Jeremy Clarkson

[DaveF]

Twat or saying it as it is?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7873624.stm

[lyonhibs]

In this case, a twat.

Normally a bit of a legend, although I get the feeling if I actually had to spent real time in his actual presence, I'd probably end up giving him a knuckle sandwich.

Very funny on Top Gear as long as you're not one of those "PC" types..................... :devil::duck::greengrin

[steakbake]

Clarkson is an arse.

Its out of order bringing Gordon Brown's sight problems into it. That's harsh and pointless. It doesn't affect his ability to do his job: he'd be as bad a prime minister with two.

I would certainly agree that Brown is an idiot and you cannot deny that he is Scottish, even though Brown himself might play this down (depending upon the audience he is trying to reach).

[Woody1985]

Clarkson is hilarious even though he's a bit of a gimp.

Although, I thought the trucker joke was funny.... :greengrin

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I have no problem with Clarkson pointing out that Gordon Brown is Scottish - unfortunately, that happens to be the truth, however embarrassing.

I have no problem with him referring to Brown as an idiot, or as a liar - those happen to be my opinions as well.

I can even understand the fact that a lot of folks in England are a touch annoyed that both the PM and the Chancellor are so obviously Scots (though I have no sympathy for them - we've had to put up with Engerlische carpet-baggers up here for long enough).

"One-eyed" is out of order, though. We didn't like it when Jambos and others mocked Deano about his sight problems; rightly, we complained, and rightly, St Mirren at least apologised.

Put it all together, and it comes out as an opinionated cee-leb from the Home Counties venting his arrogance in a way that tells you far more about him than it does about the target of his spleen.

However, I REALLY DO object to that totally useless waste of oxygen Iain Gray MSP coming out with horse-feathers like: "Most people here are proud that the prime minister is a Scot and believe him to be the right person to get the UK through this global economic crisis."

Oh, really? Most people I speak to reckon Brown's a pompous, self-seeking prat who bears a huge responsibility for the present economic crisis, and who hasn't the faintest shadow of a clue as to how to sort it all out.

And one who's already sorted out a few lucrative directorships for himself on the boards of the very banks he's been so busy bailing out over the past weeks - for his retirement, of course.

But I'd consider him to be incompetent and dishonest whether he was monocular, binocular, or blind as the blindest bat that ever was....

[Hainan Hibs]

I just feel if he was from somewhere else such as India and he was called an "indian idiot" he would be getting hounded senseless.

But because he's a "scottish idiot" it's fair game and all a laugh.

[fergal7]

Its the "Scottish" bit that irks me.

Clarkson has made no secret of the fact that he hates Scottish people and most English people are so arrogant that they can't handle the fact that the British Prime Minister is not English.

Same reason they didn't vote for Neil Kinnock when the Tories were making a complete shop front of things.

Irritating arrogant curly haired English tw@t.

[Tomsk]

In this case, a twat.

Normally a bit of a legend, although I get the feeling if I actually had to spent real time in his actual presence, I'd probably end up giving him a knuckle sandwich.

Very funny on Top Gear as long as you're not one of those "PC" types..................... :devil::duck::greengrin

You would never tire of punching him in the mouth.

[Hibs Class]

Its the "Scottish" bit that irks me.

Clarkson has made no secret of the fact that he hates Scottish people and most English people are so arrogant that they can't handle the fact that the British Prime Minister is not English.

Same reason they didn't vote for Neil Kinnock when the Tories were making a complete shop front of things.

Irritating arrogant curly haired English tw@t.

Could be taken as a bit of a generalisation? :wink:

Anyhow, Clarkson has now apologised so no harm done :devil:

[Spike Mandela]

One perenially 'uncool' guy slagging another perenially 'uncool' guy.

Bit of a cheap shot though seeing as the PM cant reply that Clarkson is a perm haired, unfunny, English twat with a love of cars that masks the fact he has a small dick!

[fergal7]

Could be taken as a bit of a generalisation? :wink:

Anyhow, Clarkson has now apologised so no harm done :devil:


No generalisation, I know most English people. :wink:

[Gatecrasher]

another mountain out of molehill imo :rolleyes:

[Killiehibbie]

So what. Brown is Scottish, an idiot and has sight in only one eye. Not funny or controversial and hardly worth reporting.

[The_Todd]

Clarkson's a cock.

But that's his "thing".

That is all.

[Sir David Gray]

Totally unacceptable comment IMO.

This is as bad, if not worse, than Carol Thatcher's remarks. I don't particularly think Clarkson should be sacked but since Thatcher was sacked and Jonathan Ross was suspended, I think it's only right that some form of punishment is handed down.

If you don't like the job that Gordon Brown is doing, then you are more than entitled to express that view. But there is absolutely no need to bring his disability into the equation.

And it's not exactly the first time that he's made idiotic and offensive statements.

If Gordon Brown had been abused on the grounds of his race, the person responsible would have been sacked on the spot. Surely it's just as hurtful to abuse someone because of a disability.

[Speedy]

No need for it

[Pete]

You would never tire of punching him in the mouth.

Lyonhibs can be obnoxious but there's no need for that!

[Steve-O]

So what. Brown is Scottish, an idiot and has sight in only one eye. Not funny or controversial and hardly worth reporting.

Given that he works for a public service broadcaster, he shouldn't really be making such remarks.

As others have said, the Scottish part would be considered racist if it were substituted for anything else.

What about that football fan that got a conviction for calling Bellamy a "Welsh bassa"?

[Hibrandenburg]

I do hope his intestine gets to meet his gearbox one day soon.

[Hibbyradge]

I have no problem with Clarkson pointing out that Gordon Brown is Scottish -

He used the term "Scottish" as an insult.

Would he have refered to David Cameron as an English pratt?

I don't think so.

[Hibbyradge]

Given that he works for a public service broadcaster, he shouldn't really be making such remarks.

As others have said, the Scottish part would be considered racist if it were substituted for anything else.

What about that football fan that got a conviction for calling Bellamy a "Welsh bassa"?

It is racist. :agree:

[marinello59]

As my Mother used to say, a case of somebody opening their mouth and letting their belly rumble. I don't think for a second he thought about what he was saying. I find him about as offensive as a five year old shouting "Bum" to get a reaction.

[Expecting Rain]

Twat!

[Betty Boop]

Totally unacceptable comment IMO.

This is as bad, if not worse, than Carol Thatcher's remarks. I don't particularly think Clarkson should be sacked but since Thatcher was sacked and Jonathan Ross was suspended, I think it's only right that some form of punishment is handed down.

If you don't like the job that Gordon Brown is doing, then you are more than entitled to express that view. But there is absolutely no need to bring his disability into the equation.

And it's not exactly the first time that he's made idiotic and offensive statements.

If Gordon Brown had been abused on the grounds of his race, the person responsible would have been sacked on the spot. Surely it's just as hurtful to abuse someone because of a disability. She was sacked because she refused to apologise.

[Chez]

As my Mother used to say, a case of somebody opening their mouth and letting their belly rumble. I don't think for a second he thought about what he was saying. I find him about as offensive as a five year old shouting "Bum" to get a reaction.

Sums it up for me - especially the bit in bold - which he did get, however, not in the way he hoped :agree:

[Golden Bear]

I have no problem with Clarkson pointing out that Gordon Brown is Scottish - unfortunately, that happens to be the truth, however embarrassing.

I have no problem with him referring to Brown as an idiot, or as a liar - those happen to be my opinions as well.

I can even understand the fact that a lot of folks in England are a touch annoyed that both the PM and the Chancellor are so obviously Scots (though I have no sympathy for them - we've had to put up with Engerlische carpet-baggers up here for long enough).

"One-eyed" is out of order, though. We didn't like it when Jambos and others mocked Deano about his sight problems; rightly, we complained, and rightly, St Mirren at least apologised.

Put it all together, and it comes out as an opinionated cee-leb from the Home Counties venting his arrogance in a way that tells you far more about him than it does about the target of his spleen.

However, I REALLY DO object to that totally useless waste of oxygen Iain Gray MSP coming out with horse-feathers like: "Most people here are proud that the prime minister is a Scot and believe him to be the right person to get the UK through this global economic crisis."

Oh, really? Most people I speak to reckon Brown's a pompous, self-seeking prat who bears a huge responsibility for the present economic crisis, and who hasn't the faintest shadow of a clue as to how to sort it all out.

And one who's already sorted out a few lucrative directorships for himself on the boards of the very banks he's been so busy bailing out over the past weeks - for his retirement, of course.

But I'd consider him to be incompetent and dishonest whether he was monocular, binocular, or blind as the blindest bat that ever was....

Almost agree with your post Doddie - I don't think that the word "dishonest" is applicable though.

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Almost agree with your post Doddie - I don't think that the word "dishonest" is applicable though.


Oh, I don't know - he's been doing a wonderful job of being economical avec la verite the last few weeks in his attempts to shift the blame for the crash in the market....

He possesses that same unctuous manner that (a) makes my flesh crawl and (b) almost always in my experience goes hand in hand with a deep and fundamental insincerity....

I admit it - I just don't like the guy. Not even the teeniest, tiniest, little bit.

[Betty Boop]

Oh, I don't know - he's been doing a wonderful job of being economical avec la verite the last few weeks in his attempts to shift the blame for the crash in the market....

He possesses that same unctuous manner that (a) makes my flesh crawl and (b) almost always in my experience goes hand in hand with a deep and fundamental insincerity....

I admit it - I just don't like the guy. Not even the teeniest, tiniest, little bit. Me too! :agree:

[Sir David Gray]

She was sacked because she refused to apologise.

Maybe so, but there was never even any hint of the BBC taking any kind of action against Jeremy Clarkson.

Even with an apology, I believe that if he had made a slur based on Gordon Brown's race, rather than his disability, then he would have been punished in some way.

[Austinho]

Its the "Scottish" bit that irks me.

Clarkson has made no secret of the fact that he hates Scottish people and most English people are so arrogant that they can't handle the fact that the British Prime Minister is not English.

Same reason they didn't vote for Neil Kinnock when the Tories were making a complete shop front of things.

Irritating arrogant curly haired English [email protected] you aren't phased by Clarkson making fun of his disability, but calling him 'Scottish' upsets you.

If that really irks you, why resort to a similar insult?

Makes you just as bad as Clarkson, or all those seemingly 'arrogant' English people.

[GC]

Here we go again.....some posters on here strike me as the sort who get their knickers in a twist about everything and all thing.

Clarkson is class. See if people like Him, Jonathon Ross and Russel Brand were taken of the air what would we all be watching.

I admit they may not be to some peoples tastes but these are the people who have next to no sense of humour and scary amounts of outrage and shock to pour out everytime someone makes a comment.

See the way this world is going nowadays...jees I don't know

[Ed De Gramo]

Here we go again.....some posters on here strike me as the sort who get their knickers in a twist about everything and all thing.

Clarkson is class. See if people like Him, Jonathon Ross and Russel Brand were taken of the air what would we all be watching.

I admit they may not be to some peoples tastes but these are the people who have next to no sense of humour and scary amounts of outrage and shock to pour out everytime someone makes a comment.

See the way this world is going nowadays...jees I don't know

Once again :top marks

'mon the JC :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Sir David Gray]

Here we go again.....some posters on here strike me as the sort who get their knickers in a twist about everything and all thing.

Clarkson is class. See if people like Him, Jonathon Ross and Russel Brand were taken of the air what would we all be watching.

I admit they may not be to some peoples tastes but these are the people who have next to no sense of humour and scary amounts of outrage and shock to pour out everytime someone makes a comment.

See the way this world is going nowadays...jees I don't know

I don't mind Jonathan Ross but the other two are about as funny as toothache, in my opinion of course.

I don't get my knickers in a twist about everything, quite the opposite in fact. I just think that it's completely unacceptable to mock someone because of a disability, particularly when it's come about through quite a traumatic accident. It's even more sad that a man who is almost 50 finds a comment like that to be even remotely funny.

[GC]

I don't mind Jonathan Ross but the other two are about as funny as toothache, in my opinion of course.

I don't get my knickers in a twist about everything, quite the opposite in fact. I just think that it's completely unacceptable to mock someone because of a disability, particularly when it's come about through quite a traumatic accident. It's even more sad that a man who is almost 50 finds a comment like that to be even remotely funny.

I don't think there was anything calculated in what Clarkson said, he just let's him mouth run(one of the reasons I find him hillarious)

Could it be you are looking to far into it?

[Sir David Gray]

I don't think there was anything calculated in what Clarkson said, he just let's him mouth run(one of the reasons I find him hillarious)

Could it be you are looking to far into it?

I don't think I am looking too far into it, i'm simply taking his comments at face value. He described Gordon Brown as "a one-eyed Scottish idiot". I have nothing against the "idiot" part as he is entitled to that opinion. I don't even have a problem with the "Scottish" part, I certainly don't find it racist.

But to bring Brown's loss of an eye into it, is just pathetic and extremely low.

I hated the morons who chanted things at Dean Shiels and, as far as i'm concerned, Clarkson's comments are no different.

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Strikes me that if some folks were as exercised about the incompetent way Gordon Brown and his government have been running the country, and the general stink of sleaze and dishonesty that's emanated from Downing Street during Brown's incumbency (and that of his predeccessor) it might be more to the point.

Clarkson hasn't embroiled the country in an illegal war in Iraq and an unwinnable one in Afghanistan.

Clarkson hasn't been selling titles to rich men in return for party contributions.

And no one's going to have the bailiffs in foreclosing on his/her home mortgage because of his comments.

[Sylar]

Some of you guys need to learn to differentiate between xenophobia and racism!

That being said, I agree wholeheartedly with Doddie's post :agree:

[Hibbyradge]

Strikes me that if some folks were as exercised about the incompetent way Gordon Brown and his government have been running the country, and the general stink of sleaze and dishonesty that's emanated from Downing Street during Brown's incumbency (and that of his predeccessor) it might be more to the point.

Clarkson hasn't embroiled the country in an illegal war in Iraq and an unwinnable one in Afghanistan.

Clarkson hasn't been selling titles to rich men in return for party contributions.

And no one's going to have the bailiffs in foreclosing on his/her home mortgage because of his comments.

I'm quite surprised, Doddie.

It seems to me that you're suggesting two wrongs make a right.

You have an anti-Brown agenda and you're entitled to it. And so is Clarkson.

If he wants to call Brown an idiot whilst cozying up to a foreign nation, that's up to his judgement, but to insult disabled people and the Scottish nation whilst doing so, is not right.

[Woody1985]

Gordon Brown is a scottish bell end.

Would that make me a xenaphobe? I'm Scottish BTW....

[Hibbyradge]

Gordon Brown is a scottish bell end.

Would that make me a xenaphobe? I'm Scottish BTW....

It makes you a bell end.

What has his nationality got to do with it?

[Woody1985]

It makes you a bell end.

What has his nationality got to do with it?

Nothing.

I'm just wondering if someone could be classed as a Xenaphobe if they are part of the same nationality.

I know it would be stupid to use his nationality when calling him a bell end but it was hypothetical.

[Dashing Bob S]

Clarkson epitomises the middle-England right-wing chauvinistic 'wogs start at Calais' mentality. He obviously believes that Scots are inferiour to the English, (ironically Brown seems to agree with his own embarrassing stance on such issues) thus he used Brown's nationality as an insult, along with his disability.

An odious bore made for readers of the Daily Mail.

[Sylar]

Nothing.

I'm just wondering if someone could be classed as a Xenaphobe if they are part of the same nationality.

I know it would be stupid to use his nationality when calling him a bell end but it was hypothetical.

Clarkson is English, and obviously (like me) doesn't believe in "British" as a nationality.

It's a good question - can you be xenophobic against your own countrymen. Depends if you universally hate all Scots, and do everything in your power to hide the fact that your Scottish - Tony Blair comes across as a bit of Scottish Xenophobe, denouncing his Scottish-ness at every possible conjecture!

[Woody1985]

Clarkson is English, and obviously (like me) doesn't believe in "British" as a nationality.

It's a good question - can you be xenophobic against your own countrymen. Depends if you universally hate all Scots, and do everything in your power to hide the fact that your Scottish - Tony Blair comes across as a bit of Scottish Xenophobe, denouncing his Scottish-ness at every possible conjecture!

Could I be convicted of it if I were to say it to another Scottish person?

Just one of those strange ones that probably doesn't come up very often.

I know a guy who has an aunt that is married to an Italian, he is quite close to them and supports Italy more than he supports Scotland and when the two play he wants Italy to win. He doesn't have any other Itialian connection and it really used to pss me off when I was younger.

[Tomsk]

Brown is not an idiot. Everyone is entitled to their opionion -- whether that opinion is worth anything is another matter -- but those who describe the man as an idiot are way off the mark. One may disagree with everything he has done or uttered. And one may even put together a perfectly plausible case that his actions have been a disaster for the country. But an idiot he is not.

Personally, I think Brown and Labour in government have run their course. But the prospect of a bunch of public school Tories in charge of the country and of the economy during a recession fills me with dread. And if it's idiots you are looking for you're much closer to the mark looking George Osborne's way.

[steakbake]

Brown is not an idiot. Everyone is entitled to their opionion -- whether that opinion is worth anything is another matter -- but those who describe the man as an idiot are way off the mark. One may disagree with everything he has done or uttered. And one may even put together a perfectly plausible case that his actions have been a disaster for the country. But an idiot he is not.

Personally, I think Brown and Labour in government have run their course. But the prospect of a bunch of public school Tories in charge of the country and of the economy during a recession fills me with dread. And if it's idiots you are looking for you're much closer to the mark looking George Osborne's way.

Osborne is a tool. He's out of his depth.

I suspect though, that Scotland and voters here will not really have much influence on the outcome of the next UK general election if it goes the way many suspect it will.

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I'm quite surprised, Doddie.

It seems to me that you're suggesting two wrongs make a right.

You have an anti-Brown agenda and you're entitled to it. And so is Clarkson.

If he wants to call Brown an idiot whilst cozying up to a foreign nation, that's up to his judgement, but to insult disabled people and the Scottish nation whilst doing so, is not right.



Not at all.

I'm just surprised that a verbal insult seems to exercise people so much more than the conduct of a government that has managed over the years to reach quite spectacular depths of unethical behaviour.

Actually, Brown isn't 'Scottish' - he's 'British'. He says so himself. He's been cosying up to middle England ever since Tony Blair bequeathed him the country.

I agree the 'one-eyed' jibe was out of order. I also agree that calling him a 'one-eyed Scottish idiot' is as offensive as Dean Shiels being called a 'one-eyed Irish whatever' - as he has been by Hearts and St Mirren supporters among others.

I'm not suggesting two wrongs make a right - I'm just saying that we sometimes seem to be more easily upset by words whose effects are transitory, than by actions and policies that do long-term damage to a lot of people.

[Hibbyradge]

Not at all.

I'm just surprised that a verbal insult seems to exercise people so much more than the conduct of a government that has managed over the years to reach quite spectacular depths of unethical behaviour.

Actually, Brown isn't 'Scottish' - he's 'British'. He says so himself. He's been cosying up to middle England ever since Tony Blair bequeathed him the country.

I agree the 'one-eyed' jibe was out of order. I also agree that calling him a 'one-eyed Scottish idiot' is as offensive as Dean Shiels being called a 'one-eyed Irish whatever' - as he has been by Hearts and St Mirren supporters among others.

I'm not suggesting two wrongs make a right - I'm just saying that we sometimes seem to be more easily upset by words whose effects are transitory, than by actions and policies that do long-term damage to a lot of people.

Now whose values and beliefs are being imposed on others? :wink:

The subject matter in hand was Clarkson's insults.

I'd be happy to discuss politics with you. In the right forum, so to speak.

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I'm sorry, but I don't see in what way I'm imposing my values and beliefs on anyone here.

I simply passed a comment on the relative importance of Clarkson's jibes and the fairly difficult situation the country is in economically - and since Brown has been Chancellor or Prime Minister for the whole period of the Labour government, he has to take responsiblity for that situation. He's the guy in charge. The buck stops with him. Whether he's just the man responsible in the sense that things went pear-shaped on his watch, or the man to blame for the fact that they went pear-shaped - that's a matter of opinion, I agree, but since he was claiming to have 'saved the world' not so long ago, I would say he's fair game for criticism.

But I agree that that discussion shouldn't take place at the level Clarkson chose to take it to.

But there IS a difference between stating opinions, however forcefully, and imposing those opinions on others. And I'm not imposing my opinions on anyone - merely making them clear. :cool2:

[Hibbyradge]

I'm sorry, but I don't see in what way I'm imposing my values and beliefs on anyone here.

I simply passed a comment on the relative importance of Clarkson's jibes and the fairly difficult situation the country is in economically - and since Brown has been Chancellor or Prime Minister for the whole period of the Labour government, he has to take responsiblity for that situation. He's the guy in charge. The buck stops with him. Whether he's just the man responsible in the sense that things went pear-shaped on his watch, or the man to blame for the fact that they went pear-shaped - that's a matter of opinion, I agree, but since he was claiming to have 'saved the world' not so long ago, I would say he's fair game for criticism.

But I agree that that discussion shouldn't take place at the level Clarkson chose to take it to.

But there IS a difference between stating opinions, however forcefully, and imposing those opinions on others. And I'm not imposing my opinions on anyone - merely making them clear. :cool2:

Hence the wink in my post.

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Hence the wink in my post.


I didn't see it. :blushie:



And it seemed MUCH too good an excuse for a sermon to pass up....


:soapbox:




TRUTH is, I find it hard to imagine how one could effectively insult Gordon Brown..... :wink: