Taking the piss?

[Wembley67]

If the following was football related it would probably have been front page news - absolutely shocking behaviour, but they are rugby fans so they were just probably having a larrrff :bitchy:

ENGLAND FAN FALLS VICTIM TO RACIAL ATTACK IN EDINBURGH

Drunken Scotland rugby fans have targeted an England supporter in a sickening attack in Edinburgh. It happened in Bristo Square after the recent Six Nations game at Murrayfield. A group of up to 40 people surrounded the man, as louts urinated on him. Many of them filmed the incident on their mobile phones.

http://www.forthone.co.uk/Article.asp?id=16202

[Onceinawhile]

If the following was football related it would probably have been front page news - absolutely shocking behaviour, but they are rugby fans so they were just probably having a larrrff :bitchy:

ENGLAND FAN FALLS VICTIM TO RACIAL ATTACK IN EDINBURGH

Drunken Scotland rugby fans have targeted an England supporter in a sickening attack in Edinburgh. It happened in Bristo Square after the recent Six Nations game at Murrayfield. A group of up to 40 people surrounded the man, as louts urinated on him. Many of them filmed the incident on their mobile phones.

http://www.forthone.co.uk/Article.asp?id=16202

no no no, rugby fans never cause any bother and are always well behaved and get on with everyone must have been off duty football fans

[Greentinted]

no no no, rugby fans never cause any bother and are always well behaved and get on with everyone must have been off duty football fans


Aye, that'll be the same rugby fans who ripped a wing mirror off the 22 bus I was on passing Muddyfield at 2:45 that day.
Just a bit of high jinks...nothing to worry about.:bitchy:

[hibsboy90]

I'm a massive rugby fan, but whilst i accept that the sport is not 'white' but then it's not as bad as football has been previously.

I was in rome at the weekend for the game, and beforehand and prior to the game, both sets of fans were mingling with each other no problem. Plenty of beer consumed also :greengrin That was also my experience of the game at murrayfield against England.

But your always going to get rugby bashing on here, yet football has had more than its fair share of unsavoury moments and behavioiur by fans. I've never heard about pitch battles by rugby fans, and i suppose the worst behaviour is when we play England. But then i remember when we played England at Hampden for Euro 2000, some scenes from that day were shocking.

I'm going to be controversial here, but Rugby has been traditionally well supported by an "upper class":duck:(not the best way to describe it i'm sorry). But now there is a larger cross section of society supporting the game, which is fantastic news that i welcome. However there are eejits that come with that 'branching out' Possibly football is getting cleaner, but rugby is moving down and so football fans can 'slag' rugby fans off, but say this happened by some rugby fans during the height of the football hooligan era, then football fans wouldn't be in such a strong position to criticise.


Although it is a disgraceful act that was probably caused by students, and i hope those accountable have the book thrown at them. :rules:

[Chuckie]

I'm going to be controversial and say that rugby is a sport for public schoolboys, homosexuals and farmers. I bet that England fan enjoyed his golden shower.

[hibsboy90]

I'm going to be controversial and say that rugby is a sport for public schoolboys, homosexuals and farmers. I bet that England fan enjoyed his golden shower.
:yawn:

[1two]

I'm going to be controversial and say that rugby is a sport for public schoolboys, homosexuals and farmers. I bet that England fan enjoyed his golden shower.

:greengrin

[DaveF]

:yawn:

I dunno, I found Chuckie's assesment quite witty and probably not far wrong :greengrin

[HibsMax]

One thing I find interesting about the story is that fact that it's being labeled as racial. Now I know this all came about because he's English and the louts were Scottish but I don't really think the attack is racially motivated. It's first and foremost sports related. This may be a controversial opinion and it's one I find difficult to put into words but the man wasn't attacked JUST because he was English.

[Steve-O]

I'm surprised the old cliche - "they are not real rugby fans" wasn't used as it is with every single football story involving fans causing bother.

[hibsboy90]

I dunno, I found Chuckie's assesment quite witty and probably not far wrong :greengrin

It's not that it wasn't quick or witty, it's just that it gets trundled out ALL the time. What if i'm one of the groups of people that Chuckie mentioned?:greengrin


I'm surprised the old cliche - "they are not real rugby fans" wasn't used as it is with every single football story involving fans causing bother.

Are you talking about the article or my response. I'm suprised that the story hasn't been picked up by any of the national papers however.

[Danderhall Hibs]

One thing I find interesting about the story is that fact that it's being labeled as racial. Now I know this all came about because he's English and the louts were Scottish but I don't really think the attack is racially motivated. It's first and foremost sports related. This may be a controversial opinion and it's one I find difficult to put into words but the man wasn't attacked JUST because he was English.

It's not racist it's xenophobic :wink:

[Hibbyradge]

One thing I find interesting about the story is that fact that it's being labeled as racial. Now I know this all came about because he's English and the louts were Scottish but I don't really think the attack is racially motivated. It's first and foremost sports related. This may be a controversial opinion and it's one I find difficult to put into words but the man wasn't attacked JUST because he was English.

I doubt they would have done it to an Italian fan.

Or French, Welsh or Irish.

[HibsMax]

I doubt they would have done it to an Italian fan.

Or French, Welsh or Irish.

I hear ya, but I also doubt that they would do it to just any English person either. I think it's because he was both a rugby fan and a English. It doesn't matter anyway, it's inexcusable behaviour.

[AndyM_1875]

I'm going to be controversial and say that rugby is a sport for public schoolboys, homosexuals and farmers.

Thats no more true than football is a game for bams, neds and the brain dead.

I would challenge you to walk into the club houses at Stirling County, Glasgow Hawks, Ross High or Preston Lodge and say that.:devil:

[Chuckie]

Thats no more true than football is a game for bams, neds and the brain dead.

I would challenge you to walk into the club houses at Stirling County, Glasgow Hawks, Ross High or Preston Lodge and say that.:devil:

I would accept... Alasdair and Ruaridh and co would probably all be too busy fisting each other, stapling their scrotums to their legs, and drinking each others faeces and urine to care...

And because I'm a bam...

[--------]

I'm a massive rugby fan, but whilst i accept that the sport is not 'white' but then it's not as bad as football has been previously.

I was in rome at the weekend for the game, and beforehand and prior to the game, both sets of fans were mingling with each other no problem. Plenty of beer consumed also :greengrin That was also my experience of the game at murrayfield against England.

But your always going to get rugby bashing on here, yet football has had more than its fair share of unsavoury moments and behavioiur by fans. I've never heard about pitch battles by rugby fans, and i suppose the worst behaviour is when we play England. But then i remember when we played England at Hampden for Euro 2000, some scenes from that day were shocking.

I'm going to be controversial here, but Rugby has been traditionally well supported by an "upper class":duck:(not the best way to describe it i'm sorry). But now there is a larger cross section of society supporting the game, which is fantastic news that i welcome. However there are eejits that come with that 'branching out' Possibly football is getting cleaner, but rugby is moving down and so football fans can 'slag' rugby fans off, but say this happened by some rugby fans during the height of the football hooligan era, then football fans wouldn't be in such a strong position to criticise.


Although it is a disgraceful act that was probably caused by students, and i hope those accountable have the book thrown at them. :rules:


Clinical obesity is nothing to boast about.

How 'massive' are you, btw? 25, 30, 40 stone? Most of the fat seems to have gone to your head, I'd say.

Read your post again, and ask yourself where you left your brains, why don't you?

Rugby fans have been getting away with disgraceful behaviour for years - anyone who's lived in and around Edinburgh as long as I have knows that. The City Centre on an International night? A rotten disgrace, with the police mostly turning a blind eye. Football fans behaving like that would be lifted very quickly, AND get a good kicking into the bargain. But then a lot of polis I know play ruggah.

And it was a bunch of STUDENTS, not genuine Ruggah-Buggahs, wasn't it?

[wpj]

I would accept... Alasdair and Ruaridh and co would probably all be too busy fisting each other, stapling their scrotums to their legs, and drinking each others faeces and urine to care...

And because I'm a bam...

:greengrin

[Onceinawhile]

Although it is a disgraceful act that was probably caused by students, and i hope those accountable have the book thrown at them. :rules:

racism is wrong but its ok to stereotype and attribute things to other groups of people if it isnt based on race..?

[Bad Martini]

[SIZE=4]Rugby fans have been getting away with disgraceful behaviour for years - anyone who's lived in and around Edinburgh as long as I have knows that. The City Centre on an International night? A rotten disgrace, with the police mostly turning a blind eye. Football fans behaving like that would be lifted very quickly, AND get a good kicking into the bargain. But then a lot of polis I know play ruggah.

And it was a bunch of [B]STUDENTS, not genuine Ruggah-Buggahs, wasn't it?


Once again, I find myself agreein with Doddie here.

Rugby fans have a LOT to answer for but rarely do.

"boys will boys" ... My ARSE.

ENDOF

[robinp]

I'm going to be controversial and say that rugby is a sport for public schoolboys, homosexuals and farmers. I bet that England fan enjoyed his golden shower.

:cool2:

[robinp]

It's not that it wasn't quick or witty, it's just that it gets trundled out ALL the time. What if i'm one of the groups of people that Chuckie mentioned?:greengrin



Are you talking about the article or my response. I'm suprised that the story hasn't been picked up by any of the national papers however.

Are you?

:greengrin

[Nakedmanoncrack]

I'm going to be controversial and say that rugby is a sport for public schoolboys, homosexuals and farmers. I bet that England fan enjoyed his golden shower.

Strange that this doesn't seem to have been reported elsewhere, I'd have my doubts about whether this 'attack' happened. Could well have been part of the hilarious hi-jinks that the rugger fraternity are known for.

[Chez]

Clinical obesity is nothing to boast about.

How 'massive' are you, btw? 25, 30, 40 stone? Most of the fat seems to have gone to your head, I'd say.

Read your post again, and ask yourself where you left your brains, why don't you?

Rugby fans have been getting away with disgraceful behaviour for years - anyone who's lived in and around Edinburgh as long as I have knows that. The City Centre on an International night? A rotten disgrace, with the police mostly turning a blind eye. Football fans behaving like that would be lifted very quickly, AND get a good kicking into the bargain. But then a lot of polis I know play ruggah.

And it was a bunch of STUDENTS, not genuine Ruggah-Buggahs, wasn't it?

:agree: Rugby fans are worst than footie fans - just go along into town when a match is on and it is there for all to see - racism, bigotry, aggression, fighting, throwing pints at and urinating over rival fans etc. One of many that springs to mind immediately was during the 1991 Rugby Sevens - in the Rose Street Brewery (not sure if it still is that), Scottish fans got pints of Guinness (sp) and chucked the whole lot, glass an all, to the irish fans inside and outside the pub. The place was covered in the stout and glass. Three police vans and seven cars were there and Rose Street was barricaded from Frederick Street to St Davids Street. Bear in mind that they have been drinking before, during and after the game as well. Everyone who was in pubs in that part of Rose Street that night had to leave after being questioned etc.

I would say that it is time they banned alcohol consumption during rugby games since they are not by any means "better behaved" than footie fans.

[hibsboy90]

I would accept... Alasdair and Ruaridh and co would probably all be too busy fisting each other, stapling their scrotums to their legs, and drinking each others faeces and urine to care...

And because I'm a bam...


Walk into the clubhouse at somewhere like PL, or in the rugby heartland of the Borders and i somehow doubt that you would see that.


Clinical obesity is nothing to boast about.

How 'massive' are you, btw? 25, 30, 40 stone? Most of the fat seems to have gone to your head, I'd say.

Read your post again, and ask yourself where you left your brains, why don't you?

Rugby fans have been getting away with disgraceful behaviour for years - anyone who's lived in and around Edinburgh as long as I have knows that. The City Centre on an International night? A rotten disgrace, with the police mostly turning a blind eye. Football fans behaving like that would be lifted very quickly, AND get a good kicking into the bargain. But then a lot of polis I know play ruggah.

And it was a bunch of STUDENTS, not genuine Ruggah-Buggahs, wasn't it?


35 stone :greengrin

I've read it over again and i'm not sure what you see is so wrong. I possibly got the order wrong - i should've started off by emphasising how despicable an act it was. And then given my view.

And in terms of your experiences in Edinburgh, i've not had any hassle on international weekends to be honest. But after a derby it can be tense.

Whats with the whole 'ruggah' thing though, the majority of rugby players in Scotland wouldn't come from backgrounds viewed as posh.


racism is wrong but its ok to stereotype and attribute things to other groups of people if it isnt based on race..?

The area that the attack happpened is known as a student area, at Bristo square on a saturday night you have Potterow, a student nightclub which is always packed on a saturday, with hour long queues frequent. You also have teviot across the road which is normally busy on a saturday.

I was actually out that night, at the area and it was as full of students as ever, and probably a bit more than normal with them being in the pub watching a game. And there were obviously more scotland and england colours on show.

I think that it's a high probability of who did it though, i have nothing against students at all. I mean, it could have been David Murphy and Garry O up on the lash together who did it, probably not though.

Honestly, when something comes up on hibs.net about a car crash in gorgie, or something stupid happens in the USA. We are quick to say stupid yam, or stupink yank. Well IMO that area on a saturday night is prime Student area. It might not of been though, i never said it was, there is a good chance though, hence the use of 'probably'.



Are you?

:greengrin

Yes, not homosexual though :wink:


:agree: Rugby fans are worst than footie fans - just go along into town when a match is on and it is there for all to see - racism, bigotry, aggression, fighting, throwing pints at and urinating over rival fans etc. One of many that springs to mind immediately was during the 1991 Rugby Sevens - in the Rose Street Brewery (not sure if it still is that), Scottish fans got pints of Guinness (sp) and chucked the whole lot, glass an all, to the irish fans inside and outside the pub. The place was covered in the stout and glass. Three police vans and seven cars were there and Rose Street was barricaded from Frederick Street to St Davids Street. Bear in mind that they have been drinking before, during and after the game as well. Everyone who was in pubs in that part of Rose Street that night had to leave after being questioned etc.

I would say that it is time they banned alcohol consumption during rugby games since they are not by any means "better behaved" than footie fans.

Your more than welcome to your opinion, but there aren't instances in the grounds that have been seen at the football previously. I know nothing major has happened at the footy recently, but there is a track record. Believe me, i think that it would be great to have a pint at ER.

And in terms of your example, it's not uncommon for pints to be thrown over people when drink has been consumed. I know that i don't, but mates have been soaked by this.



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I'm trying my best to defend a sport that i have great passion for, on a football site. It's like going on Kickback and defending hibs, so go easy:greengrin:wink:

[Chez]

Walk into the clubhouse at somewhere like PL, or in the rugby heartland of the Borders and i somehow doubt that you would see that.




35 stone :greengrin

I've read it over again and i'm not sure what you see is so wrong. I possibly got the order wrong - i should've started off by emphasising how despicable an act it was. And then given my view.

And in terms of your experiences in Edinburgh, i've not had any hassle on international weekends to be honest. But after a derby it can be tense.

Whats with the whole 'ruggah' thing though, the majority of rugby players in Scotland wouldn't come from backgrounds viewed as posh.



The area that the attack happpened is known as a student area, at Bristo square on a saturday night you have Potterow, a student nightclub which is always packed on a saturday, with hour long queues frequent. You also have teviot across the road which is normally busy on a saturday.

I was actually out that night, at the area and it was as full of students as ever, and probably a bit more than normal with them being in the pub watching a game. And there were obviously more scotland and england colours on show.

I think that it's a high probability of who did it though, i have nothing against students at all. I mean, it could have been David Murphy and Garry O up on the lash together who did it, probably not though.

Honestly, when something comes up on hibs.net about a car crash in gorgie, or something stupid happens in the USA. We are quick to say stupid yam, or stupink yank. Well IMO that area on a saturday night is prime Student area. It might not of been though, i never said it was, there is a good chance though, hence the use of 'probably'.




Yes, not homosexual though :wink:



Your more than welcome to your opinion, but there aren't instances in the grounds that have been seen at the football previously. I know nothing major has happened at the footy recently, but there is a track record. Believe me, i think that it would be great to have a pint at ER.

And in terms of your example, it's not uncommon for pints to be thrown over people when drink has been consumed. I know that i don't, but mates have been soaked by this.


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I'm trying my best to defend a sport that i have great passion for, on a football site. It's like going on Kickback and defending hibs, so go easy:greengrin:wink:

Rugby crowds/fans included :agree:

[hibsboy90]

Rugby crowds/fans included :agree:

Yep, never said it didn't include them.

[LancashireHibby]

Typical Union fans, all too quick to get their chopper out in front of other blokes!

[Chez]

Yep, never said it didn't include them.

Fair enough mate :thumbsup:

[Steve-O]

It's not that it wasn't quick or witty, it's just that it gets trundled out ALL the time. What if i'm one of the groups of people that Chuckie mentioned?:greengrin



Are you talking about the article or my response. I'm suprised that the story hasn't been picked up by any of the national papers however.

I was talking about the article. Although the 'not REAL fans' cliche is often wheeled out on this messageboard too.

[Onceinawhile]

I think that it's a high probability of who did it though, i have nothing against students at all. I mean, it could have been David Murphy and Garry O up on the lash together who did it, probably not though.



was the man dressed as elvis?

[hibsboy90]

was the man dressed as elvis?

It was meant as a far fetched possibilty, of course it wasn't them, i was just making the point that it could have been anyone eally. So there is no need to be patronising about it tbh.

[Sergio sledge]

:agree: Rugby fans are worst than footie fans

They're equally as bad as each other IMHO, although, despite me being a rugby player and fan, I do agree that rugby fans tend to get away with things a lot more than football fans do. Probably is because of the whole "upper class" thing.

And before anyone asks, I'm not upper class, homosexual or a farmer....

The common factor in all the trouble we get after any rugby or football matches, or in fact pretty much every saturday night, is too much drink. Why can't British people be responsible with their drinking and not feel the need to act like total twats when they've got a few drinks in them?:bitchy:


I would say that it is time they banned alcohol consumption during rugby games since they are not by any means "better behaved" than footie fans.

:agree: Just because there aren't mass riots within the ground doesn't mean there isn't trouble because of the alcohol.

[Onceinawhile]

It was meant as a far fetched possibilty, of course it wasn't them, i was just making the point that it could have been anyone eally. So there is no need to be patronising about it tbh.

i knew that, i was only having a laugh :thumbsup:

Edit: im assuming you know garry o connor decked an elvis impersonator once?

[hibsboy90]

i knew that, i was only having a laugh :thumbsup:

Edit: im assuming you know garry o connor decked an elvis impersonator once?

I remember now, but it didn't register when i read your post.:dizzy:

[Peevemor]

For years now, most football related violence has been hushed up by the media (probably at the request of the authorities/police). There are still paggers, but we don't hear about them any more. This seems logical to me, as the more publicity this stuff is given, the more 'glamorous' it becomes to some people, thus exacerbating the problem.

Who's to say that a similar policy isn't applied to egg chasing? :dunno: