The Jehovas Witnesses

[Mr Loverman]

I get them calling a lot where I stay.

Does anyone understand what they believe?

I think they have their own bible called the watch tower or something.

Seem strange. They are round here every few months.

[Hibrandenburg]

I get them calling a lot where I stay.

Does anyone understand what they believe?

I think they have their own bible called the watch tower or something.

Seem strange. They are round here every few months.

They believe there is going to be a new world order after the apocalypse, which is due any minute now. Only the chosen few will be saved and able to enjoy the pleasures of paradise.

You don't have a yam scarf in one of your bedroom windows, maybe that's what's attracting them? :wink:

[Jay]

We have had a few round here recently, most of them are fine when I say I am not interested but one guy started reading scriptures to me and asking my opinion on them - I had to be quite blunt with him in the end, I felt really bad :boo hoo:

[blaikie]

We get them around here once every few months :greengrin Got them before christmas last year I thought it was Carol singers :devil:

[GlesgaeHibby]

We have had a few round here recently, most of them are fine when I say I am not interested but one guy started reading scriptures to me and asking my opinion on them - I had to be quite blunt with him in the end, I felt really bad :boo hoo:

Why should you feel bad? They should feel bad going round preaching lies.

[Jay]

Why should you feel bad? They should feel bad going round preaching lies.

Ocht I know but I am not good at not being nice. I did once have a right go at one who said I was being punished for the sins of my forefathers because my son (who was actually a wee boy I had on respite care) was disabled. I let rip big style. Vile vile thing to say to a parent.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I heard they didn't turn up for his trial, and now he's banged up. Some pals them!

[marinello59]

I heard they didn't turn up for his trial, and now he's banged up. Some pals them!

Maybe they were leant on by a group of atheist heavies to say they seen nothing, right. :agree:

[Greentinted]

Next time they turn up, ask them in, make them comfortable and ask them "Now what?"
They will probably reply "Dunno, never got this far before!":greengrin

[danhibees1875]

Why should you feel bad? They should feel bad going round preaching lies.

lies? or a different opinion?

[Speedy]

lies? or a different opinion?

Utter mince

[richard_pitts]

I think they predicted the end of the world last year didn't they? :confused: I also note they predicted it in 1979 :dunno: Do you think Boabster off sickbag is one? He predicted the apocalypse before Hibs won another trophy before the Killie game! :na na:

[alex plode]

Ocht I know but I am not good at not being nice. I did once have a right go at one who said I was being punished for the sins of my forefathers because my son (who was actually a wee boy I had on respite care) was disabled. I let rip big style. Vile vile thing to say to a parent.

They're a despicable bunch.
Just finished reading about a girl who's JW father died after refusing a blood transfusion. She felt devastated he'd chosen "religion" over her. She couldn't leave the cult for fear of eternal death and threat from her mother that after armageddon (when paradise comes) there's an earthly resurrection of dead Witnesses so her dad would re-appear and have to be told his daughter hadn't loved him or Jehovah enough.

On the bright side, Armageddon was due in 1975 and many Witnesses took out big loans they couldn't pay back :greengrin

[Mr Loverman]

They're a despicable bunch.
Just finished reading about a girl who's JW father died after refusing a blood transfusion. She felt devastated he'd chosen "religion" over her. She couldn't leave the cult for fear of eternal death and threat from her mother that after armageddon (when paradise comes) there's an earthly resurrection of dead Witnesses so her dad would re-appear and have to be told his daughter hadn't loved him or Jehovah enough.

On the bright side, Armageddon was due in 1975 and many Witnesses took out big loans they couldn't pay back :greengrin

You are kidding aren't you?

[alex plode]

You are kidding aren't you?

They're not allowed blood transfusions
Chap in question got his wisdom teeth extracted, didn't stop bleeding, refused help and died.

Any religion which worships a truly judgemental and punishing God such as Jehova; is vile in my book.

[GlesgaeHibby]

You are kidding aren't you?

Nope was in the newspapers when it happened. Horrible they'd quite happily let themselves die rather than take a blood transfusion. His wife was fully behind him too, horrible to hear.

[Wembley67]

Nope was in the newspapers when it happened. Horrible they'd quite happily let themselves die rather than take a blood transfusion. His wife was fully behind him too, horrible to hear.

I hear what your saying but surely you have to respect the decision and faith an individual chooses to follow as long it is not causing harm to anyone else?

[SuzySubaru]

I hear what your saying but surely you have to respect the decision and faith an individual chooses to follow as long it is not causing harm to anyone else?


Fair enough - but what about the cases in which JW parents have chosen to sit back and watch their children die for want of a blood transfusion, or a husband watching his wife die in childbirth for the same reason?

[Wembley67]

Nope was in the newspapers when it happened. Horrible they'd quite happily let themselves die rather than take a blood transfusion. His wife was fully behind him too, horrible to hear.


Fair enough - but what about the cases in which JW parents have chosen to sit back and watch their children die for want of a blood transfusion, or a husband watching his wife die in childbirth for the same reason?

It would be a horrible situation to be in but again it comes down to what the person believes and how strong that belief is I imagine.

[LiverpoolHibs]

lies? or a different opinion?

Lies, definitely lies.

[GlesgaeHibby]

It would be a horrible situation to be in but again it comes down to what the person believes and how strong that belief is I imagine.

It's fine if its an adult making a conscious decision, but not if they are making a decision for a kid they have indoctrinated into believing.

[Hibrandenburg]

I still can't get my head around the fact that in 2008 people still need to believe in the supernatural to fill some spiritual gap in their personality.

Can't we just try and be the best we can to ourselves and others without having to follow some rule book.

Sorry if this offends some folks, but I just don't get it :dunno:

[Petrie's Tache]

I still can't get my head around the fact that in 2008 people still need to believe in the supernatural to fill some spiritual gap in their personality.

Can't we just try and be the best we can to ourselves and others without having to follow some rule book.

Sorry if this offends some folks, but I just don't get it :dunno:


Spot on. My sentiments exactly. I feel those people have something missing in their lives or a need to believe, rather than just accepting what is.

As above sorry if this offends!

[steakbake]

Apparently, there is space for 100,000 people in heaven according to the Jehovah Witnesses.

There are 7.6million of them around the world.

I find it hard to understand why Christians cannot see the difference between the vengeful god of the Old Testament and the apparently all-forgiving and benevolent one in the New Testament. Clearly two separate beings.

Anyhow, contradiction and religion go hand in hand.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Apparently, there is space for 100,000 people in heaven according to the Jehovah Witnesses.

There are 7.6million of them around the world.

I find it hard to understand why Christians cannot see the difference between the vengeful god of the Old Testament and the apparently all-forgiving and benevolent one in the New Testament. Clearly two separate beings.

Anyhow, contradiction and religion go hand in hand.

Exactly, and this surely implies that even God is not perfect, which implies that God has to have been devised by man.

Each to their own though, If somebody wants to be faithful and is peaceful about it then they can go ahead, its when it becomes fundamentalism that the problems start.

[alex plode]

Apparently, there is space for 100,000 people in heaven according to the Jehovah Witnesses. 144,000,00 spaces reseved for for the elite who will sit in heaven with Jesus and rule as kings & priests - the rest of them will have eternal life in paradise on earth.


I still can't get my head around the fact that in 2008 people still need to believe in the supernatural to fill some spiritual gap in their personality.

The idea's a bit patronising that there's a gap or "something missing" in someone's life, for them to (blindly) follow religion.

Religion's provided "answers" over the years to most of life's unanswerables; like how we come to exist for example.
The appeal of the straightforward religious, solution is easy to see - and it's mostly positive. Only when bizarre sects and cults get mentioned (like the JW's) - do people bump their gums.

[Petrie's Tache]

144,000,00 spaces reseved for for the elite who will sit in heaven with Jesus and rule as kings & priests - the rest of them will have eternal life in paradise on earth.



The idea's a bit patronising that there's a gap or "something missing" in someone's life, for them to (blindly) follow religion.

Religion's provided "answers" over the years to most of life's unanswerables; like how we come to exist for example.
The appeal of the straightforward religious, solution is easy to see - and it's mostly positive. Only when bizarre sects and cults get mentioned (like the JW's) - do people bump their gums.




:faf:

[steakbake]

[QUOTE=alex plode;1760381]144,000,00 spaces reseved for for the elite who will sit in heaven with Jesus and rule as kings & priests - the rest of them will have eternal life in paradise on earth.
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Sounds like a politician trying to explain the waitings lists! :wink:

Fair play, I am not wholly familiar with the doctrine of the JWs.

[Hibrandenburg]

144,000,00 spaces reseved for for the elite who will sit in heaven with Jesus and rule as kings & priests - the rest of them will have eternal life in paradise on earth.


The idea's a bit patronising that there's a gap or "something missing" in someone's life, for them to (blindly) follow religion.

Religion's provided "answers" over the years to most of life's unanswerables; like how we come to exist for example.
The appeal of the straightforward religious, solution is easy to see - and it's mostly positive. Only when bizarre sects and cults get mentioned (like the JW's) - do people bump their gums.


Sounds like one of Vlad's promises, are you a believer AP?

[steakbake]

144,000,00 spaces reseved for for the elite who will sit in heaven with Jesus and rule as kings & priests - the rest of them will have eternal life in paradise on earth.



The idea's a bit patronising that there's a gap or "something missing" in someone's life, for them to (blindly) follow religion.

Religion's provided "answers" over the years to most of life's unanswerables; like how we come to exist for example.
The appeal of the straightforward religious, solution is easy to see - and it's mostly positive. Only when bizarre sects and cults get mentioned (like the JW's) - do people bump their gums.


Actually, Al, now I come to think of it its a valid point.

This is how some people decide to settle the questions they have about life. If that works for them, then that's just dandy.

You can put your trust in a higher power, circumvent a lot of the awkward questions and have a format for deciding your morals all in the one package. It is appealling. I suppose the same could be said for science.

[Peevemor]

Actually, Al, now I come to think of it its a valid point.

This is how some people decide to settle the questions they have about life. If that works for them, then that's just dandy.

You can put your trust in a higher power, circumvent a lot of the awkward questions and have a format for deciding your morals all in the one package. It is appealling. I suppose the same could be said for science.

Or for being a yam. :agree:

[Curmudgeon]

We have had a few round here recently, most of them are fine when I say I am not interested but one guy started reading scriptures to me and asking my opinion on them - I had to be quite blunt with him in the end, I felt really bad :boo hoo:

And therein lies the problem. You shouldn't be put in a position where you have to be blunt with them. I have no problem with people following any form of belief that they want to, all I ask is that they don't try and impose those beliefs on me by coming to my door and preaching at me. I'm perfectly capable of making up my own mind about what beliefs I will hold.

[alex plode]

Sounds like one of Vlad's promises, are you a believer AP?

I blindly follow the faith that the Church of Vlad will provide all the answers I'm looking for ...:wink:
:kbacker:

[alex plode]

Actually, Al, now I come to think of it its a valid point.

This is how some people decide to settle the questions they have about life. If that works for them, then that's just dandy.

You can put your trust in a higher power, circumvent a lot of the awkward questions and have a format for deciding your morals all in the one package. It is appealling. I suppose the same could be said for science.

Unfortunately, I can't take credit for the point. It was someone like Richard Dawkins who pointed out the "need" for religion and the easy route it provides in answering all life's difficult questions.

Often used to great benevolent effect but sadly, too readily applied to justify evil deeds - or sometimes just plain stupidity - like the Jehovas Witnesses who stock their bunkers up with tinned food, take out huge loans and sometimes leave their jobs, on the basis of a predicted armageddon. !

[krobertson12]

before anyone thinks im taking offence, im not. i understand peoples views on religion and "god". i believe in a higher power (god), but i do not believe in all the bible says. i know its man made and tailored for fit, but i do believe that there is something above that started things off. one day i may well be proved wrong by science, and the beginning will all be revealed (and god didnt put this that and the next thing on earth), but there has to be a start.

the bible (and religion) does provide a path to live a life that is "pure", and atleast challanges you to be the best you can be... thats my take on it anyway :agree:

[Darth Hibbie]

They came to my door once. I was wearing an Iron Maiden T-Shirt at the time. They said nothing to me turned and walked away. They have been in the street a couple of times since then but never chap my door. Think I must have been black listed. :wink:

Must admit I do not understand the whole religion thing. Even when you look at Islam and christianity A lot of it is similar and refers to the same people yet two totally different interpretations of the same "story"

When yopu think about it in 4000 years time Frodo Baggins could be considered the new jesus because nobody knows what is story and what is fact.

Will stick to hibs as my religion me thinks

[sleeping giant]

Fair enough - but what about the cases in which JW parents have chosen to sit back and watch their children die for want of a blood transfusion, or a husband watching his wife die in childbirth for the same reason?
What if they are right ?

[sleeping giant]

before anyone thinks im taking offence, im not. i understand peoples views on religion and "god". i believe in a higher power (god), but i do not believe in all the bible says. i know its man made and tailored for fit, but i do believe that there is something above that started things off. one day i may well be proved wrong by science, and the beginning will all be revealed (and god didnt put this that and the next thing on earth), but there has to be a start.

the bible (and religion) does provide a path to live a life that is "pure", and atleast challanges you to be the best you can be... thats my take on it anyway :agree:

Amen brother :agree:

Evolution is a religion ,like it or not.

I'm away to dig out my kent Hovind stuff :greengrin

[Darth Hibbie]

What if they are right ?


Peronally i think I would take the chance of rotting in hell for eternity to save my daughter.

I would probably even enjoy it :devil:

[sleeping giant]

We have had a few round here recently, most of them are fine when I say I am not interested but one guy started reading scriptures to me and asking my opinion on them - I had to be quite blunt with him in the end, I felt really bad :boo hoo:

Had a family at my door. The laddie was about 10 and started preaching stuff as soon as i opened the door.

I declined their offer :agree:

Doesnt mean they are wrong though. Who knows? We believe the information we are fed.


The raptures are coming :agree:
Global financial melt down is on its way. Out of the chaos a leader will emerge . He will speak to every person at the same time. We will all follow him with a smile on our faces.
He is Maitreya (http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/images/maitreya.gif)

Watch out for him :agree:

[sleeping giant]

Peronally i think I would take the chance of rotting in hell for eternity to save my daughter.

I would probably even enjoy it :devil:
If they are right , your daughter would be there with you.

Also , eternity is quite a wee while:agree:

[lyonhibs]

I still can't get my head around the fact that in 2008 people still need to believe in the supernatural to fill some spiritual gap in their personality.

Can't we just try and be the best we can to ourselves and others without having to follow some rule book.

Sorry if this offends some folks, but I just don't get it :dunno:

:agree: Couldn't have put it better myself.

Replace all religious doctrines and decrees (which are generally riddled with hypocrices and/or loopholes to be exploited by extremeists) with the above statement in the consciousness of all peoples (regardless of race, religion, birthplace etc etc) and the world would be a infintely better place.

Simplistic? Yes.

But wouldn't the world be a entirely better place if we could simplify things just a little bit.

As with Hiberlin, I mean to offend no-one.

GGTTH

[Darth Hibbie]

If they are right , your daughter would be there with you.

Also , eternity is quite a wee while:agree:


See and that is where I get lost. How can an innocent child be punished for my decision :confused: It just makes no sense to me.

How people in this day and age still believe that god created the world and the adam and eve stuff is a mystery. Evolution is a fact and i think There might have been big monster things running about in the world before us but religion forgets about that because it don't fit in with what suits them :bitchy:.

Getting a sore head just thinking about it. might have to goto bed.

[sleeping giant]

See and that is where I get lost. How can an innocent child be punished for my decision :confused: It just makes no sense to me.

I agree. I have never got the fact that people ,who had not been informed that there was a god, would go to hell.



How people in this day and age still believe that god created the world and the adam and eve stuff is a mystery.

They would say that they "know". How do you know they are wrong ?



Evolution is a fact and i think There might have been big monster things running about in the world before us but religion forgets about that because it don't fit in with what suits them :bitchy:.

Prove evolution to me !



Getting a sore head just thinking about it. might have to goto bed.

Me anaw :greengrin

I'n not a believer bt the way , at least i dont think i am :greengrin

[Darth Hibbie]

http://www.onelife.com/evolve/manev.html

Think this kinda proves evolution but could not be bothered reading it all.

I aint claiming to be right (much) I just dont get it. If there are all these people in the world that have this spiritual hole they should let hibs fill it. Perhaps that is why I am so content :greengrin :duck:

[SuzySubaru]

What if they are right ?


Well, as an atheist, I'm willing to take that chance. As someone else has said, I'd be willing to risk eternal damnation if my children's lives were at stake.

[steakbake]

Personally, I believe that human beings were altered by the intervention of an alien civilization around 100,000 years ago who genetically modified existing humanoids.

Seems to be as plausable as us being invented by the invisible god and us all being related to Adam and Eve who got booted from paradise because of a talking snake.

Seems equally as plausable as being told that my great grandfather (to the power of 20) was an amoeba in the primordial soup.

[LiverpoolHibs]

Personally, I believe that human beings were altered by the intervention of an alien civilization around 100,000 years ago who genetically modified existing humanoids.

Seems to be as plausable as us being invented by the invisible god and us all being related to Adam and Eve who got booted from paradise because of a talking snake.

Seems equally as plausable as being told that my great grandfather (to the power of 20) was an amoeba in the primordial soup.

Except that there is verifiable evidence for evolution whereas there is none whatsoever for either of the 'theories' above it.

[Darth Hibbie]

Except that there is verifiable evidence for evolution whereas there is none whatsoever for either of the 'theories' above it.


Although I quite like the alien theory:greengrin

[ArabHibee]

Wish they'd come round my door - I never get any visitors! :boo hoo: