More BBC 'offensiveness'...

[Steve-O]

http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/tv/news/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=10551450&GT1=61503&ocid=today

We are heading down a dodgy path when erses like Mediawatch and the Daily Mail are actually having their opinions listened to.

Surely there has been worse said about the Queen before FFS :bitchy:

John Beyer, of MediaWatch UK, told the Daily Mail: "It is very offensive and should not have been broadcast.

"It is indicative of the sloppy way in which this kind of thing gets on air.

"There is a great deal of respect for the Queen and people do feel very strongly about any kind of disrespectful comments about her."

:blah::blah:

And what is the word that is censored in Frankie Boyle's joke?? Pr!ck wouldn't make sense and it's too long for pish? Am I being stupid? :greengrin

[Hibeebob]

God no.

I'm not getting involved in this again !

Kind of illustrates my fears raised in the Brand/Ross thread though.

Seriously who is offended by this kind of stuff ?

Sorry Hibbyradge but the worlds gone mad. (that was a joke HR, I hope I've made my peace with you) :angeldevi

[blaikie]

http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/tv/news/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=10551450&GT1=61503&ocid=today

We are heading down a dodgy path when erses like Mediawatch and the Daily Mail are actually having their opinions listened to.

Surely there has been worse said about the Queen before FFS :bitchy:

John Beyer, of MediaWatch UK, told the Daily Mail: "It is very offensive and should not have been broadcast.

"It is indicative of the sloppy way in which this kind of thing gets on air.

"There is a great deal of respect for the Queen and people do feel very strongly about any kind of disrespectful comments about her."

:blah::blah:

And what is the word that is censored in Frankie Boyle's joke?? Pr!ck wouldn't make sense and it's too long for pish? Am I being stupid? :greengrin
considering that the episode that was shown the other night is about 2 years old and has been repeated many times in the past :bitchy: whats all the fuss about :dunno: over reaction about to the Russell Brand and Jonathon woss incident :bitchy:

[Hibeebob]

Yep it was bound to happen, the media reaction to the orig incident was in MY OPINION (being ver careful with my wording there :wink:) ridiculous, and the snowball effect will no doubt be too.


Soon we will all be watching nonsense like Brian Connelly etc cause everyone will be too scared to open there mouths.

[Baw Baggio]

And what is the word that is censored in Frankie Boyle's joke?? Pr!ck wouldn't make sense and it's too long for pish? Am I being stupid? :greengrin

Pussy :faf:

Remember watching that episode months ago.

This really is getting ridiculous :bitchy:

[Steve-O]

considering that the episode that was shown the other night is about 2 years old and has been repeated many times in the past :bitchy: whats all the fuss about :dunno: over reaction about to the Russell Brand and Jonathon woss incident :bitchy:

Mediawatch and the Daily Mail seem to be suggesting that the BBC has some sort of brass neck to be airing jokes like that while the Brand/Ross debate is going on.

Why, since they are completely different matters, I don't know.

Mediawatch are a bunch of complete erses though so that explains that, and as for the Daily Mail...:blah::dummytit::jamboak:

[Steve-O]

Pussy :faf:

Remember watching that episode months ago.

This really is getting ridiculous :bitchy:

Doh! :greengrin

[GhostofBolivar]

Just as well they didn't repeat this... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHPnR0jn5Os)

[Barney McGrew]

Just as well they didn't repeat this... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHPnR0jn5Os)

That joke didn't ever go out on TV, it was part of the 'unseen' footage on the DVD they brought out.

It was only a matter of time before Mock the Week got picked up on, because a lot of the stuff on it could be deemed far more 'offensive' than what went out on Radio 2. Unfortunately, we're now in a position where the do-gooders are going to be looking at every single piece of BBC output so they can scream and shout about how the country is going to the dogs. Even if it it is, in this case, something that's years old and has been repeated on both BBC 2 and Dave many times already.

Where were their complaints when it aired first time?

[Betty Boop]

Yep it was bound to happen, the media reaction to the orig incident was in MY OPINION (being ver careful with my wording there :wink:) ridiculous, and the snowball effect will no doubt be too.

Soon we will all be watching nonsense like Brian Connelly etc cause everyone will be too scared to open there mouths. :agree: Aye Mary Whitehouse would be so proud! :bitchy:

[hibsbollah]

If this continues we will be left with wall-to-wall anodyne boring Last Night At The Paladium-style comedy.

If Al Qaeda blew up the Daily Mail presses I know whose side I'd be on:devil:

(go on, bite, you self-righteous easily offended ******s, you know you want to):wink:

[Dashing Bob S]

****** the Queen and her band of in-bred worthless parasites who've lorded it over us for centuries. It's time we all grew up became a proper democratic republic. I travel a lot for work its and embarrassing when people ask in disbelief "do you folks really have a Queen? You pay for that sh*t, right?

The sooner we get shot of that crowd of pampered dullards the better.

[marinello59]

Let's not over react to the over reaction of the public to the over reaction of the media to the over reaction of the public.

5 pages later............:greengrin

[Hank Schrader]

http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/tv/news/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=10551450&GT1=61503&ocid=today

We are heading down a dodgy path when erses like Mediawatch and the Daily Mail are actually having their opinions listened to.

Surely there has been worse said about the Queen before FFS :bitchy:

John Beyer, of MediaWatch UK, told the Daily Mail: "It is very offensive and should not have been broadcast.

"It is indicative of the sloppy way in which this kind of thing gets on air.

"There is a great deal of respect for the Queen and people do feel very strongly about any kind of disrespectful comments about her."

:blah::blah:

And what is the word that is censored in Frankie Boyle's joke?? Pr!ck wouldn't make sense and it's too long for pish? Am I being stupid? :greengrin

Jeezo, that clip has been available on Youtube for months and months and nobody has complained about that.

[hibsbollah]

I would love it if Brand and Ross came out with;

"The Queen is a hemaphrodite and takes it up the back passage":grr::dummytit::devil:

if we're going to have moral outrage lets go for it big style:thumbsup:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Been searching You Tube for that bit in the Young Ones when Alexei Sayle does a "poor" stand up comic, who resorts to nasty insults and swearing to get laughs. The funny thing is, that routine would probably be considered cutting edge now, but at the time it was meant to be ironic.

So modern comedians have become parodies of comedians, resorting to the sort of poor taste that the club comics relied on to get by. A well place swear word can be the best way to sum up a *****ing point. But when you *****ing rely on it in every *****ing phrase it actually gets in the way of what you are *****ing trying to say. Unless of course you have ***** all else to say any *****ing way.

*****ing c*nts.

[McSwanky]

Been searching You Tube for that bit in the Young Ones when Alexei Sayle does a "poor" stand up comic, who resorts to nasty insults and swearing to get laughs. The funny thing is, that routine would probably be considered cutting edge now, but at the time it was meant to be ironic.

So modern comedians have become parodies of comedians, resorting to the sort of poor taste that the club comics relied on to get by. A well place swear word can be the best way to sum up a *****ing point. But when you *****ing rely on it in every *****ing phrase it actually gets in the way of what you are *****ing trying to say. Unless of course you have ***** all else to say any *****ing way.

*****ing c*nts.

With the greatest of respect, that is complete b0ll0cks.

[Hibbyradge]

Been searching You Tube for that bit in the Young Ones when Alexei Sayle does a "poor" stand up comic, who resorts to nasty insults and swearing to get laughs. The funny thing is, that routine would probably be considered cutting edge now, but at the time it was meant to be ironic.

So modern comedians have become parodies of comedians, resorting to the sort of poor taste that the club comics relied on to get by. A well place swear word can be the best way to sum up a *****ing point. But when you *****ing rely on it in every *****ing phrase it actually gets in the way of what you are *****ing trying to say. Unless of course you have ***** all else to say any *****ing way.

*****ing c*nts.

I completely agree.

I've watched folk like Jonathan Ross and Frank Skinner swear and then look at the camera as if they've been right naughty.

Ooh, amn't I daring.

Well, no, you're not. Swearing is old, old, hat.

Kenneth Tynan was the first person to say "******" on TV. That was in 1965. It was so outrageous that some MPs argued that he should be hanged for it. That's daring!

Cutting edge isn't just about swearing and being rude.

Any ****** can do that.

[Hibbyradge]

In case you don't believe me. (http://www.laughingpoliceman.com/swear.htm)

Now some of these are funny. :agree:

[Phil D. Rolls]

With the greatest of respect, that is complete b0ll0cks.

I respect your view, but can you tell me how you came to that conclusion?

Oh, I get it. :blushie:

[Ed De Gramo]

The Daily Mail and it's melodramatic bunch of ******ed readers can bolt :agree:

Happened to read the article online and it's truly pathetic how dramatic the make it sound :agree:

If MTW is banned....or Frankie Boyle/Hugh Dennis/Andy Parsons or Russell Howard are axed....i'll find it hard to watch the BBC ever again....

Britain....a ****in nanny-state :agree:

[Steve-O]

I completely agree.

I've watched folk like Jonathan Ross and Frank Skinner swear and then look at the camera as if they've been right naughty.

Ooh, amn't I daring.

Well, no, you're not. Swearing is old, old, hat.

Kenneth Tynan was the first person to say "******" on TV. That was in 1965. It was so outrageous that some MPs argued that he should be hanged for it. That's daring!

Cutting edge isn't just about swearing and being rude.

Any ****** can do that.

Frank Skinner is funny, and having seen him in stand up, I can tell you he definitely does not rely on swearing. In fact, he hardly swears at all during his act.

[Hank Schrader]

Jeremy Clarkson in trouble this time (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7707641.stm)

:dizzy:

[Removed]

Jeremy Clarkson in trouble this time (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7707641.stm)

:dizzy:

He's been "offensive" to bikers for years and I've never felt the need to complain but there again we only kill ourselves.

Clarkson is like Brand you either love or hate and you know what you're going to get. Did the program not win an award last week?

[Phil D. Rolls]

He's been "offensive" to bikers for years and I've never felt the need to complain but there again we only kill ourselves.

Clarkson is like Brand you either love or hate and you know what you're going to get. Did the program not win an award last week?

I see nothing wrong with people having forthright opinions, but if someone makes light of murders then they should be very careful how it comes across.

[Hank Schrader]

He's been "offensive" to bikers for years and I've never felt the need to complain but there again we only kill ourselves.

Clarkson is like Brand you either love or hate and you know what you're going to get. Did the program not win an award last week?

I think until this whole Brand/Ross affair finally dies down every little thing is going to be picked up on. I remember thinking at the time that what Clarkson said was a bit risky but didn't think that many would complain. Its obviously the "in thing" to complain about offensiveness on TV just now.

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I see nothing wrong with people having forthright opinions, but if someone makes light of murders then they should be very careful how it comes across.


I think until this whole Brand/Ross affair finally dies down every little thing is going to be picked up on. I remember thinking at the time that what Clarkson said was a bit risky but didn't think that many would complain. Its obviously the "in thing" to complain about offensiveness on TV just now.


I watched the program and thought he was asking for trouble.

The inference that HGV-drivers are routinely serial killers, and that somehow the killing of prostitutes is just one of those things that happens (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more) IS offensive, and not really very funny. Not funny at all, really, IMO.

Which brings me to what I've been thinking ever since Ross and Brand and the telephone call hit the papers. That telephone call was stupid, pointless, ad terminally unfunny. Clarkson's comments about HGV drivers killing prostitutes were also (I think) stupid, pointless, and terminally unfunny.

There's such a thing as humour/comedy which offends people, but which HAS a point and IS funny. Neither Ross & Brand nor Clarkson achived that, by a very, very long way, IMO.

Part of the point of such humour is that it crosses a line which some folks consider the line of decency - we all have a line beyond which the joke isn't funny, and everyone's line is drawn at a different place. There are some things I find thoroughly offensive, which other folks will laugh at. There are things I laugh at, which other folks on this forum find hurtful and offensive.

Part of being civilised is (a) being sensitive to other people and NOT forcing humour on them that they find offensive, and (b) realising that the person telling the joke may not actually be doing so deliberately to cause offence.... And therefore cutting him/her a bit slack.

Most TVs receive a wide selection of channels and have an off-switch, in my experience. If I'm offended by Jonathon Ross and Russell Brand - which I am because whenever I've seen or heard them in the past, they've been neither funny nor clever, and I object to my licence fee contributing to their grossly-inflated salaries - I can change channels or switch off. Which I do.

Humour will always offend someone. If it's serious humour, the offence will be all the greater.

Economic collapse, famine, a cholera epidemic, the deaths of thousands of homeless poor, racism nd cannibalism aren't very funny, are they? Read Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal". Now THAT was very, very clever, and very, very offensive - in an entirely positive and genuinely satirical way.

[lapsedhibee]

Economic collapse, famine, a cholera epidemic, the deaths of thousands of homeless poor, racism nd cannibalism aren't very funny, are they?
Cannibalism's quite funny in the right hands. Have you not seen much of the Hannibal series of comic horror fillums then? (Not the bloke that crossed the Alps with elephants and then ate them - the other Hannibal.)

[GC]

Clarksons comments were meant as a joke, He is always winding some section of the population up, Jeez It's getting to a stage where the killjoys are getting their voices heard.

Sad day!!

[Hank Schrader]

I watched the program and thought he was asking for trouble.

The inference that HGV-drivers are routinely serial killers, and that somehow the killing of prostitutes is just one of those things that happens (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more) IS offensive, and not really very funny. Not funny at all, really, IMO.

Which brings me to what I've been thinking ever since Ross and Brand and the telephone call hit the papers. That telephone call was stupid, pointless, ad terminally unfunny. Clarkson's comments about HGV drivers killing prostitutes were also (I think) stupid, pointless, and terminally unfunny.

There's such a thing as humour/comedy which offends people, but which HAS a point and IS funny. Neither Ross & Brand nor Clarkson achived that, by a very, very long way, IMO.

Part of the point of such humour is that it crosses a line which some folks consider the line of decency - we all have a line beyond which the joke isn't funny, and everyone's line is drawn at a different place. There are some things I find thoroughly offensive, which other folks will laugh at. There are things I laugh at, which other folks on this forum find hurtful and offensive.

Part of being civilised is (a) being sensitive to other people and NOT forcing humour on them that they find offensive, and (b) realising that the person telling the joke may not actually be doing so deliberately to cause offence.... And therefore cutting him/her a bit slack.

Most TVs receive a wide selection of channels and have an off-switch, in my experience. If I'm offended by Jonathon Ross and Russell Brand - which I am because whenever I've seen or heard them in the past, they've been neither funny nor clever, and I object to my licence fee contributing to their grossly-inflated salaries - I can change channels or switch off. Which I do.

Humour will always offend someone. If it's serious humour, the offence will be all the greater.

Economic collapse, famine, a cholera epidemic, the deaths of thousands of homeless poor, racism nd cannibalism aren't very funny, are they? Read Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal". Now THAT was very, very clever, and very, very offensive - in an entirely positive and genuinely satirical way.

If you watched every episode of Top Gear from its return in 2003 up till Sundays episode and listed every offensive comment Clarkson has made you would indeed have one very long list. I don't think I would be wrong in thinking that if the Ross/Brand thing hadn't happened, Clarksons comments wouldn't have generated even close to the humber of complaints made. He has certainly said a lot of things in the past few years that would have caused offence but not many seemed to bother much.:dunno:

[GlesgaeHibby]

Clarkson made a topical joke as he always does, yes sometimes they are outrageous at times but some people love it, some hate it. He takes the mick out of most groups of people/motorists etc but takes it as well as was seen on sunday night when Hammond mocked him.

If you don't like it, don't watch it

[Austinho]

Unless you are a family member/friend of a murdered prostitute, or a truck driver who can't take a joke, why the hell would anyone be offended by what Clarkson said?

[Hibrandenburg]

Unless you are a family member/friend of a murdered prostitute, or a truck driver who can't take a joke, why the hell would anyone be offended by what Clarkson said?

Some people love to be offended. They were the ones at school running around with their bottom lips over their noses.

[--------]

Clarkson made a topical joke as he always does, yes sometimes they are outrageous at times but some people love it, some hate it. He takes the mick out of most groups of people/motorists etc but takes it as well as was seen on sunday night when Hammond mocked him.

If you don't like it, don't watch it


Don't get me wrong - I like the program very much, and generally speaking I agree with a lot of Clarkson's targets (speed-cameras, cyclists, pensioners in Nissan Micras, etc). And I'm certainly not suggetsing that TG should be taken off the air, or even that Clarkson should be censored in future. I'm just saying that that particular comment was stupid and not really funny, and actually IIRC James and the Hamster pulled him up about it at the time. I think the comment just came out the wrong way round - but we'll be into another 12-page thread if we start analysing exactly what he said, in what xact words, and what he might have said. Agree to differ?

"Cannibalism's quite funny in the right hands. Have you not seen much of the Hannibal series of comic horror fillums then? (Not the bloke that crossed the Alps with elephants and then ate them - the other Hannibal.)" Totally agree - Jonathan Swift, WS Gilbert, Evelyn Waugh are all thoroughly 'respectable' writers who've made jokes (good ones) about cannibalism. I haven't seen the 'Hannibal' films myself, LH (or do you mean "Silence of the Lambs" which I find rather gruesomely comic at many places?).

My point is that if you're going to be offensive, be clever as well. And pick a worthy target, not someone who can't fight back....

On which point, maybe one day soon our Jeremy'll find himself tootling up the M40 in his Volvo with an Iveco 40-tonner two feet off his back-bumper all the way in... :devil:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Clarksons comments were meant as a joke, He is always winding some section of the population up, Jeez It's getting to a stage where the killjoys are getting their voices heard.

Sad day!!

Also sad that killers are something we laugh at. Clarkson ain't funny, he's a boor that speaks for a certain section of the population and let's them think their ignorant attitudes are shared by all.