John Leslie

[H18sry]

According to BBC news John Leslie has been arrested for Rape with the offence taking place in 1995

http://www.bbc.co.uk

[steakbake]

you have to feel bad for his family and for his alleged victim.

the situations people get themselves into. very sad.

[Pretty Boy]

Obviously wait and see how it pans out and i hate to use the 'no smoke without fire' cliche. Doesn't look good though.

[Rep of Ireland Hibee]

you have to feel bad for his family and for his alleged victim.




And for him. I'm really against people being named for these crimes until they've been proven guilty


Story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7470653.stm

[greenlex]

And for him. I'm really against people being named for these crimes until they've been proven guilty


Story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7470653.stm

:agree: 100%. The phrase if you throw enough muck some of it will stick.

If there were a trial how could it be fair?

[steakbake]

And for him. I'm really against people being named for these crimes until they've been proven guilty


Story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7470653.stm

Quite so. I feel bad for not including that, but yes, I would agree with that.

[GreenandGlaikit]

In The Polis Station


Me : "Sargent, Sargent some dirty bassa stole ma car !!! :boo hoo:

Sargent: "When did ths happen, Sir?"

Me: "In 1995" :boo hoo:

Sargent: :dizzy:



Might be missing something here. :dunno: Why the Hell does it take 13 years tae report an alleged crime?

[JimBHibees]

And for him. I'm really against people being named for these crimes until they've been proven guilty


Story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7470653.stm

Totally agree.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I think it is wrong that alleged rapists can be named as well.

Innocent till proved guilty.

[Sergio sledge]

I think it is wrong that alleged rapists can be named as well.

Innocent till proved guilty.

:agree: John Leslie's career was ruined by the previous unproven allegations, which IIRC all came out after Ulrikakakaka's book, and some talk show host "accidentally" naming Leslie as the alleged rapist mentioned in her book. I wonder why Ulrika herself has never brought charges against him despite writing about it in her book?

If John Leslie is guilty them he deserves everything he gets, but he shouldn't have been named unless he is found guilty.

[Phil D. Rolls]

:agree: John Leslie's career was ruined by the previous unproven allegations, which IIRC all came out after Ulrikakakaka's book, and some talk show host "accidentally" naming Leslie as the alleged rapist mentioned in her book. I wonder why Ulrika herself has never brought charges against him despite writing about it in her book?

If John Leslie is guilty them he deserves everything he gets, but he shouldn't have been named until he was found guilty.

Lots of people, who aren't celebrities have to deal with the same sort of thing. I know that Scotland has a pathetic rate of rape conviction, but it can't be right for innocent people to have their name ruined on the back of some girl's guilt trip, or need for revenge either.

I say keep all names secret until the trial is over.

[ArabHibee]

In The Polis Station


Me : "Sargent, Sargent some dirty bassa stole ma car !!! :boo hoo:

Sargent: "When did ths happen, Sir?"

Me: "In 1995" :boo hoo:

Sargent: :dizzy:



Might be missing something here. :dunno: Why the Hell does it take 13 years tae report an alleged crime?
I agree. Why take so long? Is there not a time-bar on these kind of things? I understand if it's a child involved etc - not being able to tell anyone for years and years but if it's an adult who is mentally stable - again, why so long? Something to do with him being a public figure? Just a suggestion.

[alex plode]

How can he be arrested with no evidence ?:dunno:

[steakbake]

Lots of people, who aren't celebrities have to deal with the same sort of thing. I know that Scotland has a pathetic rate of rape conviction, but it can't be right for innocent people to have their name ruined on the back of some girl's guilt trip, or need for revenge either.

I say keep all names secret until the trial is over.

I'd agree with that. People on both sides of the law - accused and victim - should be given protection from the scrutiny of the tabloids and wider public until the case has gone through due process.

There is a horrendous culture of trial by media in this country. I would also extend that to rule by editorials, but that's a different matter entirely.

See how it pans out.

[steakbake]

How can he be arrested with no evidence ?:dunno:

If he's a suspected terrorist, he could be!

[JimBHibees]

How can he be arrested with no evidence ?:dunno:

Would imagine to answer the allegations. Cant imagine there would be much evidence given the time lapse.

[PC Stamp]

In The Polis Station


Me : "Sargent, Sargent some dirty bassa stole ma car !!! :boo hoo:

Sargent: "When did ths happen, Sir?"

Me: "In 1995" :boo hoo:

Sargent: :dizzy:



Might be missing something here. :dunno: Why the Hell does it take 13 years tae report an alleged crime?

And what credible evidence is likely to exist after 13 years to prove that this ever happened?

[JimBHibees]

And what credible evidence is likely to exist after 13 years to prove that this ever happened?

Maybe someone has encouraged the alleged victim to come forward after having kept it to themselves for years similar to child abuse cases some of which have resulted in convictions years after they have happened.

[MSK]

And what credible evidence is likely to exist after 13 years to prove that this ever happened?DNA ..video evidence ..."new" witnesses coming forward...:confused:....i would assume they must have something "concrete", he has been charged as opposed to questioned ...

Agree though..13 years ago !!! ...:confused:

[JimBHibees]

DNA ..video evidence ..."new" witnesses coming forward...:confused:....i would assume they must have something "concrete", he has been charged as opposed to questioned ...

Agree though..13 years ago !!! ...:confused:

Thought he had just being questioned and released on bail rather than charged

[stu in nottingham]

Thought he had just being questioned and released on bail rather than charged

According to Sky and BBC he was arrested, qestioned and bailed.

[Jay]

DNA ..video evidence ..."new" witnesses coming forward...:confused:....i would assume they must have something "concrete", he has been charged as opposed to questioned ...

Agree though..13 years ago !!! ...:confused:

I agree. It says that the investigation has been going on for a while but just came to light now. They must have something worth looking into.

I also agree that he should not have been named, as someone else said mud sticks and he is unlikely to get an unbiased hearing whether he is guilty or not.

13 years!! Its a long time to carry this especially with him having such a public 'trial' the last time, would that not have been the time to speak up? I wonder whats prompted it now?

[PC Stamp]

Maybe someone has encouraged the alleged victim to come forward after having kept it to themselves for years similar to child abuse cases some of which have resulted in convictions years after they have happened.


DNA ..video evidence ..."new" witnesses coming forward...:confused:....i would assume they must have something "concrete", he has been charged as opposed to questioned ...

Agree though..13 years ago !!! ...:confused:

There could be a myriad of reasons for it but ....

Child abuse cases coming to light years after the event I can understand. Children are perhaps more naturally frightened of adults and less likely to speak up. Many in fact have said that they were told not to tell their parents or whatever. It's only when they grow up themselves that they feel able to speak about it.

An alleged rape case however being kept quiet for 13 years I have some difficulty understanding. Perhaps the fact that Leslie was a celebrity, the alleged victim didn't want the media circus that would inevitably go with it at the time. That said, nothing will be different now.

It's a strange one.

[MSK]

Thought he had just being questioned and released on bail rather than chargedApologies...Jim...*correction*..he has not been charged, my mistake ... :agree:

[JimBHibees]

There could be a myriad of reasons for it but ....

Child abuse cases coming to light years after the event I can understand. Children are perhaps more naturally frightened of adults and less likely to speak up. Many in fact have said that they were told not to tell their parents or whatever. It's only when they grow up themselves that they feel able to speak about it.

An alleged rape case however being kept quiet for 13 years I have some difficulty understanding. Perhaps the fact that Leslie was a celebrity, the alleged victim didn't want the media circus that would inevitably go with it at the time. That said, nothing will be different now.

It's a strange one.

Tend to agree however wouldnt understimate the effect this sort of thing may have on someone.

[JimBHibees]

Apologies...Jim...*correction*..he has not been charged, my mistake ... :agree:

No probs :wink:

[eezyrider]

Apologies...Jim...*correction*..he has not been charged, my mistake ... :agree:


How can he have been bailed if he's not been charged? Always thought that if they choose not to charge you, and do not want to hold you any longer, then you're free to go.

Happy to be corrected of course.

EZ

[hibee_girl]

He's now made a statement - http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1319944,00.html

[JimBHibees]

How can he have been bailed if he's not been charged? Always thought that if they choose not to charge you, and do not want to hold you any longer, then you're free to go.

Happy to be corrected of course.

EZ

Basically would think that they can bail him to appear again if they need to so he doesnt leave the country or something.

[Chuckie]

:agree: 100%. The phrase if you throw enough muck some of it will stick.

If there were a trial how could it be fair?


How about the phrase there's no smoke without fire ?

[slopey]

This is ridiculous, the guy is getting stitched up surely? 13 years seems a long time to come forward? although i don't know anything about how it feels to be raped i think i might mention it sooner than this.

backtracking a bit if he is guilty then get the **** behind bars. theres been too many allegations against him for him not be some kind of sex pest??

[woodythehibee]

This is ridiculous, the guy is getting stitched up surely? 13 years seems a long time to come forward? although i don't know anything about how it feels to be raped i think i might mention it sooner than this.

backtracking a bit if he is guilty then get the **** behind bars. theres been too many allegations against him for him not be some kind of sex pest??

innocent until proven guilty?

when it happens to people who are in the public eye, there always seems to be a "jump on the bandwagon" approach. Now, i'm not saying this is the case here, but while we're all jumping to conclusions, this could possily be one.

we'll find out soon enough i'm sure :agree:

[slopey]

innocent until proven guilty?

when it happens to people who are in the public eye, there always seems to be a "jump on the bandwagon" approach. Now, i'm not saying this is the case here, but while we're all jumping to conclusions, this could possily be one.

we'll find out soon enough i'm sure :agree:


Yeah i agree, think i just put my point across in the wrong order!

the fact is that he has been found guilty of nothing so far, apart from being really rubbish at presenting wheel of fortune:greengrin

[--------]

There could be a myriad of reasons for it but ....

Child abuse cases coming to light years after the event I can understand. Children are perhaps more naturally frightened of adults and less likely to speak up. Many in fact have said that they were told not to tell their parents or whatever. It's only when they grow up themselves that they feel able to speak about it.

An alleged rape case however being kept quiet for 13 years I have some difficulty understanding. Perhaps the fact that Leslie was a celebrity, the alleged victim didn't want the media circus that would inevitably go with it at the time. That said, nothing will be different now.

It's a strange one.


:agree: It's hard to see where evidence beyond reasonable doubt can come from now.