It was you that invented bombs and fear that comes with them.
It was you that invented money, and corrupt economic systems.

You invented terms like 'just wars' and terms like 'friendly fire,'
And it was you that didn't know when to stop digging deeper and when to stop building higher.

It was you that exhausted the resources I carefully laid out on this earth,
And it was you that even saw these problems coming but accredited them little worth.

It was you that used my teachings for your own personal gain
And it was you that committed such tragedies, even if they were in my name.

So i apologise for any mistakes I made and for when my words were misconstrued,
But this apology is to Mother Nature because I created you.

Pretty Boy
25-02-2009, 08:55 PM
:agree: So true.

With apologies to great comedian Doug Stanhope, why is it atheists are more moral than religous people?

When was the last time one heard on the news 'Atheist extremists attacked an agnostic stronghold today'?

Woody1985
26-02-2009, 08:15 AM
:agree: So true.

With apologies to great comedian Doug Stanhope, why is it atheists are more moral than religous people?

When was the last time one heard on the news 'Atheist extremists attacked an agnostic stronghold today'?

:top marks

Sylar
26-02-2009, 10:18 AM
:agree: So true.

With apologies to great comedian Doug Stanhope, why is it atheists are more moral than religous people?

When was the last time one heard on the news 'Atheist extremists attacked an agnostic stronghold today'?

Care to hazard a guess as to how many Christians were massacred under the regimes or Stalin and Mao?

Care to elaborate how your position stands in a global sense, where Christians are persecuted in the Far East (particularly in places like China and North Korea) and often killed for their faith?

Fundamental ideologies don't stop with religious groups.

Pretty Boy
26-02-2009, 08:08 PM
Care to hazard a guess as to how many Christians were massacred under the regimes or Stalin and Mao?

Care to elaborate how your position stands in a global sense, where Christians are persecuted in the Far East (particularly in places like China and North Korea) and often killed for their faith?

Fundamental ideologies don't stop with religious groups.

I was only quoting a joke i heard.

When one replaces religious doctrine with another form of ideology it inevitably leads to trouble. The regimes of China and North Korea are not atheist or agnostic in their beliefs, they are persecuting Christians etc as they see religion as being detrimental and dangerous to their own beliefs.

The same can be said of Stalin and Mao, they saw religion as a rallying call for opposition to their respective regimes, quite different from being ideologically atheist.

Baw Baggio
26-02-2009, 08:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnGNOiFll4

:top marks

Sir David Gray
26-02-2009, 09:16 PM
Care to hazard a guess as to how many Christians were massacred under the regimes or Stalin and Mao?

Care to elaborate how your position stands in a global sense, where Christians are persecuted in the Far East (particularly in places like China and North Korea) and often killed for their faith?

Fundamental ideologies don't stop with religious groups.

:agree: Well said.

Hibrandenburg
26-02-2009, 09:29 PM
Care to hazard a guess as to how many Christians were massacred under the regimes or Stalin and Mao?

Care to elaborate how your position stands in a global sense, where Christians are persecuted in the Far East (particularly in places like China and North Korea) and often killed for their faith?

Fundamental ideologies don't stop with religious groups.

They killed because of their beliefs and not because of what they didn't believe in. Or put differently, they killed because of their political ideologies and not because they didn't believe in any god. Big difference to killing in the name of some god :agree:

Hibrandenburg
26-02-2009, 09:32 PM
:agree: Well said.

Jings it's quiet on here, can you not post some more polls Falkirk :wink:

Sylar
26-02-2009, 09:38 PM
They killed because of their beliefs and not because of what they didn't believe in. Or put differently, they killed because of their political ideologies and not because they didn't believe in any god. Big difference to killing in the name of some god :agree:

Killed in the name of a belief - you call my belief God, I call yours politics* - people tend to be under some misconception that religion is the only thing people have killed for. These people I've cited killed Christians because the Christian Dogma goes against the core values of their Socialist belief systems - this might not fall under the classification of atheists citing any form of violence against "non-believers" (an odd analogy for atheism, I'll concede), but it certainly does class as a persecution of a belief system by those who do not share said beliefs.


* Although my wording isn't the best, this sentence isn't personally aimed at you - it's just to highlight an example.

Pretty Boy
26-02-2009, 09:50 PM
Killed in the name of a belief - you call my belief God, I call yours politics* - people tend to be under some misconception that religion is the only thing people have killed for. These people I've cited killed Christians because the Christian Dogma goes against the core values of their Socialist belief systems - this might not fall under the classification of atheists citing any form of violence against "non-believers" (an odd analogy for atheism, I'll concede), but it certainly does class as a persecution of a belief system by those who do not share said beliefs.


* Although my wording isn't the best, this sentence isn't personally aimed at you - it's just to highlight an example.

Very good point mate. Obviously there are numerous other reasons for ideological killing. However the initial post you responded to by myself specifically mentioned atheists and agnostic peoples. I very much doubt there have been many killings in the name of this belief structure.

I have no more time for those who have *******ised Marxism as an ideology to justify mass killing. Marx disliked religion and believed to move forward humans had to be liberated from it, he in no way advocated the killing of millions. Whoever interpreted it in such a way must have been very disturbed.

Hibrandenburg
26-02-2009, 09:58 PM
Killed in the name of a belief - you call my belief God, I call yours politics* - people tend to be under some misconception that religion is the only thing people have killed for. These people I've cited killed Christians because the Christian Dogma goes against the core values of their Socialist belief systems - this might not fall under the classification of atheists citing any form of violence against "non-believers" (an odd analogy for atheism, I'll concede), but it certainly does class as a persecution of a belief system by those who do not share said beliefs.


* Although my wording isn't the best, this sentence isn't personally aimed at you - it's just to highlight an example.

Exactly, they killed or had people killed because of their political ideology and not because they were atheists. I'd wager that a good few of Stalins henchmen were of one religious persuasion or another as for Mao I'm not so sure but in the case of Hitler almost all of his Volk were christians.

Sir David Gray
27-02-2009, 07:58 PM
Jings it's quiet on here, can you not post some more polls Falkirk :wink:

:greengrin I've still got that "Do you believe in God" poll, that you suggested a few weeks ago, to put up! :wink:

Hibrandenburg
01-03-2009, 09:55 PM
:greengrin I've still got that "Do you believe in God" poll, that you suggested a few weeks ago, to put up! :wink:

It's just begging to be asked :agree: Will ask Mr Rushdie before posting if he can give me any tips on avoiding fatwas and the witch burners :duck: