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Betty Boop
20-06-2008, 09:33 PM
Did anybody see the tickertape on Sky News (which has now been removed) about an imminent attack on Iran? :bitchy:

LiverpoolHibs
20-06-2008, 09:41 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7465170.stm

Linked to that I'm assuming. ********s.

Betty Boop
20-06-2008, 09:46 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7465170.stm

Linked to that I'm assuming. ********s. What a disgrace! Is there not enough crap going on in the Middle East! :grr:

Pete
20-06-2008, 10:42 PM
I'm no great lover of Iran or all the loony lefties who seem to revel in criticising every aspect of western foreign policy.


...but surely now enough is enough.

What's the justification this time?

Tazio
21-06-2008, 06:29 AM
But remember the rules in the Middle East.

Israel can do whatever they want without condemnation.

creebo1875
21-06-2008, 07:48 AM
The End is Nigh!

From a conspiracy theorist point of view, it appears the "leaders of the free world" are trying to create some biblical armageddon. Protect Israel through thick and thin (apparently they wont lose) and cause a major war that will bring Russia and China into play, thus creating the war that invites the 2nd coming of christ.

or maybe not.....who knows

GreenandGlaikit
21-06-2008, 09:27 AM
The End is Nigh!

From a conspiracy theorist point of view, it appears the "leaders of the free world" are trying to create some biblical armageddon. Protect Israel through thick and thin (apparently they wont lose) and cause a major war that will bring Russia and China into play, thus creating the war that invites the 2nd coming of christ.

or maybe not.....who knows


:agree: "The Rapture" , apparently. :rolleyes: Religious nutters !!! :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Gatecrasher
21-06-2008, 02:21 PM
as much as i dont want a war, i dont want iran to have nuclear facilities even more.

Betty Boop
21-06-2008, 02:32 PM
as much as i dont want a war, i dont want iran to have nuclear facilities even more.Why? Israel have them.

Gatecrasher
21-06-2008, 02:36 PM
Why? Israel have them.


because i feel they are more likely to use nuclear bombs, i dont really approve isreal having them either.

LiverpoolHibs
21-06-2008, 03:23 PM
as much as i dont want a war, i dont want iran to have nuclear facilities even more.
In what world are they the only options?

Iran are not even close to having a nuclear bomb (incidentally, guess who started the Iranian nuclear programme. That's right the U.S.). If they do want them, it isn't exactly surprising considering the willingness of Israel, the U.S. and the U.K. to indescriminately invade Middle Eastern nations. It does, however, play straight into the hands of Israel and the U.S. - giving them a raison d'etre for invasion.

The fact that some people seem to think an invasion would be a good idea is genuinely mind-boggling to me. It's the equivalent of throwing petrol onto a fire because, "we have to do something".

Betty Boop
21-06-2008, 03:25 PM
because i feel they are more likely to use nuclear bombs, i dont really approve isreal having them either.:agree: Nobody should have them. Who decides who can and can't have nuclear weapons though?

Gatecrasher
21-06-2008, 03:36 PM
:agree: Nobody should have them. Who decides who can and can't have nuclear weapons though?


i would think that was the UN, who appear to be losing contol of the whole situation.

although i dont think its any surprise that you could trust the UK to have nuclear power more than the iranians

Gatecrasher
21-06-2008, 03:37 PM
In what world are they the only options?

Iran are not even close to having a nuclear bomb (incidentally, guess who started the Iranian nuclear programme. That's right the U.S.). If they do want them, it isn't exactly surprising considering the willingness of Israel, the U.S. and the U.K. to indescriminately invade Middle Eastern nations. It does, however, play straight into the hands of Israel and the U.S. - giving them a raison d'etre for invasion.

The fact that some people seem to think an invasion would be a good idea is genuinely mind-boggling to me. It's the equivalent of throwing petrol onto a fire because, "we have to do something".

i dont think its the only options but at this moment in times its the only one being considered by USA and Isreal.

Mike777
22-06-2008, 02:37 PM
i would think that was the UN, who appear to be losing contol of the whole situation.

although i dont think its any surprise that you could trust the UK to have nuclear power more than the iranians


UN are the most currupted organisation i can think off, they have no control over anything in todays world.

Phil D. Rolls
24-06-2008, 12:06 PM
What a disgrace! Is there not enough crap going on in the Middle East! :grr:

It is in direct proportion to the amount of oil they have.

British fuel prices have been being pushed up for months, to make the populace desperate for cheaper oil. Those Persian ********s have been holding us to ransom for too long.

Let's nuke them. (is how we are supposed to be thinking).

Golden Bear
24-06-2008, 12:10 PM
UN are the most currupted organisation i can think off, they have no control over anything in todays world.

:agree:

They're as much use as a concrete parachute.

Pretty Boy
24-06-2008, 02:47 PM
UN are the most currupted organisation i can think off, they have no control over anything in todays world.

:agree: The UN is a shambles. The USA has failed to pay it's contributions for umpteen years because they don't believe it has any value as an organisation, maybe if they stopped ignoring it's legislations and rulings at every turn they would see the value!

There is a pathetic ruling dating back to WWII thats stops major economic powers such as Japan and Germany sitting as permanent memebers of the security council. Fair enough in the immediate aftermath of the war but is this ruling going to last forever? In say 2050 are Germany and Japan still not able to vote on major issues because of their conduct under competely different regimes in a different time period.

The UN as an organisation needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom and having it's own armed forces would be a start.

Richard Scott
24-06-2008, 07:10 PM
:agree: Nobody should have them. Who decides who can and can't have nuclear weapons though?

Americans? :dunno:

Mixu62
25-06-2008, 12:53 AM
It is in direct proportion to the amount of oil they have.

British fuel prices have been being pushed up for months, to make the populace desperate for cheaper oil. Those Persian ********s have been holding us to ransom for too long.

Let's nuke them. (is how we are supposed to be thinking).

Was I the only one going,"eh?!! WHAT???? YOU MUPPET" until they read the bit in brackets!!

It all makes me glad to be thousansds of miles out of harms way.

hibsdaft
25-06-2008, 10:09 PM
although i dont think its any surprise that you could trust the UK to have nuclear power more than the iranians

you think that, and maybe i do too, but only because we're from the UK. put yourself in the shoes of an iranian and you might think differently.

fwiw that wee iranian who has got the back up Bush doesn't actually control the iranian army iirc. the people who do are no more suicidal than you or i.

Phil D. Rolls
27-06-2008, 11:14 AM
Was I the only one going,"eh?!! WHAT???? YOU MUPPET" until they read the bit in brackets!!

It all makes me glad to be thousansds of miles out of harms way.

Good grief, the comedian's a bear! :agree:

slopey
27-06-2008, 10:18 PM
i don't think anyone should have nuclear weapons, especially america. But there is something about iran having them that would worry me if i was israeli, so they should be thinking of trying to do something about it? It's not a crime to defend yourself. If scotland was that close to so many hateful dicatatorships then i for one would want us to act in our defence!

LiverpoolHibs
27-06-2008, 11:18 PM
i don't think anyone should have nuclear weapons, especially america. But there is something about iran having them that would worry me if i was israeli, so they should be thinking of trying to do something about it? It's not a crime to defend yourself. If scotland was that close to so many hateful dicatatorships then i for one would want us to act in our defence!

Yeah, because Israel is a veritable haven of enlightened and progressive democracy.

slopey
27-06-2008, 11:49 PM
it is if you want to compare it to it's neighbours. Having lived in the middle east for ten years i would say it is the only country in the region that has democracy. There is still a lot wrong there but israel is put in a position that uk or usa would not tolerate.

suicide bombs every day change a persons belief never mind a countries.

Also the situation in the middle east is a problem brought on by british innadequacy and selfishness. so in reallity we are to blame for the whole situation

Tazio
28-06-2008, 12:35 AM
Also the situation in the middle east is a problem brought on by british innadequacy and selfishness. so in reallity we are to blame for the whole situation

We're not alone if you consider the Sykes-Picot arrangement. It is an area create artificially by the western powers of the time.

LiverpoolHibs
28-06-2008, 12:41 AM
it is if you want to compare it to it's neighbours. Having lived in the middle east for ten years i would say it is the only country in the region that has democracy. There is still a lot wrong there but israel is put in a position that uk or usa would not tolerate.

suicide bombs every day change a persons belief never mind a countries.

Also the situation in the middle east is a problem brought on by british innadequacy and selfishness. so in reallity we are to blame for the whole situation

I pretty much (although not entirely) agree with your final sentence.

I would imagine that Israeli settlers illegally occupying Palestinian land and occupation of other sovereign territories (Golan Heights), anti-Palestinian pogroms, limiting of water and electricity supplies to the Gaza Strip ammounting to a siege, stop-and-search and shoot-to-kill operations, bulldozing of Palestinian olive-groves (one of the few opportunities for Palestinians to make a living) and houses, indiscriminate and murderous bombings of 'terrorists', denial of access to medical treatment, denial of the freedom of movement and illegal 'collective punishment' might drive someone to such an act.

LiverpoolHibs
28-06-2008, 12:45 AM
N.B. Not that I condone every Palestinian attack on Israel, far from it, but it is worth noting that it is enshrined in U.N. law that an occupied and oppressed people has the right to oppose by force such occupation and oppression.

slopey
28-06-2008, 02:09 AM
I pretty much (although not entirely) agree with your final sentence.

I would imagine that Israeli settlers illegally occupying Palestinian land and occupation of other sovereign territories (Golan Heights), anti-Palestinian pogroms, limiting of water and electricity supplies to the Gaza Strip ammounting to a siege, stop-and-search and shoot-to-kill operations, bulldozing of Palestinian olive-groves (one of the few opportunities for Palestinians to make a living) and houses, indiscriminate and murderous bombings of 'terrorists', denial of access to medical treatment, denial of the freedom of movement and illegal 'collective punishment' might drive someone to such an act.

You won't find me arguing with anything you have said! Apart from the fact that i think it is too easy to blame israel for everything! I in no way support israel and i dont believe in any of their policies, all i am thinking is if we were in that situation with our neighbours how would we react???

pretty much more mental than israel does, i know its bad but seriously we woulld be worse.....we probably are in irak and afghanistan.

thankfully we live in a great country with great neighbours

Betty Boop
28-06-2008, 07:36 AM
I pretty much (although not entirely) agree with your final sentence.

I would imagine that Israeli settlers illegally occupying Palestinian land and occupation of other sovereign territories (Golan Heights), anti-Palestinian pogroms, limiting of water and electricity supplies to the Gaza Strip ammounting to a siege, stop-and-search and shoot-to-kill operations, bulldozing of Palestinian olive-groves (one of the few opportunities for Palestinians to make a living) and houses, indiscriminate and murderous bombings of 'terrorists', denial of access to medical treatment, denial of the freedom of movement and illegal 'collective punishment' might drive someone to such an act.:agree:

Hibrandenburg
30-06-2008, 10:15 AM
"Si vis pacem, para bellum"

LiverpoolHibs
30-06-2008, 10:26 AM
"Si vis pacem, para bellum"

I think Latin aphorisms should be the basis for all major foreign policy decisions.

:greengrin

paullotion
30-06-2008, 10:30 AM
I doubt very much there will an attack on Iran, Iran is not Iraq and can defend itself, China and Russia have warned the US not to attack Iran, as i lot of Irianian oil goes to China/Russia, they(Iran) could sell it to us for about $30 a barrel, unlike the greedy saudi`s who forcing oil to go beyond $130 a barrel.

Also factor in that Iran no longer users dollars to trade in oil, they use Euros instead, whether Israel attacks Iran is another matter, but Iran will defend itself.

Hibrandenburg
30-06-2008, 10:38 AM
I think Latin aphorisms should be the basis for all major foreign policy decisions.

:greengrin

What did the Romans ever do for us eh? :greengrin

Seriously, we could learn a lot from them if we'd only take the time to.

Hanny
01-07-2008, 05:15 PM
Pentagon Official Warns of Israeli Attack on Iran (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/US/story?id=5281043&page=1)

Might not be too far away.

Betty Boop
01-07-2008, 05:37 PM
Pentagon Official Warns of Israeli Attack on Iran (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/US/story?id=5281043&page=1)

Might not be too far away.Jeezo, a bloodbath for sure in the Middle East! :boo hoo: