How Come He Didn't Get the Jail?

[Greentinted]

Can someone explain how this offender managed to escape prison when others are sent down for a helluva lot less?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7826013.stm

[Hibrandenburg]

Can someone explain how this offender managed to escape prison when others are sent down for a helluva lot less?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7826013.stm

Hearts pin and the funny handshake?

[Sir David Gray]

People found guilty of such a crime should be jailed for life, or at least held in some sort of secure hospital. You cannot rehabilitate the vast majority of sex offenders, especially paedophiles. It's just in them.

For this guy to get just 150 hours community service and 3 years probation, when some people have been given custodial sentences for refusing to pay their council tax, is shocking.

[Pete]

People found guilty of such a crime should be jailed for life, or at least held in some sort of secure hospital. You cannot rehabilitate the vast majority of sex offenders, especially paedophiles. It's just in them.

For this guy to get just 150 hours community service and 3 years probation, when some people have been given custodial sentences for refusing to pay their council tax, is shocking.

This should be the automatic punishment for posessing "images at the serious end of the scale".

These sorts of images don't magically appear from nowhere...people pay for them and this encourages their creation and circulation. Once the image is out there it's a constant reminder to the victim...if they ever live to see it.

You wonder why the people at the very top of the justice tree don't come down on this like a ton of bricks....

...then again it's bloody obvious.

[Sir David Gray]

This should be the automatic punishment for posessing "images at the serious end of the scale".

These sorts of images don't magically appear from nowhere...people pay for them and this encourages their creation and circulation. Once the image is out there it's a constant reminder to the victim...if they ever live to see it.

You wonder why the people at the very top of the justice tree don't come down on this like a ton of bricks....

...then again it's bloody obvious.

Exactly.

Some people use the argument that it's not as bad because you're not personally abusing anyone. The people who do the raping or whatever other disgusting things they do to those poor children, should be looked upon as the worst of the worst. But the people who pay to watch and look at that kind of stuff, whilst getting some sort of sexual gratification from it, are allowing the sexual abuse of children to go unchecked and are basically condoning it. Which is sick in itself.

[Hibrandenburg]

Exactly.

Some people use the argument that it's not as bad because you're not personally abusing anyone. The people who do the raping or whatever other disgusting things they do to those poor children, should be looked upon as the worst of the worst. But the people who pay to watch and look at that kind of stuff, whilst getting some sort of sexual gratification from it, are allowing the sexual abuse of children to go unchecked and are basically condoning it. Which is sick in itself.

Spot on mate, I'd just exchange the bit in bold with encouraging. :agree:

[GC]

I live in the Village, not long moved here and enroled my son in the school when this all broke out.

I swear if I ever see this man in person I will kill him and so will alot of parents from around here.

[Killiehibbie]

The sentence reflects the perceived seriousness of the crime in the eyes of the law. Is it punishment enough for him to lose his job and be placed on probation? It could be as long as they cut his knackers off as well.

[Phil D. Rolls]

:Devils Advocate Smilie: What purpose would sending him to jail have served? It would surely increase the liklihood of his re-offending as he would mix with others of a similair persauasion.

[Hibrandenburg]

:Devils Advocate Smilie: What purpose would sending him to jail have served? It would surely increase the liklihood of his re-offending as he would mix with others of a similair persauasion.

Ah, so you're for stringing him up by the bollocks as well then.

[hibsbollah]

I live in the Village, not long moved here and enroled my son in the school when this all broke out.

I swear if I ever see this man in person I will kill him and so will alot of parents from around here.

You swear you will kill him?:dizzy:
I can't believe there has been no mention of 'political correctness gone mad' yet :rolleyes:

[GC]

You swear you will kill him?:dizzy:
I can't believe there has been no mention of 'political correctness gone mad' yet :rolleyes:

Okay, that was probably a little too far, I would never do that and it was more a statement of anger.

But considering that I had just moved to Whitecraig and my son has joined there the week before all this came out.

I was pretty annoyed at what I was hearing and on top of that you get a sentence like he has been given.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Ah, so you're for stringing him up by the bollocks as well then.

It's the only language they understand.

[Steve-O]

Sheriff Alistair Noble, sitting in Edinburgh Sheriff Court on Tuesday, said the sentence was appropriate in view of his exemplary service as a teacher, the impact on his family and the fact that a relatively small number of images were involved, and a very small number at the highest levels of pornography.

People are sent to jail if they are considered a danger to the public. He has done wrong looking at these images but it would appear he is unlikely to literally cause harm to anyone.

The fact is there is not enough space or cash to keep people in jail for offences like this when there are far more dangerous people to consider.

[RyeSloan]

Interesting one as jail is seen as the 'proper' punishment for crimes but often only causes more crime.

The judge has placed quite a number of restrictions and 'forced' help along with the community service and I wonder if this is actually a much better solution than merely putting the person behind bars for a relatively short period.

Still despite my head saying that modern sentancing makes sense you do have to think that a teacher caught with child porn is a despicable case and that somehow even a jail term or whatever type of sentance that can be handed down by the courts is never going to be adequate punishment.

[Bamba]

People found guilty of such a crime should be jailed for life, or at least held in some sort of secure hospital. You cannot rehabilitate the vast majority of sex offenders, especially paedophiles. It's just in them.

For this guy to get just 150 hours community service and 3 years probation, when some people have been given custodial sentences for refusing to pay their council tax, is shocking.


If I may offer an alternative to the "flog him" side. The word "paedophile" is obviously quite a barbed term and rightly so. However, there is a difference between looking at indecent images and acting upon his urges. I mean, do men who look at adult porn automatically create a risk to women? No, they're just seen as perverts.

Paedophilia is a mental condition, like any other type of addiction and the attitudes displayed here (ie in terms of retribution) stops people, who may well want to be helped, from getting the psycological treatment they need to overcome it.

I do not condone what he did for a second but I'm not entirely convinced he poses a risk to society.


However, people should not be jailed for fine-dodging either

[MrRobot]

You swear you will kill him?:dizzy:
I can't believe there has been no mention of 'political correctness gone mad' yet :rolleyes:

Jail isn't enough for pedo's who have abused victimes, and tehrefore leaving them scarred for life with permanent reminders. Death penalty or balls chopped off for sick s*um like that.

[Just Jimmy]

If I may offer an alternative to the "flog him" side. The word "paedophile" is obviously quite a barbed term and rightly so. However, there is a difference between looking at indecent images and acting upon his urges. I mean, do men who look at adult porn automatically create a risk to women? No, they're just seen as perverts.

Paedophilia is a mental condition, like any other type of addiction and the attitudes displayed here (ie in terms of retribution) stops people, who may well want to be helped, from getting the psycological treatment they need to overcome it.

I do not condone what he did for a second but I'm not entirely convinced he poses a risk to society.


However, people should not be jailed for fine-dodging either

the majority of 'serious' offenders start out with limited acts. Looking at images, torturing animals, starting small fires for example. Almost always 'serious' offenders, whether it be murder or sex offences, have a history, many have been in the 'system' for a long time prior to their offending.

Whilst I conceed there are exceptions, its more likely than not that serious offenders fit the first category.

[Sir David Gray]

If I may offer an alternative to the "flog him" side. The word "paedophile" is obviously quite a barbed term and rightly so. However, there is a difference between looking at indecent images and acting upon his urges. I mean, do men who look at adult porn automatically create a risk to women? No, they're just seen as perverts.

Paedophilia is a mental condition, like any other type of addiction and the attitudes displayed here (ie in terms of retribution) stops people, who may well want to be helped, from getting the psycological treatment they need to overcome it.

I do not condone what he did for a second but I'm not entirely convinced he poses a risk to society.


However, people should not be jailed for fine-dodging either

I said in a previous post that people who actually do the abusing are the worst of the worst. But those that pay to look at those images are encouraging the abuse of children. If no-one paid for such material, then maybe it wouldn't be quite as common.

I haven't displayed any feelings of retribution, I only said that those found guilty of such a crime should be detained for the rest of their life, as the majority of sex offenders cannot be rehabilitated.

[horseman]

abusers of children , those who watch or those who carry it out should be tattooed on the hands and forehead , then we would all know who to watch out for . we could also warn our kids to stay away

[GC]

I said in a previous post that people who actually do the abusing are the worst of the worst. But those that pay to look at those images are encouraging the abuse of children. If no-one paid for such material, then maybe it wouldn't be quite as common.

I haven't displayed any feelings of retribution, I only said that those found guilty of such a crime should be detained for the rest of their life, as the majority of sex offenders cannot be rehabilitated.

I would go with that, these poeple will never be able to control their urges.

I would like to know how this guy is getting restricted internet use, he will find away as do all the other beasts.

Best to lock em up in Carstairs(or build a new secure unit) and leave them to die.

Where hopefully they will rot in Hell.

[Steve-O]

The amount of sociologists and criminologists on this thread is quite remarkable :rolleyes:

[Phil D. Rolls]

The amount of sociologists and criminologists on this thread is quite remarkable :rolleyes:

I know Foucault about sociology, me. :wink:

[Greentinted]

I know Foucault about sociology, me. :wink:

C'mon now, you always get top Marx!!!

[Hibrandenburg]

I know Foucault about sociology, me. :wink:


C'mon now, you always get top Marx!!!

I presHume you're both being very modest but **** see why.