Undercover Soldier

[Betty Boop]

Anybody watch this? A great advert for recruitment for the British Army!:bye:

[fergal7]

Have to say it is a sorry state of affairs of todays youth if getting a slap, and lets face it that all it was, from a corporal in training warrants an undercover special from the BBC and the Army being taken to task for it, God help us all.

Todays Youth...... PUSSY'S

[Betty Boop]

Have to say it is a sorry state of affairs of todays youth if getting a slap, and lets face it that all it was, from a corporal in training warrants an undercover special from the BBC and the Army being taken to task for it, God help us all.

Todays Youth...... PUSSY'SSo the Private at the beginnning of the programme who was left paralysed, after suffering a brain haemorrage, was a pussy? He got "slapped" with a stick about the head.

[fergal7]

So the Private at the beginnning of the programme who was left paralysed, after suffering a brain haemorrage, was a pussy? He got "slapped" with a stick about the head.

The stick was thrown at him, unfortunate result, feel sorry for the guy (genuinely)

We need men in the army not undercover reporters.

[Hibbychick]

I thought the programme was a bit embarrassing for the BBC TBH.

The reporter never captured any 'hard evidence' and it was all "he said this", "he done that" and we all know how stories can be exaggerated.
I am not saying nothing happened as it was quite obvious it something did and I am certainly not excusing the corporals behaviour but what it did show was that the Army is serious about stamping out bullying behaviour and took immediate steps when an incident was reported.

Instructors are becoming more aware of what they are and aren't allowed to say/do when it comes to training recruits and recruits are encouraged to report any incidents of bullying so incidents like the ones described will hopefully become a rareity sooner rather than later.

I did however notice that not a lot was made of the racist comments made by some of the recruits.. Their parents must be so proud!

[Betty Boop]

Five instructors suspended http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/army-training-instructors-suspended-after-bullying-expos-935413.html

[Crossgates Hibs]

Have to say it is a sorry state of affairs of todays youth if getting a slap, and lets face it that all it was, from a corporal in training warrants an undercover special from the BBC and the Army being taken to task for it, God help us all.

Todays Youth...... PUSSY'S


Agree 100% and if getting a slap for undermiming and back chat is unacceptable then so is a lack of respect. The BBC need to get a life and stop wasting our money on this drivel whats next stationary being stolen from the workplace or how about theft from taxpayers for an underperforming telly station wasting tax payers money on total rubbish. These young lads will be in Afganistan or Iraq shortly and need to be mentally tough and take orders without question so if a slap is dished out along the way then its a part of life and a lesson learnt hopefully. This was not bullying and the BBC should take a good look at itself before trying to smear muck when there is no reason to.
Why not make something about banks or polititions ripping us all off far worse IMO:grr:

[steakbake]

I thought the programme was a bit embarrassing for the BBC TBH.

The reporter never captured any 'hard evidence' and it was all "he said this", "he done that" and we all know how stories can be exaggerated.
I am not saying nothing happened as it was quite obvious it something did and I am certainly not excusing the corporals behaviour but what it did show was that the Army is serious about stamping out bullying behaviour and took immediate steps when an incident was reported.

Instructors are becoming more aware of what they are and aren't allowed to say/do when it comes to training recruits and recruits are encouraged to report any incidents of bullying so incidents like the ones described will hopefully become a rareity sooner rather rthat later.

I did however notice that not a lot was made of the racist comments made by some of the recruits.. Their parents must be so proud!

They probably got those attitudes from their parents in the first place.

Okay, so not an astounding amount of evidence. But I do think that the MOD has a lot to answer for for Deepcut and some of the shecht that went on there.

People sign up to the army to do a job for queen and country (naively, in my own view). That does not give the MOD and their employees licence to beat, abuse and bully the recruits.

Sure a clip round the ear for insubordination, but some of the stuff going on at deepcut was dark. We're talking reported and documented instances of young lads being raped, people being shot and merciless beatings of new recruits. Thats nothing to do with making someone a man.

With Iraq and Afghanistan as well as well publicised instances of abuse of new recruits, anyone joining the army today must seriously need their head read.

[marinello59]

They probably got those attitudes from their parents in the first place.

Okay, so not an astounding amount of evidence. But I do think that the MOD has a lot to answer for for Deepcut and some of the shecht that went on there.

People sign up to the army to do a job for queen and country (naively, in my own view). That does not give the MOD and their employees licence to beat, abuse and bully the recruits.

Sure a clip round the ear for insubordination, but some of the stuff going on at deepcut was dark. We're talking reported and documented instances of young lads being raped, people being shot and merciless beatings of new recruits. Thats nothing to do with making someone a man.

With Iraq and Afghanistan as well as well publicised instances of abuse of new recruits, anyone joining the army today must seriously need their head read.

I don't think anybody will ever defend what went on in Deepcut. Hopefully the truth will come out some day.
But for anybody who has never been through it military basic training it may well look like bullying. The miltary spokesman who described it as robust had it spot on. These guys are being trained to face extraordinary conditions. The reports of rape, shootings and beatings are far from the norm. Did this TV programme actually provide hard eveidence of this happening at the establishment concerned? Or was it more a case of a journalist having his story written before he went undercover then grasping at any amount of heresay to make the facts fit in with it?

[majorhibs]

I don't think anybody will ever defend what went on in Deepcut. Hopefully the truth will come out some day.
But for anybody who has never been through it military basic training it may well look like bullying. The miltary spokesman who described it as robust had it spot on. These guys are being trained to face extraordinary conditions. The reports of rape, shootings and beatings are far from the norm. Did this TV programme actually provide hard eveidence of this happening at the establishment concerned? Or was it more a case of a journalist having his story written before he went undercover then grasping at any amount of heresay to make the facts fit in with it?

Ach dinnae spoil their fun wi that one- robust? Military training? How dare they? Nae wonder all these experts are outraged! You dont have to have joined the military to know that robust is just not on! Too much common sense there mr 59.

[Pete]

I don't think anybody will ever defend what went on in Deepcut. Hopefully the truth will come out some day.
But for anybody who has never been through it military basic training it may well look like bullying. The miltary spokesman who described it as robust had it spot on. These guys are being trained to face extraordinary conditions. The reports of rape, shootings and beatings are far from the norm. Did this TV programme actually provide hard eveidence of this happening at the establishment concerned? Or was it more a case of a journalist having his story written before he went undercover then grasping at any amount of heresay to make the facts fit in with it?

Even things like "verbal abuse" and "manhandling" can't even begin to prepare soldiers for what they'll experience in theatres of war.

No doubt the day will come when it's re-packaged as the "British army service"

[steakbake]

I don't think anybody will ever defend what went on in Deepcut. Hopefully the truth will come out some day.
But for anybody who has never been through it military basic training it may well look like bullying. The miltary spokesman who described it as robust had it spot on. These guys are being trained to face extraordinary conditions. The reports of rape, shootings and beatings are far from the norm. Did this TV programme actually provide hard eveidence of this happening at the establishment concerned? Or was it more a case of a journalist having his story written before he went undercover then grasping at any amount of heresay to make the facts fit in with it?

You're not wrong. The guy already had his conclusion decided, he was just after some footage which confirmed what he already thought he knew.

I don't believe that he found it on the evidence presented on BBC. It was bollocks.

The racism was appalling but, the MOD are after bodies to put on the front line who can point and shoot a gun and take orders or a bullet without question, not eloquent politicos who can argue for what they believe in.

[Mibbes Aye]

At the risk of possibly trivialising the debate, surely this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hopNAI8Pefg) has a bearing on matters? :greengrin