Could World War 3 break out

[CB_NO3]

With all this chaos in Gaza with Hamas and Israel could world war 3 break out. I noticed Lebanon are now getting involved and are firing rockets in northern Israel and its surely only the matter of time before the UK and USA get seriously involved. Am sure Iran will be sitting there aswell loving every minute of this waiting to pounce on Israel and who knows what the Egyptians are up to.

[Woody1985]

I don't think there will because it would pretty much be the end of the world because everyone would just nuke each other IMO.

The Israelis and the Palenstines should both F off IMO. :duck:

[Hibbyradge]

Israel has the nuclear bomb.

They won't need help.

[GhostofBolivar]

With all this chaos in Gaza with Hamas and Israel could world war 3 break out. I noticed Lebanon are now getting involved and are firing rockets in northern Israel and its surely only the matter of time before the UK and USA get seriously involved. Am sure Iran will be sitting there aswell loving every minute of this waiting to pounce on Israel and who knows what the Egyptians are up to.

The three biggest beneficiaries of US military aid are Israel, Colombia and Egypt. [Editor's note: Truth, justice or the American way, eh?]

Consequently, Egypt are not up to much since they don't want to upset their sugar daddy. That's why the border with Gaza has remained closed since Israel built the wall.

[Betty Boop]

The three biggest beneficiaries of US military aid are Israel, Colombia and Egypt. [Editor's note: Truth, justice or the American way, eh?]

Consequently, Egypt are not up to much since they don't want to upset their sugar daddy. That's why the border with Gaza has remained closed since Israel built the wall. No big deal I know, but Egypt opened the border with Gaza for a whole two days last August, to allow Gazans to access medical treatment and supplies. This was seen as a goodwill gesture before Ramadan! :rolleyes:

[Dashing Bob S]

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm actually off onto the Hibs site to cheer myself up.

[The_Todd]

I don't think there will because it would pretty much be the end of the world because everyone would just nuke each other IMO.


Mutually Assured Destruction.

It's pretty much what kept the Cold War, well, cold.

[matty_f]

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm actually off onto the Hibs site to cheer myself up.

:faf:

:top marks DBS - Legend.:agree:

[Killiehibbie]

We can all be sure if it does we will be in the cup final winning 3-0 with 5 minutes to go and the game is up for us all.

[The_Todd]

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm actually off onto the Hibs site to cheer myself up.

You're running out of options DBS - I think you should cough up a £10 PM fee and go into the PM forum. In there we're only discussing painless methods of suicide... :cool2:

[GC]

I don't think we will ever see a world war like what was seen in the first two.

To be honest the way the world is now I don't think there wil ever be another world war to be honest, it would as has been said earlier resuly in the almost near end of the human race:agree:

[GC]

Just to add question to this thread, if and it's a massive if World War 3 was to break out.

Who would be involved and on what side?

[Ed De Gramo]

If it ever got to the point of a World War 3....i ain't fighting.....this is clearly not our fight and hopefully Brown (who looks like a sad face drawn onto a scrotum *Thanks Frankie Boyle :greengrin) will stay outta it.....

[Flynn]

Just to add question to this thread, if and it's a massive if World War 3 was to break out.

Who would be involved and on what side?

IMO:

USA, UK, Israel, Some of Europe and most fundamentalist Christian countries

Vs

Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela and most fundamentalist Muslim countries



Will be either a religious war between Islam and Christianity or many smaller resource wars, fighting over the remaining scraps of fossil fuels left in the middle east (primarily) and other OPEC countries.

[GC]

IMO:

USA, UK, Israel, Some of Europe and most fundamentalist Christian countries

Vs

Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela and most fundamentalist Muslim countries



Will be either a religious war between Islam and Christianity or many smaller resource wars, fighting over the remaining scraps of fossil fuels left in the middle east (primarily) and other OPEC countries.

Pretty much what I thought, and if this was a World War on a major scale ie: not a dozen or so small scale wars then it would almost certainly end be Armageddon.

[Nando™]

To be honest I think there are already plans being made to completely wipe out the UK by these nutters in the east.

To do that to the USA would be a tall order though...

[The_Todd]

IMO:

USA, UK, Israel, Some of Europe and most fundamentalist Christian countries

Vs

Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela and most fundamentalist Muslim countries



Will be either a religious war between Islam and Christianity or many smaller resource wars, fighting over the remaining scraps of fossil fuels left in the middle east (primarily) and other OPEC countries.

Are we playing "Fantasy Armageddon"? If we are then that's a meaty lineup you got there.

[Chuckie]

I'm no dying for these ********...

[LiverpoolHibs]

Are we playing "Fantasy Armageddon"? If we are then that's a meaty lineup you got there.

:tee hee:


To be honest I think there are already plans being made to completely wipe out the UK by these nutters in the east.

Erm, who?

[Killiehibbie]

So if ww3 is in part christian v fundamental islam does that mean Bush and Blair will go down in history as heroes for taking the war to them? What about that other modern day crusader Milosevich who reckoned he only killed muslims to protect the rest of Europe.

[Hibrandenburg]

The first skirmishes to WW III are already taking place as we speak. How can peace be made with a society that believes the political ideology of Islam must be brought to all countries of the world, even if this means by force.

History has shown that when two great cultures grow up next to each other, then one will eventually destroy the other. There's not many things that would make me reach for my gun, but the above is one of them.

[Woody1985]

The first skirmishes to WW III are already taking place as we speak. How can peace be made with a society that believes the political ideology of Islam must be brought to all countries of the world, even if this means by force.

History has shown that when two great cultures grow up next to each other, then one will eventually destroy the other. There's not many things that would make me reach for my gun, but the above is one of them.

I was going to raise thie but couldn't be rsedd getting into another big debate that turns into racism :blah::blah::blah:.

I recall one of the Muslim leaders reportedly saying that Islamist will never rest until they have a Muslim in number 10. Why would that be if they respect other ways of life etc?!

On a slightly separate note, Amir Khan, I used to like him and then he said he wouldn't fight one of his Muslim brothers when asked if he would face Naseem. WTF

There is potential for war but I think it will all depend on who China build relations with as their country develops into a major world player ie greater than America currently. I suspect we'd be in for a tough ride if China, Russia and Middle Eastern countries line up against us.

[Chuckie]

I was going to raise thie but couldn't be rsedd getting into another big debate that turns into racism :blah::blah::blah:.

I recall one of the Muslim leaders reportedly saying that Islamist will never rest until they have a Muslim in number 10. Why would that be if they respect other ways of life etc?!

On a slightly separate note, Amir Khan, I used to like him and then he said he wouldn't fight one of his Muslim brothers when asked if he would face Naseem. WTF

There is potential for war but I think it will all depend on who China build relations with as their country develops into a major world player ie greater than America currently. I suspect we'd be in for a tough ride if China, Russia and Middle Eastern countries line up against us.

I've never met a Chinese person and thought, "I couldn't take him in a square go".

They're only wee guys man.

Easy.

[Killiehibbie]

I've never met a Chinese person and thought, "I couldn't take him in a square go".

They're only wee guys man.

Easy.

One at a time easy but wait until a billion of them are running at you.

[GC]

I've never met a Chinese person and thought, "I couldn't take him in a square go".

They're only wee guys man.

Easy.


One at a time easy but wait until a billion of them are running at you.

No way guys, you never seen those Kung Fu movies.

We'd be dead men:agree:

[Woody1985]

i've never met a chinese person and thought, "i couldn't take him in a square go".

they're only wee guys man.

Easy.

:lol:

[1two]

Israel has the nuclear bomb.

They won't need help.

Sure i read somewhere that the death ratio between israel:palestine is something like 5:400

Surely as a 'christian' country it wouldn't be israel we go to help?:confused:

And I don't agree or even understand the views of either the countries, but the figures are frightening!

[Killiehibbie]

Sure i read somewhere that the death ratio between israel:palestine is something like 5:400

Surely as a 'christian' country it wouldn't be israel we go to help?:confused:

And I don't agree or even understand the views of either the countries, but the figures are frightening!


If the other side has promised to wipe you off the face of the Earth who would you side with?

[1two]

If the other side has promised to wipe you off the face of the Earth who would you side with?

I'm not saying your wrong but 5:400 deaths!

Surely its the other side trying to wipe them off the face of the earth!

Could this be americas excuse for a future invasion of Iran?

WW3 is very possible!

[steakbake]

I dont think this current situation will lead to WW3. It would have done already if it was going to.

The most likely source for WW3 is between Pakistan and India, I reckon.

Egypt have a humanitarian and cultural interest in Gaza, but no strategic interest.

Lebanon is not interested in having a brush with the Israelis and Iran, if it wanted to wipe out Israel, would have probably given it a damn good go before now.

[Mon Dieu4]

IMO:

USA, UK, Israel, Some of Europe and most fundamentalist Christian countries

Vs

Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela and most fundamentalist Muslim countries



Will be either a religious war between Islam and Christianity or many smaller resource wars, fighting over the remaining scraps of fossil fuels left in the middle east (primarily) and other OPEC countries.

I want to be on Venezuela's side, I think Hugo Chavez is great :cool2:

[Nando™]

Erm, who?
The folk that are already over here blowing people up...

[LiverpoolHibs]

The folk that are already over here blowing people up...

So, to paraphrase...

So the nutters in the 'East' (that's quite a big area) trying to wipe out the UK are the one's over here already blowing people (and presumably themselves) up.

Just so we're clear...

[lyonhibs]

To be honest I think there are already plans being made to completely wipe out the UK by these nutters in the east.

To do that to the USA would be a tall order though...

Wow, you've just cut through all the political and cultural complexities of the whole Israel/Palestine/Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan/India/Pakistan/Kashmir (I guess that's what you mean by "the East" - just a whole lot of nutters wearing tea-towels blowing each other to buggery?) situations and the scales have fallen from my eyes.

I guess we'd best just beat them to the punch and follow Uncle George's whizz idea of "attacking anyone you think liable to attack you, just in case" and bomb the whole lot into the middle of next week.

Sorted.

[LiverpoolHibs]

Wow, you've just cut through all the political and cultural complexities of the whole Israel/Palestine/Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan/India/Pakistan/Kashmir (I guess that's what you mean by "the East" - just a whole lot of nutters wearing tea-towels blowing each other to buggery?) situations and the scales have fallen from my eyes.

I guess we'd best just beat them to the punch and follow Uncle George's whizz idea of "attacking anyone you think liable to attack you, just in case" and bomb the whole lot into the middle of next week.

Sorted.

Edward Said will be turning in his grave. :wink:

[Mon Dieu4]

Edward Said will be turning in his grave. :wink:

He is obviously a trouble maker then, lets bomb him:faf:

[The_Todd]

To be honest I think there are already plans being made to completely wipe out the UK by these nutters in the east.



On behalf of the entire East Stand, I resent the implication of this statement.

Apart from a slight dislike of some folk from the West (hereby labelled the "Pink Side" of the city - defined as anything west of Haymarket), we're a mostly peaceful people. We have no plans to wipe out anybody, except the current manager of Hibernian Football Club.

That is all.

Signed

The East.

[Sir David Gray]

I don't want to go through the whole current situation in the Middle East, as I've already made my views quite clear in the other thread on this board.

What I will do is reiterate something that I mentioned in that thread, which is that I strongly believe something resembling WWIII will eventually happen and it will be connected with the situation in the Middle East, in some way or another.

I don't know when this will take place. It could start next month, next year or in the next decade. What I do believe is, that every time something erupts in that region, this "WWIII" is one step closer to taking place.

[Woody1985]

I don't want to go through the whole current situation in the Middle East, as I've already made my views quite clear in the other thread on this board.

What I will do is reiterate something that I mentioned in that thread, which is that I strongly believe something resembling WWIII will eventually happen and it will be connected with the situation in the Middle East, in some way or another.

I don't know when this will take place. It could start next month, next year or in the next decade. What I do believe is, that every time something erupts in that region, this "WWIII" is one step closer to taking place.

To say it's not would be naive to say the least.

[LiverpoolHibs]

If people are genuinely interested in this supposed 'clash of civilisations' (bleurgh) I'd strongly suggest they watch the Adam Curtis' brilliant documentary The Power of Nightmares. Which charts the corresponding rise of Islamism (N.B. different to Islam) and American neo-conservatism. It's probably the best political documentary I've ever seen.

Are we ok to post links to google video?

[Storar]

Wow, you've just cut through all the political and cultural complexities of the whole Israel/Palestine/Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan/India/Pakistan/Kashmir (I guess that's what you mean by "the East" - just a whole lot of nutters wearing tea-towels blowing each other to buggery?) situations and the scales have fallen from my eyes.

I guess we'd best just beat them to the punch and follow Uncle George's whizz idea of "attacking anyone you think liable to attack you, just in case" and bomb the whole lot into the middle of next week.

Sorted.
What a load of ****.

You've just gone and put a whole load of words in his mouth, words he never said just to make him look like a bad ******* so you can come across all high and might:rolleyes:

Does that mean when people refer to the Old Firm as 'The Bigots From The West' they are trying to imply that everyone in the west is a bigot? Because going by your logic that's exactly what they mean:rolleyes:

[Storar]

If people are genuinely interested in this supposed 'clash of civilisations' (bleurgh) I'd strongly suggest they watch the Adam Curtis' brilliant documentary The Power of Nightmares. Which charts the corresponding rise of Islamism (N.B. different to Islam) and American neo-conservatism. It's probably the best political documentary I've ever seen.

Are we ok to post links to google video?

If not you could maybe drop me a PM:wink:

As long as it isn't a load of one sided, fabricated pap:greengrin

[--------]

Wow, you've just cut through all the political and cultural complexities of the whole Israel/Palestine/Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan/India/Pakistan/Kashmir (I guess that's what you mean by "the East" - just a whole lot of nutters wearing tea-towels blowing each other to buggery?) situations and the scales have fallen from my eyes.

I guess we'd best just beat them to the punch and follow Uncle George's whizz idea of "attacking anyone you think liable to attack you, just in case" and bomb the whole lot into the middle of next week.

Sorted.


:agree: Oliver Cromwell had the right idea. :devil:

[LiverpoolHibs]

If people are genuinely interested in this supposed 'clash of civilisations' (bleurgh) I'd strongly suggest they watch the Adam Curtis' brilliant documentary The Power of Nightmares. Which charts the corresponding rise of Islamism (N.B. different to Islam) and American neo-conservatism. It's probably the best political documentary I've ever seen.

Are we ok to post links to google video?


If not you could maybe drop me a PM:wink:

As long as it isn't a load of one sided, fabricated pap:greengrin

I'm sure it'll be alright.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=power+of+nightmares#

It's in three hour-long parts so it requires a bit of effort, but it's well worth it.

[GC]

On behalf of the entire East Stand, I resent the implication of this statement.

Apart from a slight dislike of some folk from the West (hereby labelled the "Pink Side" of the city - defined as anything west of Haymarket), we're a mostly peaceful people. We have no plans to wipe out anybody, except the current manager of Hibernian Football Club.

That is all.

Signed

The East.

I agree, however who elected you speaker of the East:grr::wink:

I demand a fair and unbiased election to be called:agree:

[GlesgaeHibby]

I was going to raise thie but couldn't be rsedd getting into another big debate that turns into racism :blah::blah::blah:.

I recall one of the Muslim leaders reportedly saying that Islamist will never rest until they have a Muslim in number 10. Why would that be if they respect other ways of life etc?!

On a slightly separate note, Amir Khan, I used to like him and then he said he wouldn't fight one of his Muslim brothers when asked if he would face Naseem. WTF

There is potential for war but I think it will all depend on who China build relations with as their country develops into a major world player ie greater than America currently. I suspect we'd be in for a tough ride if China, Russia and Middle Eastern countries line up against us.

And I'd be straight out the country, along with many others if there was a Muslim PM that tried to put sharia law into practice in Britain.

[Hibrandenburg]

And I'd be straight out the country, along with many others if there was a Muslim PM that tried to put sharia law into practice in Britain.

A lot of Germans in the East thought that after the last WW and look what happened to them.

[LiverpoolHibs]

And I'd be straight out the country, along with many others if there was a Muslim PM that tried to put sharia law into practice in Britain.

Why on earth is that even a concern? :confused:

[horseman]

Why on earth is that even a concern? :confused:


hmmm sharia law ? stone adulters to death ...... nice , cut hands and feet off ....... nice , when do we start ?

[LiverpoolHibs]

hmmm sharia law ? stone adulters to death ...... nice , cut hands and feet off ....... nice , when do we start ?

You misunderstand...

It is not going to happen, so why on earth is someone saying what course of action they would take if it did. It seems a bizarre thing to say.

[Betty Boop]

hmmm sharia law ? stone adulters to death ...... nice , cut hands and feet off ....... nice , when do we start ?
Why would there be Sharia law in the UK?

[Nando™]

Glad everyone understands :cool2:

[Storar]

Glad everyone understands :cool2:

Arsrot defends

[Hibrandenburg]

Why would there be Sharia law in the UK?

Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, ... the objective of Islamic 'Jihad' is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system.

[Nando™]

Arsrot defends
I knew I forgot something :embarrass :party:

[LiverpoolHibs]

Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, ... the objective of Islamic 'Jihad' is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system.

No. You are using 'Islam' and 'Islamism' synonymously. When they are, in fact, very different.

[Hibrandenburg]

No. You are using 'Islam' and 'Islamism' synonymously. When they are, in fact, very different.

I do realise the difference and one is born of the other.

Anyway I was quoting a leading Islamic figure and I guess he'd know a little bit more about the subject than your good self.

[LiverpoolHibs]

I do realise the difference and one is born of the other.

Anyway I was quoting a leading Islamic figure and I guess he'd know a little bit more about the subject than your good self.

That would depend. The fact that he's using Islam and Islamism synonymously would suggest he's a bit skew-whiff.

One is born of the other in the same way that any religious-supremacist premised political ideology is born from the religion it's predicated on.

Who is it from, out of interest.

[Hibrandenburg]

That would depend. The fact that he's using Islam and Islamism synonymously would suggest he's a bit skew-whiff.

One is born of the other in the same way that any religious-supremacist premised political ideology is born from the religion it's predicated on.

Who is it from, out of interest.

An Indian born Muslim scholar called Abul Ala Maududi.

[LiverpoolHibs]

An Indian born Muslim scholar called Abul Ala Maududi.

Ah, I think he makes an appearence in the documentary I mentioned (and posted a link to) above - as a big influence on Qutb.

[--------]

Ah, I think he makes an appearence in the documentary I mentioned (and posted a link to) above - as a big influence on Qutb.


He was a pretty extreme Islamist, I think, and would therefore probably equate Islam and Islamism as one and the same thing. Dead now.

[hibsdaft]

Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, ... the objective of Islamic 'Jihad' is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system.

fortunately, most Muslims don't appear to believe in this, even if it is arguably whats written down in the books (i have no time for religion so will not waste my time defending the books or otherwise). similarely there is some seriously vile stuff written in the old Christian books that very few believe today, or are even aware of.

unfortunately though, many events this decade have driven some of these rational people into the hands of the nutters. when only 1 guy is putting up a decent fight against the people who are ****ting on you, it becomes easy to overlook the fact that the guy defending you is actually a grade A ****.

so what is happening right now in Palestine is an absolute disaster for the UK.

we can argue all day about whether its justified by the Hamas rockets, but thats really missing the bigger picture. even though world opinion is massively against the events nobody has been able or willing to stop it.

and i believe its now Al Qaeda that stand to gain most from this situation: Hamas have been pretty ineffectual and are not looking powerful right now.

Al Qaeda and their ilk must be absolutely desparate to carry out an attack against Israel now, its the biggest propaganda open goal they will ever have. to say, look, we were the only people willing and able to stand 'shoulder to shoulder' with the Palestinians when nobody else would.

its wrong and its tragic, but they will get a big, big PR victory if they pull that off.

if the West (or whatever we want to call it) is so thick that it gifts Al Qaeda that role then we are all doomed.

the West has to look at the bigger picture and be clever, rather getting drawn into the quadmire hook line and sinker every time.

[--------]

Ah, I think he makes an appearence in the documentary I mentioned (and posted a link to) above - as a big influence on Qutb.



Just watched them - if it wasn't so terrifying, it'd be comical.

Brigadier: "The hunt for Al Qaeda and the Taliban goes on, and we stand shoulder to shoulder with our American allies in the war against terror!"

FIVE WEEKS LATER

Reporter: "Brigadier, how many Al Qaeda have you found?"

Brigadier: "Erm, we haven't managed to find any."

Reporter: "And how many have you killed?"

Brigadier: "We haven't killed any."

Why?

Because there's no such organisation as Al Qaeda....

Someone in the White House made it ALL up.

[horseman]

[quote=Doddie;1907535]Just watched them - if it wasn't so terrifying, it'd be comical.

Brigadier: "The hunt for Al Qaeda and the Taliban goes on, and we stand shoulder to shoulder with our American allies in the war against terror!"

FIVE WEEKS LATER

Reporter: "Brigadier, how many Al Qaeda have you found?"

Brigadier: "Erm, we haven't managed to find any."

Reporter: "And how many have you killed?"

Brigadier: "We haven't killed any."

Why?

Because there's no such organisation as Al Qaeda....

Someone in the White House made it ALL up.[/quo

so who crashed the passenger jets into the world trade center killing almost 4k people??..................

[GC]

[quote=Doddie;1907535]Just watched them - if it wasn't so terrifying, it'd be comical.

Brigadier: "The hunt for Al Qaeda and the Taliban goes on, and we stand shoulder to shoulder with our American allies in the war against terror!"

FIVE WEEKS LATER

Reporter: "Brigadier, how many Al Qaeda have you found?"

Brigadier: "Erm, we haven't managed to find any."

Reporter: "And how many have you killed?"

Brigadier: "We haven't killed any."

Why?

Because there's no such organisation as Al Qaeda....

Someone in the White House made it ALL up.[/quo

so who crashed the passenger jets into the world trade center killing almost 4k people??..................

Goverment plot if you believe some.

Personally I don;t feel Al Queda are as organised as they are made out to be, I think it is easier for small cells to operate under that chosen name however as it given them notoriety.

[Killiehibbie]

[quote=horseman;1907589]

Goverment plot if you believe some.

Personally I don;t feel Al Queda are as organised as they are made out to be, I think it is easier for small cells to operate under that chosen name however as it given them notoriety.

Is that not what Al Queda is lots of different cells loosely affiliated by their common goal? A bit like the Russian revolutionaries/gangsters who banded together to overthrow the tsar then fought and killed each other.

[GC]

My point was that Al Queda are not as ranked and organised as a terrorist unit as they are made out to be. ie: the command comes from the very top and is then carried out by soldiers of the organisation.

More a group of men/women who have decided to go it alone and to use the name of Al Queda is by far a better way to get yourself heard once the attack has been carried out.

[Sir David Gray]

We might not need a Muslim Prime Minister for Sharia Law to be introduced into the UK.

Last year, the most senior judge in England, at the time of writing, said that Muslims should be able to use Sharia Law for certain aspects of daily life.

That view is echoed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, who claimed that the adoption of Sharia Law in the UK is "unavoidable".

And in a poll of British Muslims from 2006, 40% of those asked, indicated a willingness to see Sharia Law introduced in the UK.

[--------]

[quote=Doddie;1907535]Just watched them - if it wasn't so terrifying, it'd be comical.

Brigadier: "The hunt for Al Qaeda and the Taliban goes on, and we stand shoulder to shoulder with our American allies in the war against terror!"

FIVE WEEKS LATER

Reporter: "Brigadier, how many Al Qaeda have you found?"

Brigadier: "Erm, we haven't managed to find any."

Reporter: "And how many have you killed?"

Brigadier: "We haven't killed any."

Why?

Because there's no such organisation as Al Qaeda....

Someone in the White House made it ALL up.[/quo

so who crashed the passenger jets into the world trade center killing almost 4k people??..................


A freelance group of Islamist terrorists.

The point being that there is no world-wide network of Al Qaeda cells plotting mayhem, and never has been. But why don't you follow up LiverpoolHibs' link and watch the films yourself?

[hibsdaft]

And I'd be straight out the country, along with many others if there was a Muslim PM that tried to put sharia law into practice in Britain.

for the record, polls carried out in the last few years indicate that most muslims in the UK do not want Shariah law in the UK, or even just in areas where they are highly concentrated such as Bradford etc.

unfortunately this barely got a mention during the media storm last year when the Archbishop of Canterbury strangely suggested its introduction in parts of the UK was inevitable.

edit: beaten to it by FalkirkHibee, albeit without his own fearmongering spin ;-)

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for the record, polls carried out in the last few years indicate that most muslims in the UK do not want Shariah law in the UK, or even just in areas where they are highly concentrated such as Bradford etc.

unfortunately this barely got a mention during the media storm last year when the Archbishop of Canterbury strangely suggested its introduction in parts of the UK was inevitable.

edit: beaten to it by FalkirkHibee, albeit without his own fearmongering spin ;-)


Been said already, but can't be said often enough - Islam is one thing, Islamism is something very different.

[Woody1985]

Why on earth is that even a concern? :confused:

IMO it's people like you that would be walked over by another person/religion if anything ever did happen.

I don't think people of other faiths etc are as tolerant as people like you. I mean no disrespect because it's people with your opinions etc that are trying to change the world and make it a better place. However, we'll never live in an ideal world and make everyone have the same ideas.

Sometimes you just have to say '**** it'.

[Hibrandenburg]

IMO it's people like you that would be walked over by another person/religion if anything ever did happen.

I don't think people of other faiths etc are as tolerant as people like you. I mean no disrespect because it's people with your opinions etc that are trying to change the world and make it a better place. However, we'll never live in an ideal world and make everyone have the same ideas.

Sometimes you just have to say '**** it'.

Your not calling Liverpool a Peacenik are you? Get your :tin hat: on and the earmuffs out.

[LiverpoolHibs]

IMO it's people like you that would be walked over by another person/religion if anything ever did happen.

I don't think people of other faiths etc are as tolerant as people like you. I mean no disrespect because it's people with your opinions etc that are trying to change the world and make it a better place. However, we'll never live in an ideal world and make everyone have the same ideas.

Sometimes you just have to say '**** it'.

I think there are plenty of people as tolerant as me. And probably lots moreso, because I'm not particularly tolerant - at least not in the tentative liberal-bourgeois sense of the word. I am, however, capable of reasoning who my real enemies are


Your not calling Liverpool a Peacenik are you? Get your :tin hat: on and the earmuffs out.

:tee hee:

[Sir David Gray]

for the record, polls carried out in the last few years indicate that most muslims in the UK do not want Shariah law in the UK, or even just in areas where they are highly concentrated such as Bradford etc.

unfortunately this barely got a mention during the media storm last year when the Archbishop of Canterbury strangely suggested its introduction in parts of the UK was inevitable.

edit: beaten to it by FalkirkHibee, albeit without his own fearmongering spin ;-)

No fearmongering spin from me. I just quoted two examples of high profile individuals who are advocating the introduction of Sharia Law, at least in part, in the UK.

And I also made reference to a poll where a high number of British Muslims indicated that they wanted Sharia Law in Britain.

Not too sure how that's spin, when you're quoting facts.

[LiverpoolHibs]

We might not need a Muslim Prime Minister for Sharia Law to be introduced into the UK.

Last year, the most senior judge in England, at the time of writing, said that Muslims should be able to use Sharia Law for certain aspects of daily life.

That view is echoed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, who claimed that the adoption of Sharia Law in the UK is "unavoidable".

And in a poll of British Muslims from 2006, 40% of those asked, indicated a willingness to see Sharia Law introduced in the UK.

So that's about 1.5% of the populace of the United Kingdom. Batten down the hatches!!

Your references to Lord Phillips and the A. of C. are hugely disengenuous. I wonder if you object as strongly to the Jewish courts that operate in the U.K. already? :wink:

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Is that not what Al Queda is lots of different cells loosely affiliated by their common goal? A bit like the Russian revolutionaries/gangsters who banded together to overthrow the tsar then fought and killed each other.


Not according to the film. Bin Laden was a source of finance, but there was no affiliation, no organisation, jst groups of extremists working independently of one another.

The point being that the Al Qaeda talk was scaremongering by politicians like Bush and Blair and their cronies to give them an excuse to attack our civil liberties.

There are lots and lots of far-right "Christian" fundamentalists (mostly in the US) convinced that sooner rather than later the Israeli problem will escalate into the full-scale end-of-the-world Battle of Armageddon. They even have a timetable worked out.

Now that's up to them - they have the right to freedom of belief. But they shouldn't be turning a blind eye to injustice and oppression in the meantime.

The US is a society ruled by fear right now - irrational fear stoked up by lying politicians and journalists (and preachers, I have to say).

But they genuinely believe they've been divinely-called to destroy evil and save the world....

[Kaiser_Sauzee]

Sure i read somewhere that the death ratio between israel:palestine is something like 5:400

Surely as a 'christian' country it wouldn't be israel we go to help?:confused:

And I don't agree or even understand the views of either the countries, but the figures are frightening!

Or 1:80? :greengrin :wink:

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Sure i read somewhere that the death ratio between israel:palestine is something like 5:400

Surely as a 'christian' country it wouldn't be israel we go to help?:confused:

And I don't agree or even understand the views of either the countries, but the figures are frightening!

We aren't a "Christian" country, or anything like it. We're a country where some of our citizens are Christians, others are of other faiths, and our government is about as amoral and corrupt as it can be.

We will do whatever we perceive to be in our best interests, and damn anyone who gets hurt in the process.


Or 1:80? :greengrin :wink:

However you put the figures, Kaiser, it ain't a fair fight. :bitchy:

[Sir David Gray]

So that's about 1.5% of the populace of the United Kingdom. Batten down the hatches!!

Your references to Lord Phillips and the A. of C. are hugely disengenuous. I wonder if you object as strongly to the Jewish courts that operate in the U.K. already? :wink:

I don't see how my references to those two people are "hugely disengenuous". The Lord was the most senior Judge in England & Wales when he made his remarks and Rowan Williams is the most senior individual within the Church of England.

Of course I object to Jewish laws in Britain. I'm assuming your 'wink' is related to my comments in the thread on the Middle East. Just because I support the Jewish state of Israel, doesn't mean that I support the UK having Jewish laws.

However, there is one slight difference between Sharia Law and Jewish Law. Many people of the Islamic faith want the whole world to be Muslim and to adhere to their laws and principles and if people won't turn willingly to Islam, they'll be forced into doing so. In my opinion, having Sharia Law playing a part, in any way, shape or form, in the UK legal system, would be an indication of that starting to happen in Britain and, as far as i'm concerned, it would be completely unacceptable.

There are reported to be 2 million Muslims in the UK today, and whilst you're right in saying that they make up around 1.5-2% of the overall population, many areas in England (such as Blackburn, Bradford, Birmingham, Leicester and several areas of London) are either majority Muslim areas or areas with a sizeable minority of Muslims, where they make up as much as 40% of the overall population of that area. I can realistically see a time where the people in such places will begin to push for Islamic Law to be implemented in their local area.

In contrast, there are 280,000 Jews in the UK, with around 70% of them based in London. There are more Muslims in London than Jews in the whole of the United Kingdom.

I don't agree with either having a place in the British legal system but, in my opinion, the possible adoption of Sharia Law has far more serious consequences to the future of our country, than any current Jewish Laws.

There are already accusations being aimed at the Muslim community that they are not doing enough to integrate within British society. Having Sharia Law will do nothing but harm relations between Muslims and non-Muslims in this country.

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So that's about 1.5% of the populace of the United Kingdom. Batten down the hatches!!

Your references to Lord Phillips and the A. of C. are hugely disengenuous. I wonder if you object as strongly to the Jewish courts that operate in the U.K. already? :wink:


Exactly how do those Jewish courts work, and how do they link up with the English legal system, Liverpool?

(Remembering that Scots law is different.)

[hibsdaft]

still don't have a clue what your on about FH.

anyone in britain can start banging on about shariah law being inevitable but that means **** all. it'll take a large section of the UK voting for it, and a party who favours it (and not one party has even considered considering the idea as it would be electoral suicide) is voted in, for it to happen and that is not going to happen in a million years.

right now according to yourself not even 1% of the UK favour it being brought even in only very specific areas.

if it was inevitable i too would be concerned and i can say that i would be more than happy to resort myself to violence to oppose stuff like limb chopping and systematic anti-women/ gay laws being employed in any part of the country i live in (altho i am not actually convinced Shariah necessarily means these things).

but its not.

[LiverpoolHibs]

Exactly how do those Jewish courts work, and how do they link up with the English legal system, Liverpool?

(Remembering that Scots law is different.)

I don't know a great deal about it (Beth Din), but I think it's mainly used for business conflicts, divorce cases and other general arbitration of civil cases, and based on the idea that both sides accept the ruling whatever. I'm not sure of the differences in England and Scotland

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I don't know a great deal about it (Beth Din), but I think it's mainly used for business conflicts, divorce cases and other general arbitration of civil cases, and based on the idea that both sides accept the ruling whatever. I'm not sure of the differences in England and Scotland



So it's not applied to criminal cases, and its application depends on both parties agreeing to use it rather than English civil law.

Thanks. That seems to me to be an entirely reasonable application of a particular code of law wthin a recognisable ethnic group to deal with matters concerning only members of tha ethnic group.

Not the same as applying sharia law to criminal cases, or using sharia to enforce arranged marriages against the wishes of the parties, for example.

[Woody1985]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the oil and gas reserves in the Arctic. Russia are apparently claiming it's theirs as the sea bed is attached to their country (pushing it I know) but they are now deploying military to the area to secure their 'right' to fuels.

America and a few others are contesting this.

Wouldn't it be great if we could all say 'well this is the last decent bit of oil and gas we're ever gonna get out this world. How about we all share it to the benefit of everyone'. :faf:

[Betty Boop]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the oil and gas reserves in the Arctic. Russia are apparently claiming it's theirs as the sea bed is attached to their country (pushing it I know) but they are now deploying military to the area to secure their 'right' to fuels.

America and a few others are contesting this.

Wouldn't it be great if we could all say 'well this is the last decent bit of oil and gas we're ever gonna get out this world. How about we all share it to the benefit of everyone'. :faf:
What a surprise, don't you know all the oil in the World belongs to them? :rolleyes: