UFOs

[steakbake]

anyone believe in these fellas?

is bonnybridge still the place to go to watch them carvin' up the night's sky?

when do you think the mothership will come back?

[Pretty Boy]

The distance between our planet and any other planet capable of supporting life means that alien beings would have to travel not only distance but through time as well to reach us. Whilst time travel is not theoretically impossible, it is both improbable and impractical.

I am not arrogant enough to assume we are the only beings in a space as vast as the universe. I do, however, believe that UFO sightings are nonsense.

[steakbake]

the old fermis conundrum.

if they exist, they'd have been here.

[joe_hfc]

The distance between our planet and any other planet capable of supporting life means that alien beings would have to travel not only distance but through time as well to reach us. Whilst time travel is not theoretically impossible, it is both improbable and impractical.

I am not arrogant enough to assume we are the only beings in a space as vast as the universe. I do, however, believe that UFO sightings are nonsense.

how would you know what life lies in what planet, and what other technologies are capable of? just because WE havn't done it, you shouldnt be so arrogant to say it CANT be done.

[Pretty Boy]

how would you know what life lies in what planet, and what other technologies are capable of? just because WE havn't done it, you shouldnt be so arrogant to say it CANT be done.

We haven't done it but both Einstein and Steven Hawking have undertaken extensive work into travelling those sorts of distances. It is theoretically impossible to do it without travelling through time, even the light you see from the sun is 8 minutes old travelling at the speed of light.

Therefore it is safe to assume UFOs must travel at faster than the speed of light which is essentially time travel. Now this becomes tricky as due to the theory of relativity e=mc2 and so on as your speed accelerates the speed of matter around you bends and decelerates therein making the process exceptionally tricky. Like i say not impossible but highly impractical as you would essentially arrive in your destination before you set off, so in theory no one would know you were there, even the most advanced theoretical science cannot explain how this conundrum could be resolved.

[steakbake]

We haven't done it but both Einstein and Steven Hawking have undertaken extensive work into travelling those sorts of distances. It is theoretically impossible to do it without travelling through time, even the light you see from the sun is 8 minutes old travelling at the speed of light.

Therefore it is safe to assume UFOs must travel at faster than the speed of light which is essentially time travel. Now this becomes tricky as due to the theory of relativity e=mc2 and so on as your speed accelerates the speed of matter around you bends and decelerates therein making the process exceptionally tricky. Like i say not impossible but highly impractical as you would essentially arrive in your destination before you set off, so in theory no one would know you were there, even the most advanced theoretical science cannot explain how this conundrum could be resolved.

We're of course, relying on human understanding of space science, metaphysics and indeed, mechanics which is the most advanced that we have got to, but it doesn't necessarily mean that ours is the most advanced theories that there are or that are possible.

[Pretty Boy]

We haven't done it but both Einstein and Steven Hawking have undertaken extensive work into travelling those sorts of distances. It is theoretically impossible to do it without travelling through time, even the light you see from the sun is 8 minutes old travelling at the speed of light.

Therefore it is safe to assume UFOs must travel at faster than the speed of light which is essentially time travel. Now this becomes tricky as due to the theory of relativity e=mc2 and so on as your speed accelerates the speed of matter around you bends and decelerates therein making the process exceptionally tricky. Like i say not impossible but highly impractical as you would essentially arrive in your destination before you set off, so in theory no one would know you were there, even the most advanced theoretical science cannot explain how this conundrum could be resolved.

We're of course, relying on human understanding of space science, metaphysics and indeed, mechanics which is the most advanced that we have got to, but it doesn't necessarily mean that ours is the most advanced theories that there are or that are possible.

Of course not. I actually read a very interesting article in Science Journal a few weeks ago were a very forward thinking Japanese professor basically stated he does believe time travel and inter galactic travel will be a reality, however some 100 000 years or so in the future by which time the small mindedness of human beings will mean we have already destroyed our own planet and wiped our species out.

The point i am trying to make is obvioulsy more advanced species in our universe may be capable of building machines to reach us. However with the impracticalities and the sheer chances against them happening to stumble across our significant yet tiny planet means that, for me, UFOs as we seem to understand them are theories for crackpots to discuss and believe in. Most websites with UFO abductee testimonies also contain 'scientific' articles about a flat earth and a reptilian royal family an so on.

I do not doubt the possibility of other, more advanced species than our own but the Roswell incident and UFOs over Bonnybridge are, IMHO, a nonsense.

After all how many humans would want to go near Bonnybridge never mind extra terrestrial beings?

[uk3doorsdown]

We haven't done it but both Einstein and Steven Hawking have undertaken extensive work into travelling those sorts of distances. It is theoretically impossible to do it without travelling through time, even the light you see from the sun is 8 minutes old travelling at the speed of light.

Therefore it is safe to assume UFOs must travel at faster than the speed of light which is essentially time travel. Now this becomes tricky as due to the theory of relativity e=mc2 and so on as your speed accelerates the speed of matter around you bends and decelerates therein making the process exceptionally tricky. Like i say not impossible but highly impractical as you would essentially arrive in your destination before you set off, so in theory no one would know you were there, even the most advanced theoretical science cannot explain how this conundrum could be resolved.

Such a typical human thing to say - you have yet to open your small minds to the wonders of the universe:drool:

[Pretty Boy]

Such a typical human thing to say - you have yet to open your small minds to the wonders of the universe:drool:

If you read my above post you will see clearly i am not closed off to the view of space and time travel merely aware of it's limitations and impracticality.

My main problem is with the UFO stories that appear on the internet which are clearly from people with a need for some kind of psychiatric care.

How else is a human being supposed to judge something other than in human terms?

[steakbake]

If you read my above post you will see clearly i am not closed off to the view of space and time travel merely aware of it's limitations and impracticality.

My main problem is with the UFO stories that appear on the internet which are clearly from people with a need for some kind of psychiatric care.

How else is a human being supposed to judge something other than in human terms?

:LOL: very true.

Most "contactees" seem to have a bizarre self esteem issue that the beings have chosen them and them only. Specially selected as it were, chosen ones. A bit like hearts fans but with a slightly firmer grasp of reality.

[Lucius Apuleius]

anyone believe in these fellas?

is bonnybridge still the place to go to watch them carvin' up the night's sky?

when do you think the mothership will come back?


[QUOTE=blacksaltire;1627564]

Of course not. I actually read a very interesting article in Science Journal a few weeks ago were a very forward thinking Japanese professor basically stated he does believe time travel and inter galactic travel will be a reality, however some 100 000 years or so in the future by which time the small mindedness of human beings will mean we have already destroyed our own planet and wiped our species out.

The point i am trying to make is obvioulsy more advanced species in our universe may be capable of building machines to reach us. However with the impracticalities and the sheer chances against them happening to stumble across our significant yet tiny planet means that, for me, UFOs as we seem to understand them are theories for crackpots to discuss and believe in. Most websites with UFO abductee testimonies also contain 'scientific' articles about a flat earth and a reptilian royal family an so on.

I do not doubt the possibility of other, more advanced species than our own but the Roswell incident and UFOs over Bonnybridge are, IMHO, a nonsense.

After all how many humans would want to go near Bonnybridge never mind extra terrestrial beings?


Watch it, bog all wrong with Bonnybridge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimmy_lad]

Theres a great series on the History channel right now called The Universe. Great show and great at expaling how the known universe around us really works.

To travel faster than light you would have to bend space/time to do this you would need a great amount of energy, the amount is incomprehansable to us mere humans.

Another way would apparently be the use of anti matter, this merged with normal matter creates a huge amount of energy. This type of matter was in abundance after the big bang but is now very much obsolete. We can make it but to create a teaspoon of the stuff would bankrupt the USA.

As we know it, light is the fastest known thing in the universe. The closest star to us is 4 light years away so would take 4 years to get to if we were travelling at the speed of light. To travel all the way across our own Galaxy would take 75,000 years at the speed of light.

Our Galaxy is a spec on a spec on a spec of sand in relation to the size of the known Universe.

Something must be out there.

[HibbyGuBrath]

Aye, something must definitely be out there. I'm pretty sure that there's folk out there capable of reaching us if they so choose. I doubt any aliens would really want to bother though. And bonnybridge!?

There are ways around having to travel faster than the speed of light. Worm holes for example. Our understanding of the physics of the universe is still very incomplete, so I wouldn't rule anything out. Even Einstein got things wrong.

As for using an anti-matter/matter as a fuel source, thats a great idea. I think in our part of the universe, there doesn't seem to be much anti-matter about, but it may still exists in mass quantities in other parts.

[joe_hfc]

We haven't done it but both Einstein and Steven Hawking have undertaken extensive work into travelling those sorts of distances. It is theoretically impossible to do it without travelling through time, even the light you see from the sun is 8 minutes old travelling at the speed of light.

Therefore it is safe to assume UFOs must travel at faster than the speed of light which is essentially time travel. Now this becomes tricky as due to the theory of relativity e=mc2 and so on as your speed accelerates the speed of matter around you bends and decelerates therein making the process exceptionally tricky. Like i say not impossible but highly impractical as you would essentially arrive in your destination before you set off, so in theory no one would know you were there, even the most advanced theoretical science cannot explain how this conundrum could be resolved.

you're speaking of human understanding which you would be completely correct. What are the chances of humans in 1000s, even just 100s of years, that would looks at einstines theories of relativity and laughing? Just because we THINK we understand something it doesn't mean it's so.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Theres a great series on the History channel right now called The Universe. Great show and great at expaling how the known universe around us really works.

To travel faster than light you would have to bend space/time to do this you would need a great amount of energy, the amount is incomprehansable to us mere humans.

Another way would apparently be the use of anti matter, this merged with normal matter creates a huge amount of energy. This type of matter was in abundance after the big bang but is now very much obsolete. We can make it but to create a teaspoon of the stuff would bankrupt the USA.

As we know it, light is the fastest known thing in the universe. The closest star to us is 4 light years away so would take 4 years to get to if we were travelling at the speed of light. To travel all the way across our own Galaxy would take 75,000 years at the speed of light.

Our Galaxy is a spec on a spec on a spec of sand in relation to the size of the known Universe.

Something must be out there.

75,000 years as we measure time on earth, BUT if we were traveling at say 0.99c (99% of the speed of light) then that time would now be ~10,580 years as time has been dilated as you are traveling at a relativistically significant speed. If we could get to a speed as close to the speed of light as possible then it could be done in ~ one year as time has slowed down so much. Its all relative, links into the twins paradox. Twin 1 stays on earth, Twin 2 travels in space at a relativistically significant speed. Twin 2 comes back and Twin 1 has aged more.

Its all mind boggling stuff especially if you move from Special relativity, like above, to general relativity- where wormholes, 3D curved space time appears etc etc.

As to UFO's, yes they do exist, technically something we cannot identify in the sky is a UFO but are they aliens? I very much doubt it.

[Hibrandenburg]

How do you know that they're not amongst us?

De doo doo doo doo doooooooooooo!

[Pretty Boy]

you're speaking of human understanding which you would be completely correct. What are the chances of humans in 1000s, even just 100s of years, that would looks at einstines theories of relativity and laughing? Just because we THINK we understand something it doesn't mean it's so.

Einsteins theory of relativity is watertight, in 100s or 100s of years it won't be laughed at. That's not to say we won't find ways around it, i am very open to that idea, however the problems of bending matter, light speed and anti matter will still exist, all of which are dealt with somewhere in the relativity theory.

[Bishop Hibee]

anyone believe in these fellas?

is bonnybridge still the place to go to watch them carvin' up the night's sky?

when do you think the mothership will come back?

I've got a mate who refers to B&Q at Fort Kinnaird as The Mothership. Does that count :confused::greengrin

Certainly a few jambos of my acquaintance appear to be on a different planet :crazy:

I'm hoping we manage time travel in my lifetime so I can go back to watch us win the Scottish Cup :partyhibb

[GlesgaeHibby]

Einsteins theory of relativity is watertight, in 100s or 100s of years it won't be laughed at. That's not to say we won't find ways around it, i am very open to that idea, however the problems of bending matter, light speed and anti matter will still exist, all of which are dealt with somewhere in the relativity theory.

Special Relativity should be watertight, but then again we are laughing at Newton's sound laws once Einstein came along. Newton's laws hold in an inertial frame but WTF is an inertial frame? Somewhere where no net force acts on an object. Impossible to find.