Barack Obama

[The cooler king]

JFK and Martin Luther King rolled into one?

1m Berliners out in force to witness a foreign policy speech.

Some going, the new icon for the 21st century.

[LiverpoolHibs]

JFK and Martin Luther King rolled into one?

1m Berliners out in force to witness a foreign policy speech.

Some going, the new icon for the 21st century.


Wow, that's depressing...

[hibsdaft]

i had a listen to a few minutes of the speach on bbc website, he takes a lot of words to say not a lot!

his speach-writers seems to work hard at making that whatever he says everyone can take something positive from it and feel part of this hysteria, its like a cult

i've never actually heard him say anything interesting at all.

[Hanny]

i had a listen to a few minutes of the speach on bbc website, he takes a lot of words to say not a lot!

his speach-writers seems to work hard at making that whatever he says everyone can take something positive from it and feel part of this hysteria, its like a cult

i've never actually heard him say anything interesting at all.

His speach at the 2004 DNC is worth a listen.

[GreenandGlaikit]

American presidential candidates: - Robert Burns' "Parcel O' Rogues" should be their description. :agree:

This Barack boy is much the same, unfortunately.

[Pretty Boy]

i had a listen to a few minutes of the speach on bbc website, he takes a lot of words to say not a lot!

his speach-writers seems to work hard at making that whatever he says everyone can take something positive from it and feel part of this hysteria, its like a cult

i've never actually heard him say anything interesting at all.


:agree: A lot of cheap soundbites and so on but not a lot of substance. His speech at the AIPAC was particularly depressing.

I almost get the feeling people are trying to take heart and meaning from his speeches more because of what he would symbolise frather than what he would actually be.

A smart, articulate young man- Yes
A good orator- Yes
A man of particular substance- I don't see it
A great President in the making- Probably not
A typical politician- Most definitely

[Sumner]

used car salesman, spouting soundbites, never gonna be President. word.

[LiverpoolHibs]

:agree: A lot of cheap soundbites and so on but not a lot of substance. His speech at the AIPAC was particularly depressing.

I almost get the feeling people are trying to take heart and meaning from his speeches more because of what he would symbolise frather than what he would actually be.

A smart, articulate young man- Yes
A good orator- Yes
A man of particular substance- I don't see it
A great President in the making- Probably not
A typical politician- Most definitely

Without wishing to veer off-topic, has there ever been one? :duck:

[duncs]

Without wishing to veer off-topic, has there ever been one? :duck:

I'd say Thomas Jefferson was one.

[--------]

Obama doesn't impress me at all. He's JFK, without the substance, IMO.

He may very well win in November - but then look who he's up against.

A hollow man - all presentation, nothing behind it.

:chop:

[Future17]

i had a listen to a few minutes of the speach on bbc website, he takes a lot of words to say not a lot!

his speach-writers seems to work hard at making that whatever he says everyone can take something positive from it and feel part of this hysteria, its like a cult

i've never actually heard him say anything interesting at all.

That's the US Presidential race in a nutshell, no matter who the candidates are - especially when the speeches are made overseas.

The only time that you might here something in the slightest bit controversial or worth listening to is if one candidate is trailing close to voting time and needs to galvanise support.


used car salesman, spouting soundbites, never gonna be President. word.

I wouldn't be too sure. What's your opinion of McCain?

[hibsdaft]

aye i'm starting to think he's going to win it myself, the media go weak at the knees at the sight of him and i think he's going to deflect most of the attacks on him

plus mccain is going to miss out on the religious vote apparently which is a big part of the republican coalition.

[LiverpoolHibs]

I'd say Thomas Jefferson was one.

One of the better one's despite his racism and influence on the ideology of 'manifest destiny'. Ha, that's saying something. :greengrin

[RyeSloan]

Is it just me that thinks having an ameican presidential candidate that DOESN'T look like an american presidential candidate is actually a good thing??

[LiverpoolHibs]

Is it just me that thinks having an ameican presidential candidate that DOESN'T look like an american presidential candidate is actually a good thing??

Not unless he also doesn't act like an American Presidential candidate...

[Zimmy]

Obama doesn't impress me at all. He's JFK, without the substance, IMO.

He may very well win in November - but then look who he's up against.

A hollow man - all presentation, nothing behind it.

:chop:


Or JFK without Miss Monroe, still he's got a decent taste in music. :greengrin

[LiverpoolHibs]

Or JFK without Miss Monroe, still he's got a decent taste in music. :greengrin

That he does. Stevie Wonder, Dylan, Springsteen, Howlin Wolf...

:greengrin

[lucky]

I think he is probably the most significant candidate since JFK. I am very much impressed by him. Lets hope he is going to soften the US foreign policy and work with all nations to develop the world economy and strive forward for peace. I'm going over to Boston in the final week of the campaign to observe the Democratic campaigning there with the TUC

[RyeSloan]

I think he is probably the most significant candidate since JFK. I am very much impressed by him. Lets hope he is going to soften the US foreign policy and work with all nations to develop the world economy and strive forward for peace. I'm going over to Boston in the final week of the campaign to observe the Democratic campaigning there with the TUC

Be sure to check out their canvassing techniques :wink:

He does seem to be some sort of symbol of hope for a somewhat undefined better world and the contrast of him against Bush and McCain could not be stronger.....considering the whole world and even some of America is craving a drastic change of direction from America then this is probably one of the reasons he seems to be turning into some sort of 'JFK' figure.

[lucky]

Be sure to check out their canvassing techniques :wink:

He does seem to be some sort of symbol of hope for a somewhat undefined better world and the contrast of him against Bush and McCain could not be stronger.....considering the whole world and even some of America is craving a drastic change of direction from America then this is probably one of the reasons he seems to be turning into some sort of 'JFK' figure.

:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

JFK and Martin Luther King rolled into one?

1m Berliners out in force to witness a foreign policy speech.

Some going, the new icon for the 21st century.

Stop reading the hype.... it was "only" 200k. :wink: I know, I was there and trying my best to avoid the mayhem.

[LiverpoolHibs]

I find it slightly odd that everyone is getting excited about, and regarding as revolutionary, a man who is probably to the right of David Cameron.

Only in America...

[Sumner]

used car salesman, spouting soundbites, never gonna be President. word.



I wouldn't be too sure. What's your opinion of McCain?

... I like all of his chips :agree:

[Hibrandenburg]

Stop reading the hype.... it was "only" 200k. :wink: I know, I was there and trying my best to avoid the mayhem.

What, and you didn't pop by for a pint?

Obama will never be able to deliver all the promises he's making. He knows what he wants but has he the ways and means to deliver. I doubt it. All pie in the sky.

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Be sure to check out their canvassing techniques :wink:

He does seem to be some sort of symbol of hope for a somewhat undefined better world and the contrast of him against Bush and McCain could not be stronger.....considering the whole world and even some of America is craving a drastic change of direction from America then this is probably one of the reasons he seems to be turning into some sort of 'JFK' figure.


:bitchy: Obama, like JFK and every other US presidential candidate, is, and will remain, totally dependent on his business backers.

And it might be advisable if you were to take stock of exactly who some of JFK's backers actually were.

And the deal Papa Joe made to secure the Illinois vote ... :cool2:

[lucky]

Politics in the US are very different to here in the UK. Obama offers more hope to world peace and the Democratic party (just now) is about center left you are ever gong to get in the US. so that is the reason people in the US and the rest of world are hoping he wins the Presidential race

[--------]

Politics in the US are very different to here in the UK. Obama offers more hope to world peace and the Democratic party (just now) is about center left you are ever gong to get in the US. so that is the reason people in the US and the rest of world are hoping he wins the Presidential race


The Democrats can only be considered 'centre-left' if your political spectrum includes every nasty South American and South-East Asian dictator enjoying power as the gift of the US State Department.

Obama will be like JFK - he'll promise lots in order to get elected. And once he is, he'll do what he's told.

He's a rookie, and the White House lobbyists and advisers will eat him alive.

[Riz]

JFK and Martin Luther King rolled into one?

1m Berliners out in force to witness a foreign policy speech.

Some going, the new icon for the 21st century.

He is an Uncle Tom, he is a Zionist, he is related to Bush and HE IS A ****BAG, to put his name in the same sentance as JFK or Martin Luther King Jnr is a disgrace let alone comparing them! :brickwall

[LiverpoolHibs]

He is an Uncle Tom, he is a Zionist, he is related to Bush and HE IS A ****BAG, to put his name in the same sentance as JFK or Martin Luther King Jnr is a disgrace let alone comparing them! :brickwall

Well, I don't think Obama has done anything as bad as getting America inextricably embroiled in Vietnam.

[Riz]

Well, I don't think Obama has done anything as bad as getting America inextricably embroiled in Vietnam.

He got down on his kneas to Opec and pledged support to Israel ... its only a matter of time my friend.

[LiverpoolHibs]

He got down on his kneas to Opec and pledged support to Israel ... its only a matter of time my friend.

Ha, I don't think it would go down well back home if he got on his knees to OPEC. :greengrin

D'you mean AIPAC?

[keyser Soze]

Well, I don't think Obama has done anything as bad as getting America inextricably embroiled in Vietnam.

Or tried to invade Cuba.

[Riz]

Ha, I don't think it would go down well back home if he got on his knees to OPEC. :greengrin

D'you mean AIPAC?

lol, thats the very fellas, lol, I was woundering of the spelling compred to the pronounciation, you learn something everyday :agree: thanks

[LiverpoolHibs]

Or tried to invade Cuba.

Quite, or been complicit in the murder of thousands of Iraqi communists and intellectuals.

Though that one should be given time....

[Riz]

Quite, or been complicit in the murder of thousands of Iraqi communists and intellectuals.

Though that one should be given time....


:agree:

[Hibrandenburg]

Does Col Saunders and his wee beady eyes play a major role in this secret organisation that pull the strings behind the scenes? :rolleyes:

[duncs]

Does Col Saunders and his wee beady eyes play a major role in this secret organisation that pull the strings behind the scenes? :rolleyes:

It's that additive in his chicken that makes you crave it fortnightly...

[Hibrandenburg]

It's that additive in his chicken that makes you crave it fortnightly...

:agree:

[Riz]

there are no real secret societies anymore, they are admitted, documented and covered, so your arguement sounds more like an anti Tonken incident sceptic of the 60's

[Hibrandenburg]

there are no real secret societies anymore, they are admitted, documented and covered, so your arguement sounds more like an anti Tonken incident sceptic of the 60's

How do you know if they're really secret? :confused:

[Riz]

How do you know if they're really secret? :confused:

Because they are not secret anymore, they are expossed hence its not a secret. Dont tell me Skull and Bones doesnt exist now?

[lyonhibs]

When push comes to shove, are the American populus as a whole going to vote for a white, decorated Vietnam war veteran, with however many years of political experience, or a mixed race near-totally inexperienced politician with zilch foreign experience??

I fear to say that I'd not bet against a nation where something daft like 90% of people don't own a passport (that may be total hogwash) not voting for a change, however much they need it - the paranoid christian right and general "Bible Belt" mentality hold too much sway sadly IMO.

[JimBHibees]

When push comes to shove, are the American populus as a whole going to vote for a white, decorated Vietnam war veteran, with however many years of political experience, or a mixed race near-totally inexperienced politician with zilch foreign experience??

I fear to say that I'd not bet against a nation where something daft like 90% of people don't own a passport (that may be total hogwash) not voting for a change, however much they need it - the paranoid christian right and general "Bible Belt" mentality hold too much sway sadly IMO.

That would be my view the US is in general a pretty racist country and think McCain will get in due to this and the reasons you outline above. Whether Obama turns out to be a very poor president I think the precedent of a non-white President would be a very powerful message to send.

[Future17]

Whether Obama turns out to be a very poor president I think the precedent of a non-white President would be a very powerful message to send.

Say that fast 100 times! :greengrin

[LiverpoolHibs]

Say that fast 100 times! :greengrin

:tee hee:

[JimBHibees]

Say that fast 100 times! :greengrin

Easy:wink:

[LiverpoolHibs]

John Pilger on Barack Obama...

http://http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=497

The scandal of this would be headline news, were it not for what George W Bush’s former spokesman Scott McClellan has called "complicit enablers" – journalists who serve as little more than official amplifiers. Having declared Afghanistan a "good war", the complicit enablers are now anointing Barack Obama as he tours the bloodfests in Afghanistan and Iraq. What they never say is that Obama is a bomber.

In the New York Times on 14 July, in an article spun to appear as if he is ending the war in Iraq, Obama demanded more war in Afghanistan and, in effect, an invasion of Pakistan. He wants more combat troops, more helicopters, more bombs. Bush may be on his way out, but the Republicans have built an ideological machine that transcends the loss of electoral power – because their collaborators are, as the American writer Mike Whitney put it succinctly, "bait-and-switch" Democrats, of whom Obama is the prince.

Those who write of Obama that "when it comes to international affairs, he will be a huge improvement on Bush" demonstrate the same wilful naivety that backed the bait-and-switch of Bill Clinton – and Tony Blair. Of Blair, wrote the late Hugo Young in 1997, "ideology has surrendered entirely to ‘values’... there are no sacred cows [and] no fossilised limits to the ground over which the mind might range in search of a better Britain...".

Eleven years and five wars later, at least a million people lie dead. Barack Obama is the American Blair. That he is a smooth operator and a black man is irrelevant. He is of an enduring, rampant system whose drum majors and cheer squads never see, or want to see, the consequences of 500lb bombs dropped unerringly on mud, stone and straw houses.

[Riz]

so you are aware of Pilger then eh? :wink: why believe him here or at least respect his views here and not elsewhere? :devil:

[LiverpoolHibs]

so you are aware of Pilger then eh? :wink: why believe him here or at least respect his views here and not elsewhere? :devil:

Of course I am aware of him. I haven't, however, ever come across him as a 'conspiracy theorist' (or whatever term would lack the pejorative nature of 'conspiracy theorist') - feel free to link me to such comments. His comments from the introduction to New Rulers Of The World would seem to suggest he didn't/doesn't see September 11th as an 'inside job'...

"The truth about September 11 is that the killing of thousands of innocent people is not justified in America, or anywhere else." (p.7)

"The terrorists of Osama Bin Laden and George W Bush are sustained by this ancient lie..." (p.7)

"The pursuit of the criminals of September 11 is not enough. 'Terrorism' demands endless war." (p.10)

[And quoting Robin Theurkauf] "'Terrorist impulses ferment in poverty, oppression and ignorance. The elimination of these conditions and the active promotion of a universal respect for human rights must become a priority.'" (p.14)


Even if he does why should I not be able to think he is correct in one instance and not in another. Commentators, journalists politicians et. al. do not get my unswerving loyalty simply because I agree with alot of what they say.