Tram works....

[Ed De Gramo]

Anybody found anyone actually wanting the trams yet? :dunno:

Been in countless taxi's (credit crunch...whits that :greengrin) and the drivers are all against the trams :agree:

Still think the buses will be the superior mode of transport around town....:agree:

[jakki]

My only experience of trams are in Manchester. When we arrived at Piccadilly station, we got a taxi to our hotel at Salford Quays. The fare was nearly £8.00 and took 40 minutes. The next morning we asked at reception for a taxi ino the centre and was told " cross the road , buy tickets for the tram and you'll get there in less than 10 minutes" Cost was under £2.00 for us and definately under 10 minutes.

IF this works in Edinburgh, I'll give it :thumbsup:

[scott7_0(Prague)]

Anybody found anyone actually wanting the trams yet? :dunno:

Been in countless taxi's (credit crunch...whits that :greengrin) and the drivers are all against the trams :agree:

Still think the buses will be the superior mode of transport around town....:agree:

Trams are a great mode of transport, cheap, reliable, enviromently friendly and on time. I understand peoples gripes during the construction of the line, but once they are in and running dig this thread out and I will say I told you so. I only hope they grow the areas to where they will go, here in Prague you can go from one to the other side of the city via tram, never late and a great way to see the city!!

[Gatecrasher]

do trams have right of way at all times? i dont even know, plenty of crashes in edinburgh at the start :agree:

[scott7_0(Prague)]

do trams have right of way at all times? i dont even know, plenty of crashes in edinburgh at the start :agree:

Normal road rules will apply, when a tram is crossing s road then the drivers of either car or tram must give way to the right, well thats the rule of thumb here!

[Gatecrasher]

Normal road rules will apply, when a tram is crossing s road then the drivers of either car or tram must give way to the right, well thats the rule of thumb here!


that would be ok then, would be wierd driving with them around though :agree:

[scott7_0(Prague)]

that would be ok then, would be wierd driving with them around though :agree:

Not really, taxi's are far worse then trams. Trust me 5years I have been driving in Prague with the trams and the closest I have came to a crash was with 2 taxis!

[Hibbyradge]

Anybody found anyone actually wanting the trams yet? :dunno:

Been in countless taxi's (credit crunch...whits that :greengrin) and the drivers are all against the trams :agree:

Still think the buses will be the superior mode of transport around town....:agree:

:hilarious

Taxi drivers are against trams, buses, cars, bikes, walking, other taxis.

Edit: I'm pro trams, by the way. I want them.

Actually, I fantersise about them. :wink:.

[Mikey]

Been in countless taxi's (credit crunch...whits that :greengrin) and the drivers are all against the trams :agree:



That's like conducting a survey on whether folk like Christmas and only asking turkeys :greengrin

[Gatecrasher]

Not really, taxi's are far worse then trams. Trust me 5years I have been driving in Prague with the trams and the closest I have came to a crash was with 2 taxis!

most taxi drivers are bullys on the road i have had a run in with a few myself and one was tailgating my dad acouple of years ago and ended up running into the back of him.

trams could be good if they are not overpriced I.E same prices or cheaper than busses

[davym7062]

i dont think we'll see them. already scraped the granton line, i can hear the cooncil saying edinburghs plumbing needed upgrading anyway so thats it done:agree:

[Ed De Gramo]

i dont think we'll see them. already scraped the granton line, i can hear the cooncil saying edinburghs plumbing needed upgrading anyway so thats it done:agree:

Given the size of the hole at Haymarket I think it would be disgusting if they abandoned the trams...

Tha said, they should never be here.....have they got measures in place for the trams breaking down :dunno:

[MrRobot]

Anybody found anyone actually wanting the trams yet? :dunno:

Been in countless taxi's (credit crunch...whits that :greengrin) and the drivers are all against the trams :agree:

Still think the buses will be the superior mode of transport around town....:agree:


I've heard stories that people are so against the tram works they are willing to sit in a bath full of baked beans to halt them.














:devil::duck:

[Greentinted]

I've heard stories that people are so against the tram works they are willing to sit in a bath full of baked beans to halt them.













:devil::duck:

I'd happily sit in a bath of rusty nails, splintered glass and sulphuric acid if it guaranteed this tram nonsense be scrapped.

[scott7_0(Prague)]

Tha said, they should never be here.....have they got measures in place for the trams breaking down :dunno:

eh - tow trams!

As I said, lets look this thread up once the trams are up and running!!

[Hibbyradge]

eh - tow trams!

As I said, lets look this thread up once the trams are up and running!!

Agreed.

Not only does Edinburgh need trams, it will enjoy them.

It's not really good enough for a European capital city not to have a rail link to its airport but the trams will go some way to resolving that.

No wonder the taxi drivers are moaning.

Someone said that they had scrapped the Granton section but that's news to me.

Has there ever been a bigger red herring than the "what will happen if they break down" question? :hilarious

Er, they'll get towed and/or fixed and go back into service. Just like buses.

Nottinghan, Sheffield, Blackpool and Manchester, among others, all have trams and I can't recall too many stories about breakdowns. In fact, I work in all these places and I've never seen a broken tram.

Here's a good site for more information.

http://www.tramtime.com/

[Woody1985]

Agreed.

Not only does Edinburgh need trams, it will enjoy them.

It's not really good enough for a European capital city not to have a rail link to its airport but the trams will go some way to resolving that.

No wonder the taxi drivers are moaning.

Someone said that they had scrapped the Granton section but that's news to me.

Has there ever been a bigger red herring than the "what will happen if they break down" question? :hilarious

Er, they'll get towed and/or fixed and go back into service. Just like buses.

Nottinghan, Sheffield, Blackpool and Manchester, among others, all have trams and I can't recall too many stories about breakdowns. In fact, I work in all these places and I've never seen a broken tram.

Here's a good site for more information.

http://www.tramtime.com/

Er, if there's a fixed line how will the other trams pass etc etc?

How does this work in other cities? How does our tram structure compare to other cities?

Have other cities have lines built in to take into consideration breakdowns so other trams can pass? Have we/intend to?

[scott7_0(Prague)]

Er, if there's a fixed line how will the other trams pass etc etc?

How does this work in other cities? How does our tram structure compare to other cities?

Have other cities have lines built in to take into consideration breakdowns so other trams can pass? Have we/intend to?

EH, Cross over intersections!!

As for you last question, yes, cross over intersections!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2304/2153389562_fee7b6032c.jpg?v=0

[davym7062]

Agreed.

Not only does Edinburgh need trams, it will enjoy them.

It's not really good enough for a European capital city not to have a rail link to its airport but the trams will go some way to resolving that.

No wonder the taxi drivers are moaning.

Someone said that they had scrapped the Granton section but that's news to me.
Has there ever been a bigger red herring than the "what will happen if they break down" question? :hilarious

Er, they'll get towed and/or fixed and go back into service. Just like buses.

Nottinghan, Sheffield, Blackpool and Manchester, among others, all have trams and I can't recall too many stories about breakdowns. In fact, I work in all these places and I've never seen a broken tram.

Here's a good site for more information.

http://www.tramtime.com/

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Plug-to-be-pulled-on.4713492.jp

[Woody1985]

EH, Cross over intersections!!

As for you last question, yes, cross over intersections!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2304/2153389562_fee7b6032c.jpg?v=0

I would have expected something like this but it is Edinburgh. We do know how to royally fluck things up and waste sht loads of money on stuff!

Out of interest. How does our line compare to Prague? Guessing a lot smaller?

How many people are run over/killed by trams each year there?

[stu in nottingham]

Nottinghan, Sheffield, Blackpool and Manchester, among others, all have trams and I can't recall too many stories about breakdowns. In fact, I work in all these places and I've never seen a broken tram.
http://www.tramtime.com/

I know you'll have the seen the Nottm trams Hibbyradge. Not a breakdown as such but I did see a track problem one evening. it was quite a sight watching the engineers go to work and solve the problem in double-quick time. Special machinery to lift the tracks out of the road etc. It reminded me of a Formula 1 pit stop operation.

In the meantime City Transport laid on complimentary buses covering the area of line affected.

I'm confident that Edinburgh would have similar excellent contingencies, if not better.

[stu in nottingham]

Look on the bright side guys.

You'll be able to do one of these!

Beer by Tram:
http://www.thetram.net/attractions/beerbytram/default.asp

[Onceinawhile]

In antwerp we had not only trams but also a metro and buses.

It was brilliant:thumbsup: came about every 3-5 minutes, took you nearly anywhere in the city within about 10 minutes. There was roughly 20 lines though compared to the 1 edinburgh is going to have.

Should be good, could be better

[scott7_0(Prague)]

I would have expected something like this but it is Edinburgh. We do know how to royally fluck things up and waste sht loads of money on stuff!

Out of interest. How does our line compare to Prague? Guessing a lot smaller?

How many people are run over/killed by trams each year there?

Edinburgh has 1 or 2 lines if I remember, Prague has 30 and 3 underground routes, the Russians were usful for something over here!

As for people getting hit or killed, in 2008 = 0 well no one seriously injured!!

[Hibbyradge]

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Plug-to-be-pulled-on.4713492.jp

Thanks.

However, "There is no point in speculating on rumour or innuendo. No decision regarding 1b requires to be taken until well into 2009".

[Pete]

most taxi drivers are bullys on the road i have had a run in with a few myself and one was tailgating my dad acouple of years ago and ended up running into the back of him.

trams could be good if they are not overpriced I.E same prices or cheaper than busses

It's propably closer to the truth to say that a taxi driver ran into the back of your dad and then you formed the opinion that most taxi drivers are bullies.

We earn our living on the road and have to deal with rank bad drivers every day of our working lives. There should be a test judging assertiveness carried out every few years to see who is really fit to be on the road.

It's indeciseveness that causes accidents in my experience.

[Removed]

It's propably closer to the truth to say that a taxi driver ran into the back of your dad and then you formed the opinion that most taxi drivers are bullies.

We earn our living on the road and have to deal with rank bad drivers every day of our working lives. There should be a test judging assertiveness carried out every few years to see who is really fit to be on the road.

It's indeciseveness that causes accidents in my experience.

Taxi drivers earrn their living on the road and we car & motorcycle users have to have all our wits about us when taxis are around. I see evidence of taxi divers bullying other road users every day, wrong lane and forcing their way in, switching lanes willy nilly, and that's just for starters. But you are right taxi drivers aren't indecisive and don't lack assertiveness, especially when they need to do a u-turn.

[Pete]

Trams are a great mode of transport, cheap, reliable, enviromently friendly and on time. I understand peoples gripes during the construction of the line, but once they are in and running dig this thread out and I will say I told you so. I only hope they grow the areas to where they will go, here in Prague you can go from one to the other side of the city via tram, never late and a great way to see the city!!

You simply cannot compare the two cities.

Prague has an extensive underground network and tramline built under the communist regime.

Edinburgh, when completed, will have one tram line from Leith to the airport. We either don't have the brains or finances to use the old railway infrastructure in the city.

I don't know if you're aware of a bus service called the 22 in edinburgh. Why not extend it out to the airport if that's the main objective?

Can anyone in support of the trams argue against that?

[lucky]

Trams will be a god send to Edinburgh. Its just a shame that the Scottish Government will not stump up the cash for phase 2. Every major city has alternative public transport to buses.

We are all suffering with the road works but in a few years time we will be wondering how we ever got by with out them

[Removed]

You simply cannot compare the two cities.

Prague has an extensive underground network and tramline built under the communist regime.

Edinburgh, when completed, will have one tram line from Leith to the airport. We either don't have the brains or finances to use the old railway infrastructure in the city.

I don't know if you're aware of a bus service called the 22 in edinburgh. Why not extend it out to the airport if that's the main objective?

Can anyone in support of the trams argue against that?

Never been to Prague but you are right about Edinburgh although have the taxi drivers not benefitted over the years from a piss poor bus service to/from the airport :dunno:

[Pete]

Taxi drivers earrn their living on the road and we car & motorcycle users have to have all our wits about us when taxis are around. I see evidence of taxi divers bullying other road users every day, wrong lane and forcing their way in, switching lanes willy nilly, and that's just for starters. But you are right taxi drivers aren't indecisive and don't lack assertiveness, especially when they need to do a u-turn.

The old u turn complaint. No doubt you're going to tell me we don't even indicate:yawn:

What you see taxis doing is what I see people like you doing...as a car or motorcyclist. Bullying, wrong lanes and forcing your way in. You could be talking about BMW drivers or bus drivers.

More boring generalistaions.

[Removed]

The old u turn complaint. No doubt you're going to tell me we don't even indicate:yawn:

What you see taxis doing is what I see people like you doing...as a car or motorcyclist. Bullying, wrong lanes and forcing your way in. You could be talking about BMW drivers or bus drivers.

More boring generalistaions.

And aren't all taxi drivers really scruffy :wink:

Mon the assertiveness test - get the taxi drivers and bus drivers up first, then the knobs with BMWs :thumbsup:

[Pete]

And aren't all taxi drivers really scruffy :wink:

Mon the assertiveness test - get the taxi drivers and bus drivers up first, then the knobs with BMWs :thumbsup:

we're all going to be in uniform soon so that won't be a problem:greengrin

One discipline that is unknowen to most and what most cabbies are a master in is "roadcraft". We know what drivers are going to do in advance due to our hours of simply being on the road. The emergency services actually do courses in it.

I applied for a job as an ambulance driver and the instuctor couldn't understand how I'd developed advanced braking techniques and such road awareness skills. I explained that it was down to pure experience of bad road users and their behaviour.

I'll maintain that we are the best drivers on the road...


...however there are the odd one or two who do daft manouvers WITHOUT INDICATING!! Even I hate that.:bitchy:

[Hibbyradge]

You simply cannot compare the two cities.

Prague has an extensive underground network and tramline built under the communist regime.

Edinburgh, when completed, will have one tram line from Leith to the airport. We either don't have the brains or finances to use the old railway infrastructure in the city.

I don't know if you're aware of a bus service called the 22 in edinburgh. Why not extend it out to the airport if that's the main objective?

Can anyone in support of the trams argue against that?

Why should someone going to the airport have to go round the houses, literally, first?

Can you imagine the chaos if Edinburgh's tourists all jumped on a 22? :hilarious They'd never come back!

Our capital city should have a swift, direct train service but we won't pay for tht so trams is the next best.

Also, buses are too small.

Buses add to congestion.

Trams don't pollute.

[Ants]

I'll maintain that we are the best drivers on the road...


...however there are the odd one or two who do daft manouvers WITHOUT INDICATING!! Even I hate that.:bitchy:

Is it true that if the cab drivers use their indicators, it slows the meter down?:fishin:
Or, if you use the heater, it speeds up the meter?:fishin::offski:

[stu in nottingham]

I'll maintain that we are the best drivers on the road...
:

Sorry, I'd have to disagree with that. Having superior abilities by spending lots of time driving does not equate to a 'best' driver. There are many other factors such as simply abiding by the laws of the roads and driving non-aggressively to name but two. I see more taxi drivers fail on those two counts alone much more than the average road user.

[scott7_0(Prague)]

You simply cannot compare the two cities.

Prague has an extensive underground network and tramline built under the communist regime.

Edinburgh, when completed, will have one tram line from Leith to the airport. We either don't have the brains or finances to use the old railway infrastructure in the city.

I don't know if you're aware of a bus service called the 22 in edinburgh. Why not extend it out to the airport if that's the main objective?

Can anyone in support of the trams argue against that?

Said like a true taxi driver!!!

[cad]

Trams will be a god send to Edinburgh. Its just a shame that the Scottish Government will not stump up the cash for phase 2. Every major city has alternative public transport to buses.

We are all suffering with the road works but in a few years time we will be wondering how we ever got by with out them



I hope the trams do work out ,but from whats been happening in the last month I would be very surprised if this venture is finished its more likely to be put on hold IMO or indeed scrapped .
The 2 chaps in very prominent positions involved in the who ,what why ,and where departments have left extra early .??
There have been the best part of 200 people laid off , the spur at Granton is either on hold or abandoned .
Lack of funds is my bet ,I think I may be wrong £X Millions had to be invested bye a certain party but with the housing market going belly up the X Millions from land sales have put a spanner in the works with the real figure of the value being half of the expected finance ,and if its correct that is a hell of a big difference on the estimates given at the start of this project , plus the money they have lost through errors its spiraling out of control
Since this project began Sat ,Sun has seen plenty off activity on the work needed to be done before the rails etc can be put down ,add to that the re -work needed after the mistakes ,its getting pricey .
And to finish Ive been out shopping this Saturday morning up and down Leith Walk and up The Bridges, York Place ,apart from one guy digging a hole and 4 guys watching him at
Peter Marinellos old Boozer and a guy driving a digger at Brunswick Street that's all the activity Ive seen on
The New Tram Ways where as I said before Sat , Sundays was mobbed with the guys working on the roads money was no problem crash on and to hell with the consequences at the beginning .
I think we are in for a sore one when this all comes out ,hope I am wrong but 200 down the road nobody working the weekends somethings not right . .

[Betty Boop]

An absolute disaster for the traders of Leith Walk, so many have them have went out of business,

[majorhibs]

An absolute disaster for the traders of Leith Walk, so many have them have went out of business,

My quote the day gettin off the bus in leith walk "it was less hassle in Mumbai"

[Betty Boop]

My quote the day gettin off the bus in leith walk "it was less hassle in Mumbai" :agree:

[Gerard]

I was against the trams and still are not happy about the way that they were foisted upon the people of Edinburgh. The cost of the trams is quoted at 600 million pounds. I wounder what the fibal cost will be? In the city centre which is conservation area and part of the World heritage centre; it will be an eyesore.

If I had known that the Conservatives were in favour of the trams I would have voted for another party.
G

[Betty Boop]

I was against the trams and still are not happy about the way that they were foisted upon the people of Edinburgh. The cost of the trams is quoted at 600 million pounds. I wounder what the fibal cost will be? In the city centre which is conservation area and part of the World heritage centre; it will be an eyesore.

If I had knon that the Conservatives were in favour of the trams I would have voted for another party.G
Oh Gerard you hypocrite ! :greengrin You posted this on another thread-----If I was the last Conservative to post on the internet and that was to cause people to see me in a lesser light, I would accept that situation as that would be the price to pay for my political beliefs. :blah::

[Gerard]

Oh Gerard you hypocrite ! :greengrin You posted this on another thread-----If I was the last Conservative to post on the internet and that was to cause people to see me in a lesser light, I would accept that situation as that would be the price to pay for my political beliefs. :blah::
:greengrin The issue of trams is not about popularity:wink: I would rather the money spent on them was spent on making the a1 dueled from Edinburgh to Berwick and perth to Inverness
G:wink:

[offshorehibby]

I honestly can't see what the tram will give us that an already quality bus service dose not give us.
In time LRT will bin or reduce services to make us use the tram.

If anything we should have went with the rail link to the airport with the rerouting of the Glasgow and Aberdeen lines, allowing all of Scotland to access the airport.

[stu in nottingham]

I honestly can't see what the tram will give us that an already quality bus service dose not give us.


I think the trams will give you a quicker, more efficient service. When I come back to Edinburgh I always think it takes an absolute age to get anywhere across the city by road these days.

[flood]

Er, if there's a fixed line how will the other trams pass etc etc?

How does this work in other cities? How does our tram structure compare to other cities?

Have other cities have lines built in to take into consideration breakdowns so other trams can pass? Have we/intend to?

The next tram comes along and pushes the broken one home. Easy.

[flood]

An absolute disaster for the traders of Leith Walk, so many have them have went out of business,

according to the figures. 5 businesses have gone out of business in Leith Walk in the last year. I would hardly call that a disasterous amount.

[Peevemor]

according to the figures. 5 businesses have gone out of business in Leith Walk in the last year. I would hardly call that a disasterous amount.

Is one not too many?

[flood]

Is one not too many?

The point is that most of them would have gone out of business anyway. Business start and fail all the time. It is too convenient to blame tramworks for every failure

[Chez]

I honestly can't see what the tram will give us that an already quality bus service dose not give us.
In time LRT will bin or reduce services to make us use the tram.

If anything we should have went with the rail link to the airport with the rerouting of the Glasgow and Aberdeen lines, allowing all of Scotland to access the airport.

:agree: Absolutely - its what I have said and every Edinburgh citizen that I have spoken to has said :agree:

I would've preferred the rail link anaw - the trams are, and have been, an absolute shambles to the City of Edinburgh where we are losing our community services and centres as well :brickwall

[davym7062]

I honestly can't see what the tram will give us that an already quality bus service dose not give us.
In time LRT will bin or reduce services to make us use the tram.If anything we should have went with the rail link to the airport with the rerouting of the Glasgow and Aberdeen lines, allowing all of Scotland to access the airport.

starting in january

[Betty Boop]

according to the figures. 5 businesses have gone out of business in Leith Walk in the last year. I would hardly call that a disasterous amount. What figures and where can I view them?

