Nursery liability question

[LustForLeith]

Can't really go into too much details (the reason will become apaprent) but thought I'd run this past folk for advice.

My little boy turned two and as a result got promoted in his nursery to the big nursery. Last tuesday, his first day there, he fell off a shute unsupervised. Apparently this shute is quite high off the ground. He landed ackwardly on his head and arm and when my partner went to pick him up they advised her to take him to the Sick Kids becasue he kept holding his arm when he was crying. Which she did.

They gave him the once over but he'd stopped crying and was in a good mood. They said keep an eye on him and if he still showed pain we should take him back.

No been himself so took him back today and they xrayed his arm. He's got a crack in his arm and as a result he's in plaster for two weeks.

My question is does his nursery have some sort of liablity as they should have been looking after him, espeically on his first day there? It happeend at 3.20 as well and my girlfriend went to pick him up at 4.30. Should they not have maybe phoned and advised that they were going to take him to the hopsital jsut to make sure he was okay?

Quite angry about the whole thing and feel like reporting them. People pay good money so there kids are looked after, not for them to climb up shutes that are quite high off the ground with no adult supervision?

Any thoughts?

(also, as a side thought I think the hospital were a bit shepish that a kid falls from some height, partly lands on his arm and they didn't x-ray him at first. Saying that, the guy who plastered his arm today was a top bloke and went a wee bit to redeeming my faith in the NHS!)

[Darth Hibbie]

Have a wee one in nursery too. I would suggest that they should be supervised at all times and if it was that bad you or OH should have been contacted. We certainly pay a lot of money for our nursery and would expect them to provide a proper service.

Plus his arm should have been x-rayed that day just shocking that it wasn't.

I blame Petrie :wink:

[LustForLeith]

Have a wee one in nursery too. I would suggest that they should be supervised at all times and if it was that bad you or OH should have been contacted. We certainly pay a lot of money for our nursery and would expect them to provide a proper service.

Plus his arm should have been x-rayed that day just shocking that it wasn't.

I blame Petrie :wink:

Apparenly they were all too bust posting on here about Deeks signing!

[Jay]

When it comes down to it accidents happen and even when closely supervised kids can hurt themselves. The equipment in the room your son is in should be suitable for his age and should be safe if he falls. If you think thats not the case you should ask the appropriate questions.

They should have filled in an incident form which your partner should have read and signed, if this wasn't done I would query this too. In my opinion you and/or your partner should have been contacted immediately they thought it was more serious than a little knock. If they advised a trip to the hospital they obviously had concerns.

If you are wary of approaching them contact the care commission with your concerns, they are the people who inspect all childcare providers. They have a website with all of their details, www.carecommission.com

I am a registered childminder and have to follow the same strict guidlines as nurseries.

I recently took one of my minded kids (age 4) to a soft play centre where he tripped and knocked his front teeth out!! Believe me its a terrible terrible feeling when they are not your kids. Thankfully his mum was fine about it.

[alex plode]

Children have accidents.sometimes it's nobody's fault.

[s.a.m]

Children have accidents.sometimes it's nobody's fault.

You're right of course. However, leaving aside whether or not this wee one should have been better supervised, parents are entitled to expect that when something does go wrong, staff take appropriate action.

[LustForLeith]

Children have accidents.sometimes it's nobody's fault.

Completely agree. They can have accidents but less likley when climbing a shute thats two meters in heaight and theres no one near to make sure there okay!

[Jack]

When my kids were younger they were always getting this ‘crack’ in their arm when falling off stuff, apparently it’s a very common injury and when its happened to mine was never considered anywhere near serious – its one of these things that in some health board areas they wont even put a plaster on and in others, like NHS Lothian, they will.

PS I would have thought the bump on the head would / could have been the thing to watch.

Anyway so long as your kid is OK now.

[alex plode]

Completely agree. They can have accidents but less likley when climbing a shute thats two meters in heaight and theres no one near to make sure there okay!

There shouldn't be 2m high chutes in nurseries where 2 yr. olds have access - sounds like you have a good cause for complaint.

[LustForLeith]

When my kids were younger they were always getting this ‘crack’ in their arm when falling off stuff, apparently it’s a very common injury and when its happened to mine was never considered anywhere near serious – its one of these things that in some health board areas they wont even put a plaster on and in others, like NHS Lothian, they will.

PS I would have thought the bump on the head would / could have been the thing to watch.

Anyway so long as your kid is OK now.


Another thing! The doctor yesterday went on about a thing where kids can get a problem with bones slighlty coming out of elbows ie if your pulling them across the road sharply. After examing my boy and a five minute guide to it, the doctor said 'thats what I thought, with the type of fall he's had he doesn't have it!'

[Jay]

Another thing! The doctor yesterday went on about a thing where kids can get a problem with bones slighlty coming out of elbows ie if your pulling them across the road sharply. After examing my boy and a five minute guide to it, the doctor said 'thats what I thought, with the type of fall he's had he doesn't have it!'

Elbows are beggers! The same boy who lost his teeth has a 'poppy' elbow. Thankfully the first time it happened it was his dad who was looking after him :greengrin He was just sitting down on my trampoline one day and put his arm down to support himself and his elbow popped.

Greenstick fractures are very common in kids, this summer my 12 year old had one and a huge bend in his bone after an 'amazing' save apparently, the ball hit his hand so hard it cracked the bone and bent it.

[LustForLeith]

Elbows are beggers! The same boy who lost his teeth has a 'poppy' elbow. Thankfully the first time it happened it was his dad who was looking after him :greengrin He was just sitting down on my trampoline one day and put his arm down to support himself and his elbow popped.

Greenstick fractures are very common in kids, this summer my 12 year old had one and a huge bend in his bone after an 'amazing' save apparently, the ball hit his hand so hard it cracked the bone and bent it.

Heard this term over the last weeks loads. Never know what it was until now - everydays a learning day!

Kids!

[Jay]

Heard this term over the last weeks loads. Never know what it was until now - everydays a learning day!

Kids!

Its called that because if you bend a green stick from a tree it wont totally snap, it cracks from one side. Or so I was told.

[Delboy4]

Completely agree. They can have accidents but less likley when climbing a shute thats two meters in heaight and theres no one near to make sure there okay!

If the shute is 2 meters in height the nursery SHOULD have a 2mtr Critical Fall Height (E.G. if inside - A spongey flooring or outside - something like a synthetic grasss with a special underlay that gives the fall height) so the children don't hurt themselves or at least break their fall. If they don't have either you will be able to ask for their Insurance details. I have been around a lot of Nurseries lately due to work and I haven't seen any in force, in fact I think some nurseries could be closed down due to Health & Safety. Hope this helps.
And if Hibs don't buy Deeks tonight, I would blame Petrie for your sons arm.:greengrin

[Jay]

If the shute is 2 meters in height the nursery SHOULD have a 2mtr Critical Fall Height (E.G. if inside - A spongey flooring or outside - something like a synthetic grasss with a special underlay that gives the fall height) so the children don't hurt themselves or at least break their fall. If they don't have either you will be able to ask for their Insurance details. I have been around a lot of Nurseries lately due to work and I haven't seen any in force, in fact I think some nurseries could be closed down due to Health & Safety. Hope this helps.
And if Hibs don't buy Deeks tonight, I would blame Petrie for your sons arm.:greengrin


I totally agree then us childminders would get some work again! :greengrin Maybe not the best thread to advertise my availability considering I have confessed to a child losing his teeth and popping an elbow whilst in my care :greengrin

[Tomsk]

My daughter's nursery class was taken on a trip to Vogrie Park. At the end of the day the nursery folk (don't know the technical name, but there's bound to be one) got on the bus and left one of the bairns behind! They then tried to get away with it by not informing the parents. Straight up! It was only when the wee laddie started talking about the nice man taking him to hut in the woods that the cat got out of the bag. Heads rolled, but the nursery's procedures were dire.

[s.a.m]

My daughter's nursery class was taken on a trip to Vogrie Park. At the end of the day the nursery folk (don't know the technical name, but there's bound to be one) got on the bus and left one of the bairns behind! They then tried to get away with it by not informing the parents. Straight up! It was only when the wee laddie started talking about the nice man taking him to hut in the woods that the cat got out of the bag. Heads rolled, but the nursery's procedures were dire.


Was that about 10 years ago? I remember a similar incident involving a Nursery from a local chain.

And the reason I remember it is that a particularly snotty woman I knew from ante-natal classes had been telling a group of us that she had got a place for her daughter in this nursery that I probably shouldn't name. She said that it was clearly superior to other nursery groups, with a better class of child, staff, premises and she was NOT prepared to accept anything less:blah::blah:. News broke the same day. Same nursery. How we bitched.:greengrin

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[quote=Hiberni-mum;1740669]mmThey should have filled in an incident form which your partner should have read and signed, if this wasn't done I would query this too. In my opinion you and/or your partner should have been contacted immediately they thought it was more serious than a little knock. If they advised a trip to the hospital they obviously had concerns. [quote]


Yup. We had a kids' outreach in the Church here last week.

Every child attending had to come with a form signed by parent, guardian, or minder, with name, address and telephone number noted so that if anything did happen we could contact the responsible adult immediately.

We don't accept children without these details and a signature - to do so would be illegal - and we certainly wouldn't leave off reporting an accident involving a head-knock for over an hour. And as Jill says, an accident report form should have been filled in and been ready for inspection when LfL's partner arrived to pick the bairn up. The nursery staff were clearly concerned about the wee boy - if they weren't, why did they suggest a visit to the hospital?

Jill's right - accidents happen, but most folks are OK about them as long as proper procedures have been followed. It doesn't sound to me as if that's been the case here. I think there's cause for concern, tbh.

[Tomsk]

Was that about 10 years ago? I remember a similar incident involving a Nursery from a local chain.

And the reason I remember it is that a particularly snotty woman I knew from ante-natal classes had been telling a group of us that she had got a place for her daughter in this nursery that I probably shouldn't name. She said that it was clearly superior to other nursery groups, with a better class of child, staff, premises and she was NOT prepared to accept anything less:blah::blah:. News broke the same day. Same nursery. How we bitched.:greengrin

Yes it was about 10 years ago. In fact, it was my son not my daughter who was at the nursery at the time. The nursery was quite close to the by-pass.

There was no shortage of snooty women there -- and it cost a friggin' fortune!

[Irish_Steve]

All nursery`s cost a friggin fortune, but back to the original question - I would have complained to the care commission immediately

[Tomsk]

All nursery`s cost a friggin fortune, but back to the original question - I would have complained to the care commission immediately

Nah, the school nursery cost zip. :thumbsup: