Is it offensive?

[Monts]

To say you are going out for a "chinky"?

[magnificent_seven]

Yes.

[Peevemor]

Apparently. :rolleyes:

[blaikie]

To say you are going out for a "chinky"?
Well ........ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinky

[Wembley67]

Apparently. :rolleyes:

Agree, pile of rubbish.

[Darth Hibbie]

It could be or could not be it would appear:dunno:

[magnificent_seven]

If you called someone a Chinky that would be offensive so the name for their food is as well.

The word 'chinky' falls under the same category is 'paki', so you can see why its offensive.

[Wembley67]

If you called someone a Chinky that would be offensive so the name for their food is as well.

The word 'chinky' falls under the same category is 'paki', so you can see why its offensive.

Nope, 'chinky' can be used to describe a food and a race of people. In this country it mostly gets used to describe a chinese meal - if people take that as being offiensive they have not got much to worry about in life.

[magnificent_seven]

Nope, 'chinky' can be used to describe a food and a race of people. In this country it mostly gets used to describe a chinese meal - if people take that as being offiensive they have not got much to worry about in life.

Paki is used to describe a race of people too, but you cant get away with saying that and neither can you with chinky.

I dont find it offensive but I have a chinese friend who certainly doesnt like being referred to as a chinky.

[Wembley67]

Paki is used to describe a race of people too, but you cant get away with saying that and neither can you with chinky.

I dont find it offensive but I have a chinese friend who certainly doesnt like being referred to as a chinky.

Aye but Paki is deemed an offensive word full stop as it refers to one thing and one thing only whilst Chinky does not.

What some people find offensive others don't, my cousins call me a Jock all the time but doesn't bother me a toss same as when I call them English ******s :dizzy:

[magnificent_seven]

Aye but Paki is deemed an offensive word full stop as it refers to one thing and one thing only whilst Chinky does not.

What some people find offensive others don't, my cousins call me a Jock all the time but doesn't bother me a toss same as when I call them English ******s :dizzy:

So if Pakistan opened a takeaway shop selling Pakistani food it would be ok to say you were going for a Paki? I dont think so, the word Chinky still has the same meaning. Its a word that Chinese people dont like getting called so therefore it is offensive. Its still a racial remark at the end of the day.

[Wembley67]

So if Pakistan opened a takeaway shop selling Pakistani food it would be ok to say you were going for a Paki? I dont think so, the word Chinky still has the same meaning. Its a word that Chinese people dont like getting called so therefore it is offensive. Its still a racial remark at the end of the day.


Initially people would frown upon calling it a paki but over time they will accept its part of the english language although not an official part.

[matty_f]

I think Paki is often deemed offensive when it's used to cover any nationality, for instance calling an Indian one would be offensive.

As for the original post, surely it would come down to who you said it too, like any other word (good example being the "c" word, where some folk are absolutely horrified when it's used, and others couldn't care less).

I think any word word is as offensive or inoffensive as you want it to be, based on the context it was used in, and who it's said too.

If you get called a Scot, rather than being someone who's Scottish, is that different from an abbreviated version of Chinese or Pakistani??

I dunno.:dunno:

[Peevemor]

I think Paki is often deemed offensive when it's used to cover any nationality, for instance calling an Indian one would be offensive.

As for the original post, surely it would come down to who you said it too, like any other word (good example being the "c" word, where some folk are absolutely horrified when it's used, and others couldn't care less).

I think any word word is as offensive or inoffensive as you want it to be, based on the context it was used in, and who it's said too.

If you get called a Scot, rather than being someone who's Scottish, is that different from an abbreviated version of Chinese or Pakistani??

I dunno.:dunno:


Spot on.

And I don't know either (these days!).

[SlickShoes]

Like someone said its not just Pakistani people who get called pakis, its also not just chinese people who get called chinkys, its a racial slur used to describe anyone from that corner of the world. Its like someone call you a yank just because your white.

[Monts]

Like someone said its not just Pakistani people who get called pakis, its also not just chinese people who get called chinkys, its a racial slur used to describe anyone from that corner of the world. Its like someone call you a yank just because your white.

Or being called english because your from Britain? :wink:

[Chuckie]

I have Chinese friends who refer to themselves as Chinkys and Chinese friends who don't like being called Chinkys.

It's down to the individual, but I wouldn't use the word in front of a Chinese person for fear of offending them.

I do use the word when I'm with my honky friends though.

[Peevemor]

Or being called english because your from Britain? :wink:

:grr:

[SlickShoes]

Or being called english because your from Britain? :wink:

aye i thought being called a yank was a bit more offensive though haha

[Sergio sledge]

I have Chinese friends who refer to themselves as Chinkys and Chinese friends who don't like being called Chinkys.

It's down to the individual, but I wouldn't use the word in front of a Chinese person for fear of offending them.

I do use the word when I'm with my honky friends though.

I was going to post almost the exact same thing.

Incidentally, a lot of my Chinese friends call the people from Hong Kong "Honkies." And their Hong Kongoese(?) friends call them "Chinkies." Were you referring to that or the Black persons version of Honky? :wink:

[PC Stamp]

So if Pakistan opened a takeaway shop selling Pakistani food it would be ok to say you were going for a Paki? I dont think so, the word Chinky still has the same meaning. Its a word that Chinese people dont like getting called so therefore it is offensive. Its still a racial remark at the end of the day.

Is it?

Dictionary.com defines racism as .....

rac·ism –noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

So the question is ... Are Chinese meals a race?

The term alluded to when aimed at a Chinese person is in the current day and age undoubtedly offensive in my view.

But is it really a racist remark to describe a meal in such terms? FWIW, I don't know. I would never use the term myself now. I did when I was a bit younger and I'll wager many of us did. Nowadays though in not knowing for sure if a Chinese person would deem a Chinese meal being referred to in such terms as offensive I just don't use it any more.

I do know that the previous owner of our local Chinese restaurant didn't seem to have a great problem with his meals being described as such, particularly by those worthies staggering in late of an evening after a few scoops at the local! He seemed more than happy that they were in his restaurant buying them!

I didn't ever find out his views on being called it himself though but I don't imagine he'd have been pleased if he had been.

This type of debate always throws up a wide range of answers and probably shows that none of us really know as much about the race situation as we'd maybe like to think. Some (like me) will always err on the PC/safe side .. perhaps to OTT levels while others will push the boundaries a little.

Who's right?

Anyone know for definite? :dunno:

[Mikey]

I still remember the pages and pages and pages and pages of bickering after someone asked what their favourite "chinky" was a few years ago. Jings, that was fun :greengrin

Of course it's offensive, and don't you fatty's, spotty's, ginge's, speccy's and baldy's forget it :wink:

[lEXO]

I still remember the pages and pages and pages and pages of bickering after someone asked what their favourite "chinky" was a few years ago. Jings, that was fun :greengrin

Of course it's offensive, and don't you fatty's, spotty's, ginge's, speccy's and baldy's forget it :wink:


:thumbsup:

[Peevemor]

I still remember the pages and pages and pages and pages of bickering after someone asked what their favourite "chinky" was a few years ago. Jings, that was fun :greengrin

Of course it's offensive, and don't you fatty's, spotty's, ginge's, speccy's and baldy's forget it :wink:

And if you're all of the above, well .... enough said! :cool2:

[Andy74]

Something is only offensive if you mean it to be surely? I don't use the term anymore, but I certainly used to and I'm sure my parents still do. They mean nothing by it though, it's just a shortening of a word.

[Speedy]

I think Paki is often deemed offensive when it's used to cover any nationality, for instance calling an Indian one would be offensive.

As for the original post, surely it would come down to who you said it too, like any other word (good example being the "c" word, where some folk are absolutely horrified when it's used, and others couldn't care less).

I think any word word is as offensive or inoffensive as you want it to be, based on the context it was used in, and who it's said too.

If you get called a Scot, rather than being someone who's Scottish, is that different from an abbreviated version of Chinese or Pakistani??

I dunno.:dunno:

What about if you referred to that person as "Asian"? Would that be racist? Assuming you are calling them Asian based on the way they look rather than the fact they are from Asia?

[Eurohibees]

Its an old school word for old school people, chinese, isn't that hard to say is it?

[CropleyWasGod]

Something is only offensive if you mean it to be surely? I don't use the term anymore, but I certainly used to and I'm sure my parents still do. They mean nothing by it though, it's just a shortening of a word.

Sure, but also if offence is taken. That, for me, is a more important test..

I hate being called a Jock, but many others don't mind it. Therefore, it's offensive to me.

[matty_f]

What about if you referred to that person as "Asian"? Would that be racist? Assuming you are calling them Asian based on the way they look rather than the fact they are from Asia?

If it's just based on how they look then yes, it probably is racist. The person could have been born and bred in Europe, for example, and consider themselves to be of their home nationality.

If it was based on the fact they're from Asia, then it's fine, IMHO - like calling me European.

I agree with Cliff though, I personally wouldn't use "Chinky" or "Paki" at all these days. I think generally speaking they are seen as offensive by the majority of people.

[Kaiser_Sauzee]

To say you are going out for a "chinky"?

Only if you don't offer anyone else one.

[GlesgaeHibby]

It's all stick and stones isn't it. I use the word, but I mean no offence by it at all. It is merely what I call that type of food.

[Removed]

If they're actually from the Asian continent then no, it's not racist, it's like calling me a European.

I agree with Cliff though, I personally wouldn't use "Chinky" or "Paki" at all these days. I think generally speaking they are seen as offensive by the majority of people.

:agree: or like calling me a Brit :no way: :grr:

I only stopped saying Chinky recently after one of my kids got told off at school when talking about what they'd done at the weekend and they said they'd got a chinky after the football. In my own head I did not think that Chinky was racist or offensive but I would never ever have used the term Paki. I suppose it was force of habit for me and they just copied me. If we are going for a meal at any other restaurant we'd say going for an indian, italian, mexican etc and not abbreviate it to anything else so chinese should be the same.

In the same vein then, is it offensive to refer to an Aberdeen supporter as a sheep ****ger :dunno:

[Peevemor]

:agree: or like calling me a Brit :no way: :grr:

I only stopped saying Chinky recently after one of my kids got told off at school when talking about what they'd done at the weekend and they said they'd got a chinky after the football. In my own head I did not think that Chinky was racist or offensive but I would never ever have used the term Paki. I suppose it was force of habit for me and they just copied me. If we are going for a meal at any other restaurant we'd say going for an indian, italian, mexican etc and not abbreviate it to anything else so chinese should be the same.

In the same vein then, is it offensive to refer to an Aberdeen supporter as a sheep ****ger :dunno:

Can you say that? Can you be sure they're Indian and not Bangladeshi for example? And would the world and their granny be offended if you said you were going for a bangle?

Did you know that hamburgers don't come from Hamburg? Surely somebody must be offended by that. :grr:

[ChooseLife]

I go to the pakis for fags and I'll occaisonally phone a chinky, I don't consider myself racist.

[Peevemor]

I go to the pakis for fags and I'll occaisonally phone a chinky, I don't consider myself racist.

You'd better head for the hills mate!

[GC]

I still remember the pages and pages and pages and pages of bickering after someone asked what their favourite "chinky" was a few years ago. Jings, that was fun :greengrin

Of course it's offensive, and don't you fatty's, spotty's, ginge's, speccy's and baldy's forget it :wink:

I remember that thread Mikey, I was a reader rather than a poster but as soon as I saw this thread that was the first thing i thought of:agree:

And the answer to the OP is that I would not say it in front of Chinese people or people I have just met but with Friends then I do use it as a way of describing their food.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

I go to the pakis for fags and I'll occaisonally phone a chinky, I don't consider myself racist.

You shouldn't use the term 'fags', you might offend the gay community. :greengrin

In certain contexts, the word chinky is offensive, but then any word can be offensive if used in a certain manner but not, if used in another way.

If used to describe food from a Chinese Restaurant then, IMHO, it's not being used it in a derogatory way, its simply slang for a type of food.

[Peevemor]

You shouldn't use the term 'fags', you might offend the gay community. :greengrin

In certain contexts, the word chinky is offensive, but then any word can be offensive if used in a certain manner but not, if used in another way.

If used to describe food from a Chinese Restaurant then, IMHO, it's not being used it in a derogatory way, its simply slang for a type of food.

What? Have poofs got something against smoking? :wink:

[Speedy]

You'd better head for the hills mate!

You mean the bookies? :wink:

[Storar]

I go to the pakis for fags and I'll occaisonally phone a chinky, I don't consider myself racist.

As some people in the Hibeernian team know, I'm friends with someone who's dad owns a 'paki shop' and he couldn't care less if the term was used.

It's the same as EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD. It's not as black or white (:wink:) as 'is it racist/offensive or not'.

For example, if I walk to withing about 4 feet of Shunsuke Nakamura, stare him in the eyes and point my finger at him while furiously crying "YOU'RE A CHINKY!", then yes, that would be deemed as racist.

However if I'm round at my mates house and want to order a chinky then there is absolutely no way in hell that that could possibly deemed as racist (unless of course I was expecting the postman to turn up with my brand new Sun Jihai).

I use the term when ordering a chinese meal and I make no apologies for it as there are no derogatory intentions in it in the slightest.

booyah!

[Liam_c]

I go to the pakis for fags and I'll occaisonally phone a chinky, I don't consider myself racist.


Exactly what i was going to say mate. Appart from the end bit, because i do consider myself racist, but thats another topic.... ( BTW - Been back to burtons yet )?:thumbsup:

[PC Stamp]

As some people in the Hibeernian team know, I'm friends with someone who's dad owns a 'paki shop' and he couldn't care less if the term was used.

It's the same as EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD. It's not as black or white (:wink:) as 'is it racist/offensive or not'.

For example, if I walk to withing about 4 feet of Shunsuke Nakamura, stare him in the eyes and point my finger at him while furiously crying "YOU'RE A CHINKY!", then yes, that would be deemed as racist.
However if I'm round at my mates house and want to order a chinky then there is absolutely no way in hell that that could possibly deemed as racist (unless of course I was expecting the postman to turn up with my brand new Sun Jihai).

I use the term when ordering a chinese meal and I make no apologies for it as there are no derogatory intentions in it in the slightest.

booyah!

True ... but he'd more than likely feel the need to ask why you were calling him that when he's Japanese! :wink:

[Scouse Hibee]

When you could go to the Paki's on the way for a chinky you would never meet a fag because they were all in hiding.

Now Gay is proud, Paki's is racist, Chinky is offensive and I don't give a ****. I'll say what I want when I want and voice my opinion on things that I think should never be seen in public.

[Danderhall Hibs]

True ... but he'd more than likely feel the need to ask why you were calling him that when he's Japanese! :wink:

:agree: I'd imagine he'd prefer the term "Jap".

[PC Stamp]

:agree: I'd imagine he'd prefer the term "Jap".

Or "Nip" .. as used in WWII. :agree:

Either of those and he'd likely be offended. Storar's comment he'd likely just laugh at! :greengrin

[Hibs On Tour]

You shouldn't use the term 'fags', you might offend the gay community. :greengrin

In certain contexts, the word chinky is offensive, but then any word can be offensive if used in a certain manner but not, if used in another way.

If used to describe food from a Chinese Restaurant then, IMHO, it's not being used it in a derogatory way, its simply slang for a type of food.

Simple answer is that there is no 'big book' telling people what is or what is not, offensive. Its in the eye or the ear of the beholder really. In the same way that US gangsta rappers can call each other 'nigga' but that's somehow different to anyone else using the term. The common way of 'thinking' [or rather what the mass-media tells the public to 'think'] is that' racism only exists one way - i.e. if its a white towards a non-white. Truth is its all ways around.

Anyway, surely the proof of the pudding lies with the intent in any statement rather than a [no pun intended] black-and-white list of what can or can't be said?

Which is what makes all the 'relevant' legislation about ***** like that so ****ing laughable. Like you being able to get the jail now for singing about Paul Hartley liking one up the tradesmans or the furore about big gay Sol and those ever so nasty Spurs fans.

Football is becoming ever so genteel these days. No wonder the normal, average, working man is having to try to find other things to amuse himself with in his spare time. :grr:

[Steve-O]

If it's just based on how they look then yes, it probably is racist. The person could have been born and bred in Europe, for example, and consider themselves to be of their home nationality.

If it was based on the fact they're from Asia, then it's fine, IMHO - like calling me European.

I agree with Cliff though, I personally wouldn't use "Chinky" or "Paki" at all these days. I think generally speaking they are seen as offensive by the majority of people.

Not racist at all IMO. I suppose "of Asian descent" could the way to say that but if you are describing someone (to the Polis for example), I think you could say the person appeared to be Asian without it being a racist statement!!

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another, I really can't see how saying someone looks Asian could possibly be racist?

[Sir David Gray]

I think Paki is often deemed offensive when it's used to cover any nationality, for instance calling an Indian one would be offensive.

As for the original post, surely it would come down to who you said it too, like any other word (good example being the "c" word, where some folk are absolutely horrified when it's used, and others couldn't care less).

I think any word word is as offensive or inoffensive as you want it to be, based on the context it was used in, and who it's said too.

If you get called a Scot, rather than being someone who's Scottish, is that different from an abbreviated version of Chinese or Pakistani??

I dunno.:dunno:

:agree: That's my take on it as well.

There seems to be some nationalities that you can poke fun at without being called a racist whereas others seem to be no-go areas.

I'll give you an example; Scott McDonald is frequently referred to as "Skippy" in the tabloids for no other reason than the fact that he's Australian and Skippy was a fictional kangaroo which is obviously an Australian animal.

I do not believe this is racist or offensive and neither do the press, obviously and more importantly, the Australians don't seem to mind this term, either.

To a lesser extent, people often refer to the French as "frogs" for no other reason than the fact that Frogs legs is a French delicacy.

However, when Jade Goody referred to Shilpa Shetty as "Poppadom" she was branded as a racist in the British press partly because of that term. Why is this treated differently to the Australian and French terms when poppadoms are part of Indian cuisine.

The same can be said when shortening a person's nationality. Australians are frequently referred to as "Aussies", Americans are often called "Yanks" and we are called "Scots".

Why then is it so wrong to call a Chinese person a "chinky" or say "I'm going out for a chinky" when you are not saying it to be deliberately demeaning and offensive.

I'll finish by saying that I think it's right that the word "Paki" is not used for one very good reason. People don't use it as a term of endearment and usually use it in a racist manner. People who use the term also call anyone who looks Asian a "Paki" when it's clearly derived from "Pakistani" and obviously not every Asian person is from Pakistan. In fact an Indian person would be very offended if they were called a "Paki".

[Steve-O]

:agree: That's my take on it as well.

There seems to be some nationalities that you can poke fun at without being called a racist whereas others seem to be no-go areas.

I'll give you an example; Scott McDonald is frequently referred to as "Skippy" in the tabloids for no other reason than the fact that he's Australian and Skippy was a fictional kangaroo which is obviously an Australian animal.

I do not believe this is racist or offensive and neither do the press, obviously and more importantly, the Australians don't seem to mind this term, either.

To a lesser extent, people often refer to the French as "frogs" for no other reason than the fact that Frogs legs is a French delicacy.

However, when Jade Goody referred to Shilpa Shetty as "Poppadom" she was branded as a racist in the British press partly because of that term. Why is this treated differently to the Australian and French terms when poppadoms are part of Indian cuisine.

The same can be said when shortening a person's nationality. Australians are frequently referred to as "Aussies", Americans are often called "Yanks" and we are called "Scots".

Why then is it so wrong to call a Chinese person a "chinky" or say "I'm going out for a chinky" when you are not saying it to be deliberately demeaning and offensive.

I'll finish by saying that I think it's right that the word "Paki" is not used for one very good reason. People don't use it as a term of endearment and usually use it in a racist manner. People who use the term also call anyone who looks Asian a "Paki" when it's clearly derived from "Pakistani" and obviously not every Asian person is from Pakistan. In fact an Indian person would be very offended if they were called a "Paki".

It's probably because us Scots, Brits, Aussies, and Yanks have not ever been the subject of any real racial prejudice in the past?

I would say most instances of racism are more like ignorance in the UK and it is usually blown out of proportion by many people because we feel like we are walking on egg shells re: that subject just now.

[Storar]

True ... but he'd more than likely feel the need to ask why you were calling him that when he's Japanese! :wink:

That was pretty much the point I was making:wink:

[LiverpoolHibs]

When you could go to the Paki's on the way for a chinky you would never meet a fag because they were all in hiding.

Now Gay is proud, Paki's is racist, Chinky is offensive and I don't give a ****. I'll say what I want when I want and voice my opinion on things that I think should never be seen in public.

Are you serious? :confused:

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Should I be offended when I am called a Jock down south? Sweaty Sock?
Do I complain to Westmister or Hollyrood?

Why are Americans called Yanks?. Should they be offended? :dunno:

What recourse to justice do fatties, four-eyes, Wussies and Bible-Bashers have?

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

It's probably because us Scots, Brits, Aussies, and Yanks have not ever been the subject of any real racial prejudice in the past?

I would say most instances of racism are more like ignorance in the UK and it is usually blown out of proportion by many people because we feel like we are walking on egg shells re: that subject just now.

You might want to rethink / research that.

[Steve-O]

You might want to rethink / research that.

Ok, in our lifetime...

Or if that's wrong and you are talking about Poll Tax or something, it's not really the same thing...

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Ok, in our lifetime...

Or if that's wrong and you are talking about Poll Tax or something, it's not really the same thing...

when does collective cognition become irrelevant? 50 years? 100 years?

[Tazio]

These threads on any message board always seem to miss one thing. The difference between race and nationality. Calling an Australian Skippy isn't racist, however it may well be xenophobic or stereotyping.

I imagine the people who started Hibs up all those years ago weren't too keen when the locals in Edinburgh referred to them as paddies or micks or whatever the insult was at the time.

[Chuckie]

I was going to post almost the exact same thing.

Incidentally, a lot of my Chinese friends call the people from Hong Kong "Honkies." And their Hong Kongoese(?) friends call them "Chinkies." Were you referring to that or the Black persons version of Honky? :wink:

As a black man, I was referring to the white man. :wink:

[LiverpoolHibs]

Exactly what i was going to say mate. Appart from the end bit, because i do consider myself racist, but thats another topic.... ( BTW - Been back to burtons yet )?:thumbsup:

Wow, I missed this.

Care to explain yourself?

[Hiber-nation]

What I don't understand is why people seem to have a big agenda about insisting to use words like chinky and paki when it obviously offends a lot of Asian people. Its easy to change to "a chinese" surely?

[lyonhibs]

I think Paki is often deemed offensive when it's used to cover any nationality, for instance calling an Indian one would be offensive.

As for the original post, surely it would come down to who you said it too, like any other word (good example being the "c" word, where some folk are absolutely horrified when it's used, and others couldn't care less).

I think any word word is as offensive or inoffensive as you want it to be, based on the context it was used in, and who it's said too.

If you get called a Scot, rather than being someone who's Scottish, is that different from an abbreviated version of Chinese or Pakistani??

I dunno.:dunno:

A very good point. The things is that words like "Chinky" and "Paki" - the latter in particular - have been hijacked by racist/half witted ********s into their lexicon as generic terms for anyone that looks different from them and might not agree with their "White is Right" philosophy on life.

If I am sitting with a group of mates and no-one can be arsed cooking, and I fancy a Chinese takeaway meal, I will say - without hesitation - "right I'm off for a Chinky" because, very simply, in day-to-day English language, a chinky = a Chinese takeaway meal.

People who get offended by that usage of the word need to get out more IMO

[lyonhibs]

When you could go to the Paki's on the way for a chinky you would never meet a fag because they were all in hiding.

Now Gay is proud, Paki's is racist, Chinky is offensive and I don't give a ****. I'll say what I want when I want and voice my opinion on things that I think should never be seen in public.

Jesus wept.

[LiverpoolHibs]

What I don't understand is why people seem to have a big agenda about insisting to use words like chinky and paki when it obviously offends a lot of Asian people. Its easy to change to "a chinese" surely?

It's political correctness gone mad, dontcha know!

Oh for the days when you could racially (or otherwise) abuse any minority group you liked without fear of repercussions.

:wink:

[Peevemor]

What I don't understand is why people seem to have a big agenda about insisting to use words like chinky and paki when it obviously offends a lot of Asian people. Its easy to change to "a chinese" surely?

When I were a lad, there weren't anything like the number of Chinese takeaways in Edinburgh that there are today. Relatively they were also a lot more expensive. A real treat for me, once every fortnight or so, was getting a 'chinky'. My entire family and everyone I knew referred to Chinese takeaway food in this way. There was no hint of malice - it was omething we adored after all. There was nobody who accused you of being racist because you used this term.

Now we have those, mainly from younger generations, who delight in telling us that this term is unacceptable. I'm delighted! If this is a sign that we're progressing toward a better world then I'm all for it, but things have to be taken in their proper context.

I don't know what would happen these days if 'Love they Neighbour' was repeated on the tellybox. For those who are too young, this was a sitcom about a white couple, the bloke being a racist, living next to a black souple (although 'coloured' was the PC term at the time). The dialogue was sprayed with nignogs,honkies, etc. but it was always the white racist guy who was left looking like an eejit.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Yes, they'll be telling us we can't call darkies ******s next.

It's a PC gone mad.

[Phil D. Rolls]

When I were a lad, there weren't anything like the number of Chinese takeaways in Edinburgh that there are today. Relatively they were also a lot more expensive. A real treat for me, once every fortnight or so, was getting a 'chinky'. My entire family and everyone I knew referred to Chinese takeaway food in this way. There was no hint of malice - it was omething we adored after all. There was nobody who accused you of being racist because you used this term.

Now we have those, mainly from younger generations, who delight in telling us that this term is unacceptable. I'm delighted! If this is a sign that we're progressing toward a better world then I'm all for it, but things have to be taken in their proper context.

I don't know what would happen these days if 'Love they Neighbour' was repeated on the tellybox. For those who are too young, this was a sitcom about a white couple, the bloke being a racist, living next to a black souple (although 'coloured' was the PC term at the time). The dialogue was sprayed with nignogs,honkies, etc. but it was always the white racist guy who was left looking like an eejit.

The problem was that very few got the irony - just as with Alf Garnet. As a result, they thought that it was perfectly acceptable and funny to use such terms.

In fairness, the black guy also looked an idiot and many more people remember that than what Eddie Booth (for it was he) said. A horrible horrible programme.

[Tazio]

A horrible horrible programme.

True.

Mind Your Language was much better:wink:

[LiverpoolHibs]

I'd like to hear more from the self-proclaimed racist Liam_c.

:dunno:

[Phil D. Rolls]

True.

Mind Your Language was much better:wink:

They had the Danielle factor which makes event the most racist sitcom strangely engaging.

[MyJo]

To me "chinky" is a slang term for a chinese takeaway in the same way i say chippy instead of chip shop. Its not like im barging into the place and screaming "GIMMIE A FRIED RICE YA ******ING CHINKY"

Is it just me or is it always white people that take most offence and make the most fuss about things like this nowadays :dunno:

[SlickShoes]

To me "chinky" is a slang term for a chinese takeaway in the same way i say chippy instead of chip shop. Its not like im barging into the place and screaming "GIMMIE A FRIED RICE YA ******ING CHINKY"

Is it just me or is it always white people that take most offence and make the most fuss about things like this nowadays :dunno:

I wouldnt say so no, where i live there is a chip shop run by people that are clearly of east asian origin. I have no idea if they are chinese or not as i dont speak to them or know them. Anyway every now and again the shop gets vandalised, on the outside it says "traditional fish and chips" and every now and again some local ned adds to it "made by chinkies"

This is racist and im sure this family would make a fuss over getting called it, since its used as a derogatory term towards them and others whatever context you use it in around them it will be seen as offensive.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Surely everyone knows that Chinese people don't like to be called chinkies. (Cue, my best mate's chinese and he doesn't care etc.).

It's up to the person the remark is directed at to decide whether it's offensive. As far as I know they don't like the name. That's the end of it.

[Chuckie]

Surely everyone knows that Chinese people don't like to be called chinkies. (Cue, my best mate's chinese and he doesn't care etc.).

It's up to the person the remark is directed at to decide whether it's offensive. As far as I know they don't like the name. That's the end of it.

I know a guy who is Indian and he refers to himself as paki.. :dunno:

It's a minefield !! !! !!

[Scouse Hibee]

Jesus wept.

I'm sure he did but not at my comments as he wasn't around then.:greengrin

[Scouse Hibee]

Are you serious? :confused:


Yes absolutely, don't read what isn't there though!

[LiverpoolHibs]

Yes absolutely, don't read what isn't there though!

No, no, what's there is quite enough.

[Hiber-nation]

When I were a lad, there weren't anything like the number of Chinese takeaways in Edinburgh that there are today. Relatively they were also a lot more expensive. A real treat for me, once every fortnight or so, was getting a 'chinky'. My entire family and everyone I knew referred to Chinese takeaway food in this way. There was no hint of malice - it was omething we adored after all. There was nobody who accused you of being racist because you used this term.

Now we have those, mainly from younger generations, who delight in telling us that this term is unacceptable. I'm delighted! If this is a sign that we're progressing toward a better world then I'm all for it, but things have to be taken in their proper context.

I don't know what would happen these days if 'Love they Neighbour' was repeated on the tellybox. For those who are too young, this was a sitcom about a white couple, the bloke being a racist, living next to a black souple (although 'coloured' was the PC term at the time). The dialogue was sprayed with nignogs,honkies, etc. but it was always the white racist guy who was left looking like an eejit.

Fair enough, I used these words myself when I was younger but through the 80s I decided that they were offensive so brought up my kids never to use them and they don't. In fact my daughter almost freaked when she heard my father in law saying "the paki's". Which makes me surprised there are so many younger folk on here who still use them. They're words I just never hear much these days.

I just don't see why people still want to use them, other than those with an obvious agenda.

[Hiber-nation]

When you could go to the Paki's on the way for a chinky you would never meet a fag because they were all in hiding.

Now Gay is proud, Paki's is racist, Chinky is offensive and I don't give a ****. I'll say what I want when I want and voice my opinion on things that I think should never be seen in public.

Unless this is some form of sarcasm, you're supporting the wrong team matey.

[HibsMax]

I personally use the word "chinky" to describe Chinese food, not Chinese people but context hardly matters these days so the word is simply considered to be politically incorrect.

[Scouse Hibee]

Unless this is some form of sarcasm, you're supporting the wrong team matey.

Really why's that?

[PC Stamp]

Fair enough, I used these words myself when I was younger but through the 80s I decided that they were offensive so brought up my kids never to use them and they don't. In fact my daughter almost freaked when she heard my father in law saying "the paki's". Which makes me surprised there are so many younger folk on here who still use them. They're words I just never hear much these days.

I just don't see why people still want to use them, other than those with an obvious agenda.

And there's the issue again. Offensive? Yes I think most Pakistanis or Chinese people would be offended to be referred to in those term. But is offensive racist? All those seemingly in the know about such matters would say yes. But others would say they aren't racist just offensive.

And that for me is the issue. No-one really knows what is racist and what is offensive or whether as sometimes they could be ... both!

That's why in today's age it's not difficult as someone says to say I'm away for a Chinese or I'm away to the shop!

Unless supermarkets are offended at being called shops? :wink:

PS - Storar .... would your remark be racist (as you said in bold)? Being that Nakamura is Japanese it would possibly be seen more as offensive by him because he's not Chinese. Then again, if he's offended at being called Chinese would that make him racist because he thinks he's better than a Chinese person? Am I a racist because on holiday I hate getting mistaken for being English because I'm Scottish?
Why should it bother him ... or me? Is it because we all believe our own race to be superior and therefore we are all very mildly racist? Jeezo ... see the problem on this racist/offensive issue?

Even saying it to a Chinese person would it actually be racist? Does it infer that being Chinese is inferior to being anything else? I don't know so as I said before I wouldn't consider using these terms. But is it really racist or just offensive?

[Heckys Wheel]

Exactly what i was going to say mate. Appart from the end bit, because i do consider myself racist, but thats another topic.... ( BTW - Been back to burtons yet )?:thumbsup:

In todays politically correct world I'd probably describe myself as a racist.

I've eaten Chinky's all my life, used to go to the pakki's for fags and i call every asian person I meet chopstick.

I lived in korea for a month and it was torture. I came to dislike asians from their attitude to their smell. This probably makes me a racist. What you gonna do though? :dunno:

[Wembley67]

In todays politically correct world I'd probably describe myself as a racist.

I've eaten Chinky's all my life, used to go to the pakki's for fags and i call every asian person I meet chopstick.

I lived in korea for a month and it was torture. I came to dislike asians from their attitude to their smell. This probably makes me a racist. What you gonna do though? :dunno:

Probably wrong to laugh (:blah:) but :tee hee:

[SlickShoes]

In todays politically correct world I'd probably describe myself as a racist.

I've eaten Chinky's all my life, used to go to the pakki's for fags and i call every asian person I meet chopstick.

I lived in korea for a month and it was torture. I came to dislike asians from their attitude to their smell. This probably makes me a racist. What you gonna do though? :dunno:

How about change?

You cant say you dislike all asians becuase you didnt enjoy your time in korea!

You had one bad experience and now you dislike 3 billion people for it simply because of the way they look and colour of there skin?

Also the reason its racist is because it has been used as a racial slur. Im sure everyone buying chinese takeaway arent the ones that used it as a racial slur but it has been so it has that stigma attatched to it now.

If a black person opened a shop i wouldnt say im away down to the "blacks" or down to the "N*****s" to buy some juice.

[rainman]

How about change?

You cant say you dislike all asians becuase you didnt enjoy your time in korea!

You had one bad experience and now you dislike 3 billion people for it simply because of the way they look and colour of there skin?

Also the reason its racist is because it has been used as a racial slur. Im sure everyone buying chinese takeaway arent the ones that used it as a racial slur but it has been so it has that stigma attatched to it now.

If a black person opened a shop i wouldnt say im away down to the "blacks" or down to the "N*****s" to buy some juice.

The corner shop down from my house was owned by Black Bob. :agree:

Actually I think that was because the whole shop was f***ing clarty and smelled of baby vomit.

[SlickShoes]

The corner shop down from my house was owned by Black Bob. :agree:

Actually I think that was because the whole shop was f***ing clarty and smelled of baby vomit.

There was also a "black bob" where i stayed as a youngster and he was also a white guy who was just a totally manky and never washed lol

[rainman]

There was also a "black bob" where i stayed as a youngster and he was also a white guy who was just a totally manky and never washed lol

Black ivy's chinese in port Seton was the same.

They did a mean Dug and Black bean sauce. :greengrin

[LiverpoolHibs]

Probably wrong to laugh (:blah:) but :tee hee:

Yeah, that's hilarious.

:confused:

[Hiber-nation]

Really why's that?

Sorry, I though that Hibs fans had that bit of class that the likes of herts and huns fans didn't. I'm wrong obviously.

[Scouse Hibee]

Sorry, I though that Hibs fans had that bit of class that the likes of herts and huns fans didn't. I'm wrong obviously.


As if you could catergorise someone's class by the football team they followed, what a bizarre thought!!!

Please explain what bit of class you think I don't have and I'll then put you right as to your misconceptions regarding me. :greengrin

[LiverpoolHibs]

As if you could catergorise someone's class by the football team they followed, what a bizarre thought!!!

Please explain what bit of class you think I don't have and I'll then put you right as to your misconceptions regarding me. :greengrin

You genuinely see absolutely nothing wrong with this?


When you could go to the Paki's on the way for a chinky you would never meet a fag because they were all in hiding.

Now Gay is proud, Paki's is racist, Chinky is offensive and I don't give a ****. I'll say what I want when I want and voice my opinion on things that I think should never be seen in public.

Yearning for a time when gay people were 'in hiding' and you could racially abuse minority groups?

You'd think that supporting a football club founded by immigrants might give you a modicum of empathy for ethnic minorities.

N.B. What don't you think should be seen in public?

[Scouse Hibee]

You genuinely see absolutely nothing wrong with this?



Yearning for a time when gay people were 'in hiding' and you could racially abuse minority groups?

You'd think that supporting a football club founded by immigrants might give you a modicum of empathy for ethnic minorities.

N.B. What don't you think should be seen in public?

Did I say I was yearning for this time, I certainly did not. Do you think I am a homophobic racist because you couldn't be more wrong. And I don't go for the whole I support a team because of their roots,founders or any of the other crap that mindless morons seem to find for jumping on the proverbial bandwagon of why they love one team and hate another.

[LiverpoolHibs]

Did I say I was yearning for this time, I certainly did not.

I assumed that was the implication, apologies if not.

You didn't answer my other question.

[Scouse Hibee]

I assumed that was the implication, apologies if not.

You didn't answer my other question.


Look, I wrote the post with a certain irony and a hint of sarcasm which I believed would result in assumptions about my beliefs on racism and sexuality, the same assumptions that I felt were being made about people who still use the term Chinky etc. If it was too clever for some people I apologise.

[LiverpoolHibs]

Look, I wrote the post with a certain irony and a hint of sarcasm which I believed would result in assumptions about my beliefs on racism and sexuality, the same assumptions that I felt were being made about people who still use the term Chinky etc. If it was too clever for some people I apologise.

Ha, right you are...

:hmmm:

[Zeberdee]

I do not consider myself a racist but regularly say im going for a chinky. Just the same as i say im goin for a chippy! or to mcds!

Its simply a short way of saying chinese and is not used racistly by 99.99% of the population!

[Storar]

Ha, right you are...

:hmmm:

I believe that some people still haven't answered your questions.

Have you decided that people are allowed to have their own opinions and don't have to answer to you or are you busy annoying someone else?

[Storar]

I believe that some people still haven't answered your questions.

Have you decided that people are allowed to have their own opinions and don't have to answer to you or are you busy annoying someone else?

I'm still waiting to hear more of LiverpoolHibs pretentious ramblings on this topic:confused:

[Storar]

I'm still waiting to hear more of LiverpoolHibs pretentious ramblings on this topic:confused:

You still haven't answered my question.

[LiverpoolHibs]

I believe that some people still haven't answered your questions.

Have you decided that people are allowed to have their own opinions and don't have to answer to you or are you busy annoying someone else?


I'm still waiting to hear more of LiverpoolHibs pretentious ramblings on this topic:confused:


You still haven't answered my question.

Touché!

[RobbieHibs]

For example, if I walk to withing about 4 feet of Shunsuke Nakamura, stare him in the eyes and point my finger at him while furiously crying "YOU'RE A CHINKY!", then yes, that would be deemed as racist.




And Stooooopid - He's Japanese :greengrin

[Storar]

And Stooooopid - He's Japanese :greengrin

And another one who missed the irony:wink:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Isn't amazing how racists - and generally small minded nasty people - have come to hide behing irony? I feel like I've walked into a meeting of the Jimmy Carr fan club here.

Small town gonads the lot of you.

[SlickShoes]

I do not consider myself a racist but regularly say im going for a chinky. Just the same as i say im goin for a chippy! or to mcds!

Its simply a short way of saying chinese and is not used racistly by 99.99% of the population!

65.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

[Scouse Hibee]

Isn't amazing how racists - and generally small minded nasty people - have come to hide behing irony? I feel like I've walked into a meeting of the Jimmy Carr fan club here.

Small town gonads the lot of you.


Well rest assured you haven't, you posted on a thread where people were responding to the question "Is it offensive"? If your small mind can't handle that then don't post on it. :bye:

[Monts]

65.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

The other 34.6% are made up while on the move :agree:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Well rest assured you haven't, you posted on a thread where people were responding to the question "Is it offensive"? If your small mind can't handle that then don't post on it. :bye:

Yeah, but many have then gone on to make offensive remarks dressed up as irony. So I thought I'd comment on that aspect of the thread.

[The Green Goblin]

My tuppence on this...

The word `chinky` is not offensive, but I don`t think there is such a thing as an offensive word, because it is not the word itself which is offensive, but the implication and extra meaning that it might have. Meanings of words can change according to changes in society.

Take the word ni**er, which was freely used several decades ago but today is utterly offensive, because its use and meaning has an unpleasant association which has built up over time. As progress has been made with regard to the treatment of some groups within society, so their `labels` have been re-evaluated, and rightly so, or we would not be moving forward towards a hopefully more enlightened attitude towards them.

What matters is not the word itself but what associations are attached to it. Therefore, the word `chinky` itself may not be offensive, but its intention or meaning might well be, as it may suggest a derogatory view of Chinese people, even if it`s not intended. It`s the same with `paki` or any other similar word.

The case in point where words themselves are not offensive but the meanings attached to them are, is in Father Ted, with the use of the word `f-e-c-k`. It differs from its swear word relative by only one letter and it proves my point exactly.

People associate and project a strong meaning to the word fu** because that is how the word has come to be viewed over time in the English speaking world. However, on paper, just like `f-e-c-k`, its only a string of 4 letters, nothing more nothing less. What matters is the meaning behind it that people understand when they hear it, not the word itself.

GG

[Tazio]

Just realised that it isn't considered offensive to call a big frizzy 80's hairstyle an afro.

Not sure what that adds to the debate though.

[Lucius Apuleius]

I cannot get excited about this. I agree with the good PC's comments earlier. It is food we are talking about, not people. The discussion started around was it racist to call having a chinky racist. Now, unless the OP was talikng about physically "having" a Chinese lady, then obviously he was talking about food and I cannot for the life of me see where calling food is racist. I would certainly never call a Chinese person a Chinky, but food? No problem at all. Same as I say I am going for an Indian when I am probably going to a Bangladeshi or Pakistani restaurant.

[CRAZYHIBBY]

i went to an "asian" shop yesterday for baking soda and they owner said he didnt have any but i should try the paki on the corner......strange but true

[lobster]

i went to an "asian" shop yesterday for baking soda and they owner said he didnt have any but i should try the paki on the corner......strange but true

And says a lot really for our silly little fixations. Heard of a similar experience in court when after having admonished a witness for saying 'paki shop', the next witness was asked by the judge/guy with wig on who he was...he replied, 'the owner of the paki shop'!

Surely its not beyond folk to determine for themselves whether people are being racist or not when they use daft words like 'chinky'? Racism is clearly vile and moronic but it bothers me a lot that some twits think they can decide what other people should say or think. Middle-class right-on bull**** in my opinion.

[Craig_in_Prague]

I could murder a chinky tonight.

:drool:

velly nice flied lice :duck:

[Big_D]

I've read some outrageous stuff on here over the years but this thread really does take the biscuit ........................................
I can't believe a certain poster thinks Skippy wasn't real :grr:

[majorhibs]

And says a lot really for our silly little fixations. Heard of a similar experience in court when after having admonished a witness for saying 'paki shop', the next witness was asked by the judge/guy with wig on who he was...he replied, 'the owner of the paki shop'!

Surely its not beyond folk to determine for themselves whether people are being racist or not when they use daft words like 'chinky'? Racism is clearly vile and moronic but it bothers me a lot that some twits think they can decide what other people should say or think. Middle-class right-on bull**** in my opinion.

Aye, yer twits imo are mainly to be found amongst those considering themselves enlightened, but these loudest shouters imo again about "racism" have only ever experienced things pretty close to where they call home, none of them ever seems to be willing to face up to the fact that there is idiots from every creed & colour, if you've been around then you'll realise some people from some countries are sound, others from the same place offend you. Try meeting some of the coloured guys from Trinidad, see what you think, the guys I knew were good lads, but their language would make a sailor blush if thats no too offensive to sailors, but the years I worked with them, I dont think I said the word "******" once, but they called me, themselves, & practically everybody else ******s amongst other numerous profanities, & you know what, neither them or me were ever much offended, that was how they were brought up & just how they talked. Mind theres plenty around these shores to be offended for everybody else though, eh?

[Landells]

I personally see nothing wrong with it.

[MrRobot]

I don't see anything wrong with it. Calling a Chinese person a 'Chinky' to their face could be condemned as wrong(depending on how they took it), but saying "I'm just going for a chinky" isn't I belive. The term 'Chinky' in this case is meant more for the style of food, and not the person/people that are making/selling it. It is assosciated with a chinese meal and isn't aimed at the race, just at the type of food.

Could be seen as saying you're going for a Miccy D's, BK, Chippy etc. It's just a slang term for chinese food I believe, and no real harm unless your aiming it at a Chinese person.

[richard_pitts]

When you could go to the Paki's on the way for a chinky you would never meet a fag because they were all in hiding.

Now Gay is proud, Paki's is racist, Chinky is offensive and I don't give a ****. I'll say what I want when I want and voice my opinion on things that I think should never be seen in public.

You are a scouser...
A smelly scouser...
You're only happy on giro day
Your mum's a stealer,
Your dad's a dealer,
Please don't take my hubcaps away...

:singing:

A little too ironic for you? :wink:Oh come on it's all a joke! Anyway has the potato famine not finished yet? By extension why are you still here? :confused:

Everyone has different views on what they regard as acceptable and what they don't. Everything also has a context :blah: e.g. I'm quite sure if I used the term Paddy Waggon on here to describe a Police van or referred to Fenians, the bhoys of the pseudo-smellic brigade on here would be trying to string me up :greengrin

Chinky is a term of abuse for Chinese people. Whilst I don't think everyone who uses the term is racist, and I think that the average person being called a "****ing chinky" by neds on the street would swap it for someone referring to going out for a Chinky, I do understand why it's regarded as offensive by extension. It's like talking about "mongs" or "spazzers" as far as I'm concerned.

[Storar]

Is it offensive to call Larry Kingston a looky looky man :greengrin

[LiverpoolHibs]

Is it offensive to call Larry Kingston a looky looky man :greengrin

Yes.

I hope that isn't too pretentious for you...

[Storar]

Yes.

I hope that isn't too pretentious for you...
To be honest, I don't really care :thumbsup:

[LiverpoolHibs]

To be honest, I don't really care :thumbsup:

Well done...

[Storar]

Well done...

Well done with what?

[LiverpoolHibs]

Well done with what?

With not caring.

[Storar]

With not caring.

Right. I'm not sure why I'm being congratulated but I appreciate the sentiment all the same.

Do you take offence to calling Celtic or Rangers fans 'buckfast guzzling jakies'?

[LiverpoolHibs]

Right. I'm not sure why I'm being congratulated but I appreciate the sentiment all the same.

Do you take offence to calling Celtic or Rangers fans 'buckfast guzzling jakies'?

That was the irony you've been banging on about recently...

And no, I don't. But then again, there isn't any comparison.

[Storar]

That was the irony you've been banging on about recently...

And no, I don't. But then again, there isn't any comparison.

Is there not?

Explain to me how calling Larry Kingston a looky looky man is different to calling a Glaswegian Rangers player a buckie drinking ned?

[LiverpoolHibs]

Is there not?

Explain to me how calling Larry Kingston a looky looky man is different to calling a Glaswegian Rangers player a buckie drinking ned?

One is based on a racial stereotype.

The other is based on a regional stereotype.

It's fairly simple.

[Bayern Bru]

i love how storar is trying to make sense out of all this and his killer darts is "is ga-ay."

Oh the irony.

:greengrin:greengrin

[MyJo]

One is based on a racial stereotype.

The other is based on a regional stereotype.

It's fairly simple.

as far as i am aware a "looky looky man" is not characterised by the colour of his skin but more by the way in which he tries to sell things, eg "looky looky at this, you buy it for your wife?" i've encountered lots and lot of looky looky men/women, black people in the caribbean, hispanics in America and Mexico and white people in Blackpool so to class the term as a racial sterotype is wide of the mark.