Scientology.....

[Ed De Gramo]

What a crazy cult :agree::agree:


Scientology advocates that people are immortal spiritual beings (or thetans) which have lived many lifetimes. Scientologists believe that the primary purpose of existence is survival.[8] One controversial aspect of Scientology beliefs is the idea that thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth.[9] It is believed that thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control. The belief of extraterrestrial origins is not taught to new members, but is only presented after members have advanced through the ranks of Scientology.



You got to wonder why people like the Travolta's and Cruise's are brainwashed by this tosh....

[CropleyWasGod]

What a crazy cult :agree::agree:



You got to wonder why people like the Travolta's and Cruise's are brainwashed by this tosh....

Devil's Advocate smiley..... prove that it is tosh :greengrin

[Ed De Gramo]

Devil's Advocate smiley..... prove that it is tosh :greengrin

Aliens in human bodies.....

Was that no the Slitheen in Doctor Who??? :greengrin

[matty_f]

What a crazy cult :agree::agree:



You got to wonder why people like the Travolta's and Cruise's are brainwashed by this tosh....

Who says they're brainwashed? Let's face it, it's them that're going against the populist view. One could argue that they are the ones who haven't conformed to the norm...

I think you do people who are into Scientology a dis-service - they make an educated decision, it's far from brainwashing.


Don't believe in it myself, like.:greengrin

[Austinho]

What a crazy cult :agree::agree:



You got to wonder why people like the Travolta's and Cruise's are brainwashed by this tosh....Sounds like a load of complete rubbish, with absolutely nothing to back up their theories - just like every other major religion then :duck:.

As mad as they sound, are they any different to the people who still believe everything in the bible - which was written by people who still believed the Earth was flat?

Can't see why they should be viewed any differently to Christians, Muslims, Jews etc to be honest.

[BroxburnHibee]

Sounds like a load of complete rubbish, with absolutely nothing to back up their theories - just like every other major religion then :duck:.

As mad as they sound, are they any different to the people who still believe everything in the bible - which was written by people who still believed the Earth was flat?

Can't see why they should be viewed any differently to Christians, Muslims, Jews etc to be honest.

:top marks

Every religion is built on a certain level of faith.

Non-believers like myself :greengrin struggle to comprehend any religion as you cannot find 100% truths in any of them

Still I am happy to respect anyone elses right to believe in whatever faith they have.

[SlickShoes]

Just as dodgy as any other religion, built up on stories and well crafted lies that have no proof what so ever behind them.

I think people are daft for getting sucked in to that but everyone is different and if they enjoy it then who am i to stop them giving there time and money to a cult/religion started by aliens.

[The_Todd]

:top marks

Every religion is built on a certain level of faith.

Non-believers like myself :greengrin struggle to comprehend any religion as you cannot find 100% truths in any of them

Still I am happy to respect anyone elses right to believe in whatever faith they have.


Sums it up for me.

The funny part about it all is the guy who invented the religion was a sci-fi writer (hence the aliens) who declared the best way to become a millionaire was to form your own religion.

So he did.


'I'm going to invent a religion that's going to make me a fortune. I'm tired of writing for a penny a word.'

[FraserHFC]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yblmRJ1ai-s

I agree with Simon

[GlesgaeHibby]

Sounds just about as much rubbish as the nonsense from Genesis saying the Earth was created on day 1 and the stars on day 4, when in fact the earth didn't form until billions of years after the stars.

[Peevemor]

Sounds like a load of complete rubbish, with absolutely nothing to back up their theories - just like every other major religion then :duck:.

As mad as they sound, are they any different to the people who still believe everything in the bible - which was written by people who still believed the Earth was flat?

Can't see why they should be viewed any differently to Christians, Muslims, Jews etc to be honest.

Good shout. :top marks

[Wembley67]

Sounds just about as much rubbish as the nonsense from Genesis saying the Earth was created on day 1 and the stars on day 4, when in fact the earth didn't form until billions of years after the stars.

In fact? Or just what your reading that is reportedly fact....:wink:

[ArabHibee]

But they do pretty sinister things to people who speak out against them? :dunno:

[The_Todd]

But they do pretty sinister things to people who speak out against them? :dunno:


Like most organised religion. See Galileo - hounded by the Church for being a heretic. Also see "Inquisition, Spanish".

[Zeberdee]

Can't see why they should be viewed any differently to Christians, Muslims, Jews etc to be honest.

Why not do a bit of research to see how they treat people who leave their organisation. And how much it actually costs the people who are in it.

Its a cult and thats why the UK do not recognise it as a religion as well as most EU countries.

Didnt anybody see the bbc documentary regarding this? Where the guy was stalked by the scientologists secret agent guys, phone tappings etc?

[GlesgaeHibby]

In fact? Or just what your reading that is reportedly fact....:wink:

Nope, because science unlike religion teaches you to challenge ideas, whereas religion is just blind acceptance.

[CropleyWasGod]

Nope, because science unlike religion teaches you to challenge ideas, whereas religion is just blind acceptance.

... where is the scientific evidence to prove that it is just blind acceptance?

[Wembley67]

Nope, because science unlike religion teaches you to challenge ideas, whereas religion is just blind acceptance.

But again your only believing what your reading....

[steakbake]

But again your only believing what your reading....

Some of the concepts of accepted science are logical connections as opposed to empirical and provable truths.

Science is slightly less fallible than Religion, but fallible nonetheless.

I like a healthy dose of skepticism with a generous portion of cynicism thrown in.

[GlesgaeHibby]

But again your only believing what your reading....

I'm not only believing what I'm reading, I challenge things and test things experimentally to see if they hold true. Whilst we don't know everything we are getting ever closer to a grand unifying theory (although gravity still poses a major problem).

How do I know Newtonian Mechanics holds? We have cars, satellites and I can test basic principles in the lab.

How do I know Einsteins Theory Holds? Atomic Clocks have slowed on plane journeys as his theory predicts, along with other evidence.

There is plenty we still do not know, for instance Dark Matter and Dark Energy but we will get there eventually, with mistakes along the way, but we are willing to change and learn from mistakes.

[ArabHibee]

Like most organised religion. See Galileo - hounded by the Church for being a heretic. Also see "Inquisition, Spanish".

Todd, see below. This is what I was getting at. Of course this happens with other religions but the 2 you quote are from a long long time ago, I'm speaking about the lengths these people go to nowadays.


Why not do a bit of research to see how they treat people who leave their organisation. And how much it actually costs the people who are in it.

Its a cult and thats why the UK do not recognise it as a religion as well as most EU countries.

Didnt anybody see the bbc documentary regarding this? Where the guy was stalked by the scientologists secret agent guys, phone tappings etc?
:agree:

[Removed]

Nope, because science unlike religion teaches you to challenge ideas, whereas religion is just blind acceptance.

Which religion are you talking about. They're not all the same you know.

[The_Todd]

... where is the scientific evidence to prove that it is just blind acceptance?


That's what faith is. It's FAITH.

[Mike777]

I was involved in a volunteer organisation ( Non Profit) for roughly two years.
Humana/DAPP/Planter Aid, they do go under a lot of different names.
Anyway for the last 10-15 years now this "organisation" has been labelled a cult,
There guidelines,beliefs and rules are far from normal, This organisation ARE a cult. they are not regonised by the UN. they exploit governements, people, countries.
The founder Amdi Petersen has been in jail for fraud in USA, he has connections with Mugabe, where there Headquarters are based!

There method was exactly the same as L Ron Hubbard when he started his "religion", i would say a good portion of charities and religions are biased and curropted.

From my own experience and judging my own beliefs on evidence i have read i would say this Religion is nothing but a Cult.

[DaveF]

For Scientology, I alwys think of Jim Jones and Peoples Temple.

Don't know why, and they probably have no similarities at all, but I remember watching a programme about Jones sometime last year and it amazed me how he managed to create his following and end it the way it did.

[--------]

Nope, because science unlike religion teaches you to challenge ideas, whereas religion is just blind acceptance.


Which only goes to show how very, very little you know about religious belief.

One hundred years ago, what you say about science was probably true.

Science then WAS about asking questions about accepted beliefs about how the universe worked, in order to extend and advance our knowledge of the universe and its workings.

More and more today, however, it's about finding new and quicker ways of doing certain jobs, so that the people who do the finding can make money. Technology, as opposed to pure science.

Similarly there are wide areas of science where the truth is much less important than the persuasion of governments and corporate sponsors to give grants and funds to support the "scientific" bodies engaged in the scientific debate.

The environmnt's a good example. Hundreds of "scientific" foundations and thousands of "scientists" on both sides of the argument depend for their salaries and research grants on the continuation of the debate at the highest volume possible. They therefore choose confrontation rather than co-operation, and polemic rather than serious discussion.

Meanwhile, we laymen look on, with only a very partial understanding of the issues and terms being thrown around.

And many of us blindly trust the "science" we read in our newspapers and see on our TV screens, without ever asking whether it might be possible that the "scientist" preaching his or her own precious, special theory to us might be wrong.

And when anyone DOES suggest that someone like Dawkins might be wrong, or out of his area of expertise, or self-serving, or simply shouting very loudly to advertise his new paperback, we're told we're not scientists, we're not experts, and we don't know what we're talking about.

Which is just about exactly what the Holy Office told Galileo Galilei. :devil:

[Dashing Bob S]

I think scientology is utter garbage, but it's formation is instructive - L.Ron Hubbard and his mates sitting around a table deciding on how they get this scam going.

But it's no less inherently ludicrous than Christianity (Christ as son of God, died for our sins, came back as Easter zombie) the only difference being Scientology (and say, Mormonism) is younger and has a viable paper trail to show how everybody daft it is. (Though I suppose some would say the bible or the Koran are historically viable documents.)

They are all man-made rather than god-given, and anybody who thinks otherwise is a bit of a mentalist in my opinion.