[Pete]

Why should someone going to the airport have to go round the houses, literally, first?

Can you imagine the chaos if Edinburgh's tourists all jumped on a 22? :hilarious They'd never come back!

Our capital city should have a swift, direct train service but we won't pay for tht so trams is the next best.

Also, buses are too small.

Buses add to congestion.

Trams don't pollute.

The no.22 from the city to the west hardly goes "round the houses". Are you not aware of the fast link that was built at great expense?

Buses might be smaller than trams but the frequency of the 22 is something like one every four minutes. I'd be willing to bet that no whater what the size of the tram it wont have the capacity per hour of the 22.

This tram line is being built on major areas like Princes St and haymarket. They will effectively knock out two lanes that might mave been taken up by buses or cars. Trams will not only add to congestion at these bottle-knecks but will cause chaos on the surrounding roads because cars will have no alternative but to use rat-runs.

As for the pollution aspect, how much do zero-emmision buses cost?

[Pete]

Is it true that if the cab drivers use their indicators, it slows the meter down?:fishin:
Or, if you use the heater, it speeds up the meter?:fishin::offski:

No, we just let our tyres down so the meter ticks over faster.

:rolleyes:

[Peevemor]

No, we just let our tyres down so the meter ticks over faster.

:rolleyes:


I ****in' knew it! :grr:

[Pete]

Sorry, I'd have to disagree with that. Having superior abilities by spending lots of time driving does not equate to a 'best' driver. There are many other factors such as simply abiding by the laws of the roads and driving non-aggressively to name but two. I see more taxi drivers fail on those two counts alone much more than the average road user.

Driving non-aggressively I'll give you but biding by the laws of the road...I can tell you that we break just as many rules as normal drivers do. It's mainly down to ignorance of the laws on their part.

people being ignorant of national speed limits, the rules on yellow boxes and the rules on parking on greenways justs adds to the frustrations of EVERY driver on the road.

As for aggressive driving, you have to understand that a lot of the time we don't dictate the pace. We have passengers in the back who get hacked off if they don't see us cutting through traffic like a hot knife through butter. If they've had a few or are late for a train then we are sometimes verbally and physically abused if we don't "assert ourselves". If I had my way I would sit back, relax and go with the traffic...and let the meter run.

[Pete]

Said like a true taxi driver!!!

Obviously no counter-argument.

[stu in nottingham]

Driving non-aggressively I'll give you but biding by the laws of the road...I can tell you that we break just as many rules as normal drivers do. It's mainly down to ignorance of the laws on their part.

As for aggressive driving, you have to understand that a lot of the time we don't dictate the pace. We have passengers in the back who get hacked off if they don't see us cutting through traffic like a hot knife through butter. If they've had a few or are late for a train then we are sometimes verbally and physically abused if we don't "assert ourselves". If I had my way I would sit back, relax and go with the traffic...and let the meter run.

Sorry Peter I have to disagree again.

What we're talking of here is obviously the evidence of our own eyes but this very evening I took a short drive through the city where I live and saw FIVE taxi's parked on double yellow lines in busy and (importantly) obstructive places. I don't see this to nearly the same extent with other drivers. Obviously I'm not accusing you personally of this type of behaviour but this is what I see day after day, week after week, month after month.

Last night driving home from my job in the city I noted three taxis, blocking each other in the centre of a main thoroughfare blocking three lanes of traffic, basically because they couldn't be bothered to park their cars legally and get out to collect their customers.

Two mornings ago I (and probably everyone else in the cul-de-sac) was woken by a taxi driver calling to collect a neighbour at 5.30am, continually sounding his horn every 30 seconds or so to get his fare out of the house. This is not acceptable I'm afraid, nor is it legal.

I accept your difficulties with aggressive customers but this does not allow taxi drivers to drive abominably whilst doing their job. I see this continually night after night. It may be a problem for you but I can assure you it is a problem for others who just want to drive home peaceably also. The behaviour of some taxi drivers in such circumstances leaves a great deal to be desired. Nothing personal, mate.

[Pete]

Sorry Peter I have to disagree again.

What we're talking of here is obviously the evidence of our own eyes but this very evening I took a short drive through the city where I live and saw FIVE taxi's parked on double yellow lines in busy and (importantly) obstructive places. I don't see this to nearly the same extent with other drivers. Obviously I'm not accusing you personally of this type of behaviour but this is what I see day after day, week after week, month after month.

It depends on the circumstances. If we have a job when a physically disabled passenger has to be picked up then we have the right to stop on double yellow or red lines...irrespective of disruption to traffic flow. However, I doubt the ones you witnessed were all in that situation and some boys do take advantage of these little knowen rules.



Last night driving home from my job in the city I noted three taxis, blocking each other in the centre of a main thoroughfare blocking three lanes of traffic, basically because they couldn't be bothered to park their cars legally and get out to collect their customers.

well that's just bad laziness and can't be condoned if like you say they had an option. If they didn't have an option then they are entitled to do so if the passenger was physically impaired. however, going by experience it probably wasn't the case. What road was this and what time was it?




Two mornings ago I (and probably everyone else in the cul-de-sac) was woken by a taxi driver calling to collect a neighbour at 5.30am, continually sounding his horn every 30 seconds or so to get his fare out of the house. This is not acceptable I'm afraid, nor is it legal..


It's highly illegal...and it's rule number one at that time in the morning! It's drummed into us from day one that you don't do that. Even around seven in the morning I don't do that...simply because it's noise poloution and waking people up.



I accept your difficulties with aggressive customers but this does not allow taxi drivers to drive abominably whilst doing their job. I see this continually night after night. It may be a problem for you but I can assure you it is a problem for others who just want to drive home peaceably also. The behaviour of some taxi drivers in such circumstances leaves a great deal to be desired. Nothing personal, mate.

It's all about your definition of "abnormal". There's a set code of conduct for road users and we are as guilty of bending it through necessity as the bad drivers are by being ignorant of basict road ettiquette.

You might just have to use your maturity and accept that bus, taxi and private hire drivers own the roads....in their own minds:cool2:

Whenever I drive my car i just let them get on with what they do and accept it. Maybe it's because I know that's them doing their job. They're not going out their way to upset or hurt you personally.

[stu in nottingham]

It depends on the circumstances. If we have a job when a physically disabled passenger has to be picked up then we have the right to stop on double yellow or red lines...irrespective of disruption to traffic flow. However, I doubt the ones you witnessed were all in that situation and some boys do take advantage of these little knowen rules.

I know the laws, I work with the disabled. I agree, I doubt those taxis were lined up the local nightclubs and discos waiting for a procession of disabled folk coming out. We can agree on that one!

well that's just bad laziness and can't be condoned if like you say they had an option. If they didn't have an option then they are entitled to do so if the passenger was physically impaired. however, going by experience it probably wasn't the case. What road was this and what time was it?

It was on Mansfield Road at Sherwood, a main arterial road into Nottingham. An incredibly busy place at the most congested time of day at 5.30 in the evening. Perhaps all three were waiting for 'disabled people'? (in the middle of the road holding up three lanes of traffic) :wink:


It's highly illegal...and it's rule number one at that time in the morning! It's drummed into us from day one that you don't do that. Even around seven in the morning I don't do that...simply because it's noise poloution and waking people up.

I never, ever see taxi drivers in my residential area at any time get out of their cars. They always sound their horns because as you say, they are too lazy to get out of their cars. It's like an orchestra some days...

It's all about your definition of "abnormal". There's a set code of conduct for road users and we are as guilty of bending it through necessity as the bad drivers are by being ignorant of basict road ettiquette.

Taxi drivers 'bend it' to a far higher degree than most others drivers - and you know it! One of the many reasons why they are not the 'best drivers on the road'.

You might just have to use your maturity and accept that bus, taxi and private hire drivers own the roads....in their own minds:cool2:

Whenever I drive my car i just let them get on with what they do and accept it. Maybe it's because I know that's them doing their job. They're not going out their way to upset or hurt you personally.

Okay, I'll use my maturity. Taxi drivers et al don't own the roads, Peter - much as you'd like that. Now that's a mature attitude for cabbies to take. :wink:

[Peevemor]

For me it's simple.

Taxi drivers sometimes carry out manoeuvres which can seriously annoy you if you happen to be driving in the immediate vicinity, but will normally suit you just fine if you're sitting in the back of the cab (or have hailed the taxi, thus instigating, for example, a viscious u-turn).

[stu in nottingham]

For me it's simple.

Taxi drivers sometimes carry out manoeuvres which can seriously annoy you if you happen to be driving in the immediate vicinity, but will normally suit you just fine if you're sitting in the back of the cab (or have hailed the taxi, thus instigating, for example, a viscious u-turn).

You see I have a bit of time for that argument, Peeves. I understand Peter's point about them having a job to do to (one that I wouldn't wish to).

To call them the 'best drivers on the road' though is just a load of spherical objects. :greengrin

[Woody1985]

EH, Cross over intersections!!

As for you last question, yes, cross over intersections!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2304/2153389562_fee7b6032c.jpg?v=0

Thought I'd look out this old discussion. I remembered this comment when I asked what happens when a tram breaks down.

It would apprear that Edinburgh will NOT have cross over intersections!

[scott7_0(Prague)]

Thought I'd look out this old discussion. I remembered this comment when I asked what happens when a tram breaks down.

It would apprear that Edinburgh will NOT have cross over intersections!

I find this extremely hard to believe, I cannot see one solid fixed line from one end to the other, where have you seen this information.

So how so do they get in and out of the depot and how is the terminus arrange, will it be a circle system, if not they will have an issue with the trams the travel behind the first one, and how do they change tracks to go back in the other direction?

[Woody1985]

I find this extremely hard to believe, I cannot see one solid fixed line from one end to the other, where have you seen this information.

So how so do they get in and out of the depot and how is the terminus arrange, will it be a circle system, if not they will have an issue with the trams the travel behind the first one, and how do they change tracks to go back in the other direction?

Not sure entirely but I was under the impression there is one line. I'll need to get a closer look at the line details but here's the story I read.

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/latestnews/Tram-chiefs-look-down-the.5185171.jp

[scott7_0(Prague)]

Not sure entirely but I was under the impression there is one line. I'll need to get a closer look at the line details but here's the story I read.

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/latestnews/Tram-chiefs-look-down-the.5185171.jp


Did you miss this part!!


The new system will see broken-down trams shunted along by the next approaching service before they are then taken off the tracks at certain designated points along the line.

[Dashing Bob S]

Everywhere they've been introduced; Dublin, Manchester, Croydon, they have been a roaring success and people want more of them.

They are a much faster, more efficent, ecologoically friendly and more comfy form of premium transport than the wheezing jakey buses the flat-Earth brigade would have us put with and make our so-called capital city a continuing third-rate laughing stock.

The only tragedty about the trams is that they weren't done earlier, and with more lines.

[Woody1985]

Did you miss this part!!

I did but the track doesn't have any cross over intersections. Can you imagine adding that complication into the mix. :boo hoo:


Everywhere they've been introduced; Dublin, Manchester, Croydon, they have been a roaring success and people want more of them.

They are a much faster, more efficent, ecologoically friendly and more comfy form of premium transport than the wheezing jakey buses the flat-Earth brigade would have us put with and make our so-called capital city a continuing third-rate laughing stock.

The only tragedty about the trams is that they weren't done earlier, and with more lines.

In the mean time, we the residents, are the laughing stocks for putting up with the farce of a project. If they could have kept the cost down, built what they said they would and brought a project in on time (fat chance) then I'm sure people wouldn't be complaining as much. But as it stands it's made us a bigger joke than we already are.

[Antifa Hibs]

Anyone got a map of the routes that trams will be going on? And when they are likely to be in operation?

Would be good for Edinburgh to have a similar pricing structure to Milan and London. In Milan i'm sure it was something like 80cents and this allowed you to 45 minutes of travel from when you bought your ticket on either trams, buses or undergrond trains. London was something similar, £5 or something and this allowed you unlimited travel for the day on buses and undergrounds (obvisouly we don't have underground so replace that with trams ;)

[sg7nil]

Anyone got a map of the routes that trams will be going on? And when they are likely to be in operation?


Would be good for Edinburgh to have a similar pricing structure to Milan and London. In Milan i'm sure it was something like 80cents and this allowed you to 45 minutes of travel from when you bought your ticket on either trams, buses or undergrond trains. London was something similar, £5 or something and this allowed you unlimited travel for the day on buses and undergrounds (obvisouly we don't have underground so replace that with trams ;)

RouteS... what are they

I think you will find that it's only one tram route (singular)...

Edinburgh will have a tram.. not trams (as this implies a network that there will not be).

BTW the proposed route is to go from Ocean Terminal, up Leith Walk.. along Princes St) so the tourists think we have trams.. out to Haymarket, Ballgreen Road, Sighthill industrial Estate, The Gyle and (if funds permit) out to the airport.. (I'l still be getting a taxi when I land at the airport even though I live 100 yards from the proposed route in Leith!)

[Antifa Hibs]

RouteS... what are they

I think you will find that it's only one tram route (singular)...

Edinburgh will have a tram.. not trams (as this implies a network that there will not be).

BTW the proposed route is to go from Ocean Terminal, up Leith Walk.. along Princes St) so the tourists think we have trams.. out to Haymarket, Ballgreen Road, Sighthill industrial Estate, The Gyle and (if funds permit) out to the airport.. (I'l still be getting a taxi when I land at the airport even though I live 100 yards from the proposed route in Leith!)

Aye just had a look at the trams website, a very basic route as you say. You'd think if they are spending over £600m they'd include a few other routes along the likes of Ferry Road, Telford Road, Queens Ferry Road amongst others to relive congestion, these are a *** nightmare at the best of times.

[Woody1985]

Aye just had a look at the trams website, a very basic route as you say. You'd think if they are spending over £600m they'd include a few other routes along the likes of Ferry Road, Telford Road, Queens Ferry Road amongst others to relive congestion, these are a *** nightmare at the best of times.

Relieve Edinburgh Tram Congestion. Those words should never appear in the same sentence.

Edit, unless it appeared as 'Relieve congestion caused by Edinburgh Tram works by scrapping project.'

[Sergio sledge]

RouteS... what are they

I think you will find that it's only one tram route (singular)...

Edinburgh will have a tram.. not trams (as this implies a network that there will not be).

BTW the proposed route is to go from Ocean Terminal, up Leith Walk.. along Princes St) so the tourists think we have trams.. out to Haymarket, Ballgreen Road, Sighthill industrial Estate, The Gyle and (if funds permit) out to the airport.. (I'l still be getting a taxi when I land at the airport even though I live 100 yards from the proposed route in Leith!)

Why? If it happens, it'll be cheaper, and quite probably quicker than a taxi.

[IberianHibernian]

Everywhere they've been introduced; Dublin, Manchester, Croydon, they have been a roaring success and people want more of them.

They are a much faster, more efficent, ecologoically friendly and more comfy form of premium transport than the wheezing jakey buses the flat-Earth brigade would have us put with and make our so-called capital city a continuing third-rate laughing stock.

The only tragedty about the trams is that they weren't done earlier, and with more lines.Exactly . Tramworks cause a lot of problems but results are usually very positive and hopefully Edinburgh`s won`t be limited to one line . In Spain I`ve seen them in Bilbao and Seville in recent years and both benefitted the cities greatly . Seville has just opened a metro too which is already very successful . Cycling has become popular and number of car commuters reduced greatly . In Edinburgh , why can`t they develop rail lines in and around city again ? In the west of Scotland you can get a direct train from Dumbarton to Airdrie while in the east living in say Linlithgow and working in say Dunbar means using a car or spending hours on travel .

[scott7_0(Prague)]

Exactly . Tramworks cause a lot of problems but results are usually very positive and hopefully Edinburgh`s won`t be limited to one line . In Spain I`ve seen them in Bilbao and Seville in recent years and both benefitted the cities greatly . Seville has just opened a metro too which is already very successful . Cycling has become popular and number of car commuters reduced greatly . In Edinburgh , why can`t they develop rail lines in and around city again ? In the west of Scotland you can get a direct train from Dumbarton to Airdrie while in the east living in say Linlithgow and working in say Dunbar means using a car or spending hours on travel .

I hear what your saying about rail travel, but in the UK it is more expensive to travel by train than by car, resulting on cars staying on the roads!!!

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I find this extremely hard to believe, I cannot see one solid fixed line from one end to the other, where have you seen this information.

So how so do they get in and out of the depot and how is the terminus arrange, will it be a circle system, if not they will have an issue with the trams the travel behind the first one, and how do they change tracks to go back in the other direction?


When I were a lad, trams were double ended.

When a tram got to the terminus, the driver removed the brass driving handle from the cab at one end, walked through the lower deck to the other end, and fixed the brass driving handle in place in the cab there.

All the seats-backs were on a swivel, so the seats could face either way. As the driver walked through, he tipped all the seat-backs to face the end of the tram that would be the front on the way back into town.

Meanwhile, the conductor had climbed the stairs and walked through the top deck, tipping the seat-backs up there.

Then all the conductor had to do was take the long bamboo pole from the side of the car, unhook the trolley-pole on the roof of the tram from the power-line, swivel THAT through 180 degrees to trail the other way on the return journey, and he could go and have a smoke.

How any times did I watch that ritual when I was a wee boy? :cool2:

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_edin_t/0_edinburgh_transport_-_trams_around_edinburgh.htm

IMHO, trams were brilliant and should never have been abolished. They ran a 5-minute service anywhere in town.

[Woody1985]

When I were a lad, trams were double ended.

When a tram got to the terminus, the driver removed the brass driving handle from the cab at one end, walked through the lowere deck to the other end, and fixed the brass driving handle in place in the cab there.

All the seats-backs were on a swivel, so the seats could face either way. As the driver walked through, he tipped all the seat-backs to face the end of the tram that would be the front on the way back into town.

Meanwhile, the conductor had climbed the stairs and walked through the top deck, tipping the seat-backs up there.

Then all the conductor had to do was take the long bamboo pole from the side of the car, unhook the trolley-pole on the roof of the tram from the power-line, swivel THAT through 180 degrees to trail the other way on the return journey, and he could go and have a smoke.

How any times did I watch that ritual when I was a wee boy? :cool2:

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_edin_t/0_edinburgh_transport_-_trams_around_edinburgh.htm

IMHO, trams were brilliant and should never have been abolished. They ran a 5-minute service anywhere in town.

That's quite a good site that. You see pictures of Gilmerton in the older days in some of the pubs and thought it would be good to see some more but they're hard to find.

[khib70]

The next tram comes along and pushes the broken one home. Easy.
You make it sound easy. It isn't. Just one example for you here (http://archive.lancashireeveningtelegraph.co.uk/2004/6/11/485752.html)

[Dashing Bob S]

Exactly . Tramworks cause a lot of problems but results are usually very positive and hopefully Edinburgh`s won`t be limited to one line . In Spain I`ve seen them in Bilbao and Seville in recent years and both benefitted the cities greatly . Seville has just opened a metro too which is already very successful . Cycling has become popular and number of car commuters reduced greatly . In Edinburgh , why can`t they develop rail lines in and around city again ? In the west of Scotland you can get a direct train from Dumbarton to Airdrie while in the east living in say Linlithgow and working in say Dunbar means using a car or spending hours on travel .

Once you have the one line down, the cost of adding others goes down substantially. This is because the infrastructure of depots and support facilities is already in place.

My god, there are some real moaning pussy-cats around! Sometimes we have inconveniences in life and we're a little bit late for appointments with roadworks etc. Big deal. We don't have earthquakes, terrorist attacks or the blitz to contend with.

I think some people will always need things like tram disruption to justify feeling so bad all the time.

[oconnors_strip]

the festival cavalcade has been moved from princes street to holyrood park because of the tram works in town. dont think it will work out with all the acts in one place at the same time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8020459.stm

[Arch Stanton]

Once you have the one line down, the cost of adding others goes down substantially. This is because the infrastructure of depots and support facilities is already in place.

My god, there are some real moaning pussy-cats around! Sometimes we have inconveniences in life and we're a little bit late for appointments with roadworks etc. Big deal. We don't have earthquakes, terrorist attacks or the blitz to contend with.

I think some people will always need things like tram disruption to justify feeling so bad all the time.

Except that any further extravaganzas won't be paid for by the Scottish/British taxpayer, it will be all down to us - glory be!

And by the way - the case against trams isn't a moan - it is a perfectly rational response to a rediculous (non-) transport policy.