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shaun.lawson
22-10-2008, 08:10 PM
Hi all,

I'm posting this on behalf of Iain Macleod of JKB. I'm aware of what's been said on here about these threads descending into points scoring, and would implore everyone not to allow this to happen in this case. If you disagree with our campaign to stop the memorial being moved, or don't regard it as anything to do with Hibs, I entirely respect that - but with the mods' permission, would like to post this here, and ask as many Hibees as possible to attend on November 9. This is about all those from this great city who lost their lives, and ensuring the council does nothing to sully the memory of their sacrifice.


There will come a time soon when we need to put petty footballing rivalries to bed - amongst each other on JKB and with our neighbours across the city.

Sunday 9th November at Haymarket - this will probably be one of the most significant and poignant Remembrance Services ever held at the Clock, given that the Council would like to confine this memorial and it's location to the pages of history.

We can't and won't allow this to happen - this would be a terrible affront to the memory of all the lads from Edinburgh and surrounding districts who were brave enough to sign up for the cause in 1914. They didn't let anyone down and fought side by side, irrespective of what club they played for or supported - now it's our turn not to let them down.

We don't have to suffer the horrors of war or face the prospect of never returning home to our loved ones. All we have to do is turn up in numbers on Sunday 9th November and give up 45 minutes of our time and show this insensitive Council what we think of their proposal to move the memorial. It's not too much to ask, is it?

I would be grateful if someone could post this on Hibs.net - please, no points scoring on this occasion. This is too important.

Some context - a letter from Captain Peter Ross to Mrs Watt, telling her that her son (Edward) won't be coming home. Sent on the 30th June 1916

Dear Mrs watt,

It falls to me to perform a painful duty. Last night the 16th Royal Scots were ordered to send out a patrol. Your son, Edward, volunteered to take part with eleven of his pals from 'A' company. After getting through the German wire, the machine-guns opened fire on them. Your brave son was killed. It was the fate of three others also, whilst two were wounded, one of them seriously. I could hardly regret the boy's death more if he were my own son. He was one of the best men in the battalion.

It is over a month now since the Colonel sent in your boy's name for a special reward for his conduct. He was one of the first men in my Company to get home on leave owing to his magnificent work in the field. Quite apart from that, he was a very popular lad.

He was alongside his officer last night when this happened. The heavy wire they found was the cause of the calamity. But they have not died in vain. The Colonel authorises me to say that he is told by our General that the information obtained by the patrol has been the means of saving the lives of hundreds of men. Sir George is also greatly grieved over your son's death and asks me to convey his deepest respects.

I assure you that you have my heartfelt sympathy. I only wish that I could have brought the boy home with me, but I know not what awaits myself tomorrow. I put my trust in God and go to my duty with one of the finest Companies in the British Army.

I have the honour to be,
Yours very sincerely,
Peter Ross, Captain 'A' Company 16th Royal Scots.

Captain Ross was killed in action the next day.*

Hibbyradge
22-10-2008, 08:13 PM
I moved it.

lapsedhibee
22-10-2008, 08:20 PM
Can't see any connection at all between the bravery of the soldier described and the precise location of the monument. :confused:

surreyhibbie
22-10-2008, 08:52 PM
Don't like to see any War memorial moved, if I were in Edinburgh that weekend I would definitely attend.

Good luck with the protest guys.

tancy lee
22-10-2008, 09:48 PM
Can't see any connection at all between the bravery of the soldier described and the precise location of the monument. :confused:
the clock was put there so eveybody would see it and remember the sacrafice that these men made and i know its the Heart Of Midlothian war memorial to remember the people who fought and died during the two great wars but the guy Iain seems to be asking fans of Hibernian fc and other clubs that they would be most welcome at the service as fans of all clubs fought side by side with each other .we should all remember them

Toaods
22-10-2008, 09:57 PM
any idea where the memorial is for those relatives of ours who were killed in the Boer War...:dunno:.

My Great -Grandfather was killed there and my gran showed me a letter he sent from the front lines about the bar of Chocolate each soldier received for Xmas.

To my mind, these unfortunates should be remembered regardless of what war they were sent to fight in although I'd prefer to attend a service more personal to my own, .....anyone able to shed any more light?

Mibbes Aye
22-10-2008, 10:04 PM
Can't see any connection at all between the bravery of the soldier described and the precise location of the monument. :confused:

It's funny, the memorial to the people of Edinburgh who died in the First World War must have been moved already (http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet/leisure/local_history_and_heritage/monuments/memorials/CEC_stone_of_remembrance_–_edinburgh_war_memorial) :dunno:

Toaods, according to that site one of the statues on Princes Street is a memorial to the men of the Royal Scots Greys who died in the Boer War.

Toaods
22-10-2008, 11:42 PM
Toaods, according to that site one of the statues on Princes Street is a memorial to the men of the Royal Scots Greys who died in the Boer War.


thanks for that :thumbsup: - I'll take a wander along and have a look.

AndyP
23-10-2008, 07:57 AM
any idea where the memorial is for those relatives of ours who were killed in the Boer War...:dunno:.

My Great -Grandfather was killed there and my gran showed me a letter he sent from the front lines about the bar of Chocolate each soldier received for Xmas.

To my mind, these unfortunates should be remembered regardless of what war they were sent to fight in although I'd prefer to attend a service more personal to my own, .....anyone able to shed any more light?

Depends if he was Royal Scots Greys or Black Watch. The RSG one is the guy on the horse on Princes Street, the BW memorial is at The Mound

Future17
23-10-2008, 02:10 PM
Can't see any connection at all between the bravery of the soldier described and the precise location of the monument. :confused:

Think the OP is relevant to the memorial service in general, whether you think the memorial should be moved, not moved or are ambivolent.

son of haggart
23-10-2008, 06:32 PM
any idea where the memorial is for those relatives of ours who were killed in the Boer War...:dunno:.

My Great -Grandfather was killed there and my gran showed me a letter he sent from the front lines about the bar of Chocolate each soldier received for Xmas.

To my mind, these unfortunates should be remembered regardless of what war they were sent to fight in although I'd prefer to attend a service more personal to my own, .....anyone able to shed any more light?

http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Midlothian/EdinburghBoerWarGordonHighlanders.html



This is a good site and there is more information on this link

http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Midlothian/EdinburghBoerWarScotsGreys.htm

lapsedhibee
23-10-2008, 08:10 PM
Think the OP is relevant to the memorial service in general, whether you think the memorial should be moved, not moved or are ambivolent.

I took the OP to be primarily about the possible moving of the monument because of the final introductory line there, "ensuring the council does nothing to sully the memory of their sacrifice". I read this introduction to mean "please help to prevent the council moving the memorial" - nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps there is another meaning I haven't grasped. There was, for me, a disconnect between this plea and the tale of bravery which followed.

Future17
24-10-2008, 11:25 AM
I took the OP to be primarily about the possible moving of the monument because of the final introductory line there, "ensuring the council does nothing to sully the memory of their sacrifice". I read this introduction to mean "please help to prevent the council moving the memorial" - nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps there is another meaning I haven't grasped. There was, for me, a disconnect between this plea and the tale of bravery which followed.

Hearing you. :agree: