Israel's Bombardment of Gaza

[Betty Boop]

The collective punishment of the Palestinians by the Israelis, is a disgrace. Nearly 100 dead in three days, including 17 children and 28 women, all in retaliation for the death of 1 Israeli. Also they are under blockade in Gaza penned in with no where to go, no access to supplies etc. I wonder where the Middle East "Peace Envoy" is? Come out, come out, where ever you are Tony Blair! :bitchy: Also the Israeli Defence Minister is warning of a "Holocaust" in Gaza, you couldn't make it up! :bitchy:

[geordie_hibs]

Blair, like the UK political machine as a whole, is in the thrall of Zionist aggression. Israel has to be defended at all times and all costs, like the Us, whatever atrocious outrage the state perpetrates.

[Loobrush]

total ****bags

[BigKev]

Everythings the Jews fault eh?

Away back to bed with Hitler.

[_hucks_]

Everythings the Jews fault eh?

Away back to bed with Hitler.

Sorry, excuse me?!?!

Taking issue with the actions of the Israeli state does NOT equal blaming things on the jews. In fact, im sure many Jewish people would be insulted by the notion that them and the Israeli ruling class are one and the same.

[Pretty Boy]

Everythings the Jews fault eh?

Away back to bed with Hitler.

What a pathetic post. Because i view the indiscriminate killing of innocent men, women and children as wrong i'm a Nazi? I have no time for Hamas or any other Palestinian militant group either. Both these states have extreme leaders, Zionists in Israel and Islamic fundamentalists in Palestine who ignore the fact the citizens of both countries just want to live in peace. The key difference between the 2 situations, and in my view the key one, is that whilst the Palestinian acts are viewed as terrorism because they are indiscriminate, the Israel attacks, which are equally so, are considered fair game because it's state sponsored.

Before spouting off rubbish about Hitler and such like, go away and read up on the formation of Israel and the 1967 war and then come back with a sensible point when you actually understand the situation. You might then realise it's not as simple as 'blaming the Jews' or 'getting in bed with Hitler'. Clown!

[Betty Boop]

Everythings the Jews fault eh?

Away back to bed with Hitler.And there lies the problem! If you say anything against Israel you are some how seen as anti-semetic! :bitchy:

[Loobrush]

And there lies the problem! If you say anything against Israel you are some how seen as anti-semetic! :bitchy:

Israel has hidden behind the holocaust for long enough. :agree:

[Sir David Gray]

Everythings the Jews fault eh?

Away back to bed with Hitler.

Don't want to say too much about your Hitler comment but I totally agree with your sentiments in the first statement. :agree:

Last night we see a Palestinian terrorist indiscriminately killing Israelis just because they're Jewish.

I accept that innocent Palestinians have died as well but that is not a case of Israel killing them JUST because they're Palestinian. Hamas militants hide amongst ordinary people and when Israel targets them, it is unfortunate but also inevitable that the ordinary people will be killed or injured too.

It must be almost impossible for Israel to deal with people whose sole intention is to wipe them off the face of the Earth and who do not recognise their existence.

I don't normally speak about such subjects on here but I felt the need to do so on this occasion. :agree:

[Betty Boop]

Don't want to say too much about your Hitler comment but I totally agree with your sentiments in the first statement. :agree:

Last night we see a Palestinian terrorist indiscriminately killing Israelis just because they're Jewish.

I accept that innocent Palestinians have died as well but that is not a case of Israel killing them JUST because they're Palestinian. Hamas militants hide amongst ordinary people and when Israel targets them, it is unfortunate but also inevitable that the ordinary people will be killed or injured too.

It must be almost impossible for Israel to deal with people whose sole intention is to wipe them off the face of the Earth and who do not recognise their existence.

I don't normally speak about such subjects on here but I felt the need to do so on this occasion. :agree:So when Israel targets militants its inevitable that over 100 Palestinians will be killed including women and children? :confused:

[Loobrush]

Don't want to say too much about your Hitler comment but I totally agree with your sentiments in the first statement. :agree:

Last night we see a Palestinian terrorist indiscriminately killing Israelis just because they're Jewish.

I accept that innocent Palestinians have died as well but that is not a case of Israel killing them JUST because they're Palestinian. Hamas militants hide amongst ordinary people and when Israel targets them, it is unfortunate but also inevitable that the ordinary people will be killed or injured too.

It must be almost impossible for Israel to deal with people whose sole intention is to wipe them off the face of the Earth and who do not recognise their existence.

I don't normally speak about such subjects on here but I felt the need to do so on this occasion. :agree:

From an article by John Pilger:

Under international law an occupied people has the right to use arms against the occupier’s forces. This right is never reported. The Channel 4 reporter referred to an “endless war”, suggesting equivalents. There is no war. There is resistance among the poorest, most vulnerable people on earth to an enduring, illegal occupation imposed by the world’s fourth largest military power, whose weapons of mass destruction range from cluster bombs to thermonuclear devices, bankrolled by the superpower (the USA). In the past six years alone, wrote the historian Ilan Pappé, “Israeli forces have killed more than 4,000 Palestinians, half of them children”.

Read the whole thing here

http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=438

[Sir David Gray]

So when Israel targets militants its inevitable that over 100 Palestinians will be killed including women and children? :confused:

It is when the Hamas militants hide themselves amongst the ordinary people in the towns and villages.

[Sir David Gray]

From an article by John Pilger:

Under international law an occupied people has the right to use arms against the occupier’s forces. This right is never reported. The Channel 4 reporter referred to an “endless war”, suggesting equivalents. There is no war. There is resistance among the poorest, most vulnerable people on earth to an enduring, illegal occupation imposed by the world’s fourth largest military power, whose weapons of mass destruction range from cluster bombs to thermonuclear devices, bankrolled by the superpower (the USA). In the past six years alone, wrote the historian Ilan Pappé, “Israeli forces have killed more than 4,000 Palestinians, half of them children”.

Read the whole thing here

http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=438

I could go a lot deeper into the ins and outs of the whole thing and what it all signifies but most people will just dismiss it as garbage so there's not much point...

[Loobrush]

I could go a lot deeper into the ins and outs of the whole thing and what it all signifies but most people will just dismiss it as garbage so there's not much point...

You probably know more about it than John Pilger so I'm sure you're right.

[Sir David Gray]

You probably know more about it than John Pilger so I'm sure you're right.

I rest my case...

[Pretty Boy]

Don't want to say too much about your Hitler comment but I totally agree with your sentiments in the first statement. :agree:

Last night we see a Palestinian terrorist indiscriminately killing Israelis just because they're Jewish.

I accept that innocent Palestinians have died as well but that is not a case of Israel killing them JUST because they're Palestinian. Hamas militants hide amongst ordinary people and when Israel targets them, it is unfortunate but also inevitable that the ordinary people will be killed or injured too.

It must be almost impossible for Israel to deal with people whose sole intention is to wipe them off the face of the Earth and who do not recognise their existence.

I don't normally speak about such subjects on here but I felt the need to do so on this occasion. :agree:

And i suppose stealing land and violating an international treaty is acceptable behaviour from Israel? The 1967 war saw land taken from Palestine(obviously), Egypt, Syria and elsewhere, these lands are still occupied today. Is it any wonder the Arab peoples are a tiny bit peeved by this? I view all killing of innocents as wrong but when one side is doing it with antique AK 47s and poorly built rockets and the other is one of the most technologically sophisticated armies in the world, do you never get the feeling mistakes should be less common on the Israeli side but appear not to be? I certainly no where my sympathies lie. The holocaust was the single worst atrocity in human history but holocaust or no holocaust Israels behaviour and contempt for international law is just plain wrong.

[Loobrush]

I rest my case...

I've not dismissed anything you say as garbage, cos you haven't said anything to dismiss. All you've done is give off an air of arrogance, as if you know something that the rest of us don't (and you appear to KNOW that it's all fact). That's fair enough if you actually SAY what it is you think. Instead you're just giving it the old nobody-else-understands-so-what's-the-point routine.

Now I'm not saying I know all about it as it's very complex, but from what I have read from people like John Pilger, who has been involved in reporting on the conflict for more than 30 years, and not just what I hear in the news (which is frankly rubbish), Palestinians are well within their rights to defend themselves against Israel.

[Sir David Gray]

I've not dismissed anything you say as garbage, cos you haven't said anything to dismiss. All you've done is give off an air of arrogance, as if you know something that the rest of us don't (and you appear to KNOW that it's all fact). That's fair enough if you actually SAY what it is you think. Instead you're just giving it the old nobody-else-understands-so-what's-the-point routine.

Now I'm not saying I know all about it as it's very complex, but from what I have read from people like John Pilger, who has been involved in reporting on the conflict for more than 30 years, and not just what I hear in the news (which is frankly rubbish), Palestinians are well within their rights to defend themselves against Israel.

I'm not disputing what this guy has said about countries being entitled to defend itself.

I'm coming at it from a totally different angle of WHY this is all happening. It is something that you have to believe in, which is why most people will not go along with what I have heard and believe to be the case about the troubles in the Middle East.

[Sir David Gray]

And i suppose stealing land and violating an international treaty is acceptable behaviour from Israel? The 1967 war saw land taken from Palestine(obviously), Egypt, Syria and elsewhere, these lands are still occupied today. Is it any wonder the Arab peoples are a tiny bit peeved by this? I view all killing of innocents as wrong but when one side is doing it with antique AK 47s and poorly built rockets and the other is one of the most technologically sophisticated armies in the world, do you never get the feeling mistakes should be less common on the Israeli side but appear not to be? I certainly no where my sympathies lie. The holocaust was the single worst atrocity in human history but holocaust or no holocaust Israels behaviour and contempt for international law is just plain wrong.

Again, I would dispute that Israel has "stolen" any land.

[Pretty Boy]

Again, I would dispute that Israel has "stolen" any land.

If you are referrng to biblical significances etc then you seriously need 2 get a grip. If not then you are wrong, the land given to the Israelis in the 1940s was a far smaller ammount than it currently is, this land which was gained in1967 was taken through an armed attack on neighbouring countries, the UN recognises it as 'occupied land' thereby under international law it is 'stolen' land.

Quite frankly unless you are willing to make points rather than just dismissing other peoples then perhaps you should just rest your case now. This is a subject i am more than willing to debate sensibly, however you seem more interested in being seen to have 'secret info' and going against the general feeling rather than actually wishing to engage in seriosu debate.

[Loobrush]

I'm not disputing what this guy has said about countries being entitled to defend itself.

I'm coming at it from a totally different angle of WHY this is all happening. It is something that you have to believe in, which is why most people will not go along with what I have heard and believe to be the case about the troubles in the Middle East.

Well please enlighten us as to why it is all happening! Are we meant to guess? :confused:

At least give a link to an article or website about this mysterious information.

[Sir David Gray]

Well please enlighten us as to why it is all happening! Are we meant to guess? :confused:

At least give a link to an article or website about this mysterious information.

OK, since you've asked I'll tell you what I believe in.

I believe that the land in the Middle East is God's land and that the Jews are God's chosen people.

I also believe that Satan is working on the other side to try to kill off those "chosen people" hence all the fighting and instability in the region at the moment.

I believe that Israel's current backers such as the USA and Britain will eventually turn their backs on them and at that point, things will get even worse than they are already.

This whole conflict, in my opinion, is being fought on a much higher level than just Israelis against Palestinians and there will never be peace in the region, even if at times there appears to be a period of calm.

Since my opinions are all belief based, I do not have any expert journalistic views to fall back on and I do not expect anyone on here to share my views but since you asked me for my views and opinions on the whole subject I thought I would share them to prove that it's not me being arrogant or whatever else.

If you don't believe in anything I have said above then at least please believe me when I say that I do feel sympathy for those on BOTH sides that are innocently killed. But something that I do strongly believe in is that Israel does not deliberately set out to kill innocent Palestinian civilians whereas the Hamas militants quite openly couldn't care less who they kill.

For those reasons, my backing will always be for Israel in this whole conflict.

[Pretty Boy]

OK, since you've asked I'll tell you what I believe in.

I believe that the land in the Middle East is God's land and that the Jews are God's chosen people.

I also believe that Satan is working on the other side to try to kill off those "chosen people" hence all the fighting and instability in the region at the moment.

I believe that Israel's current backers such as the USA and Britain will eventually turn their backs on them and at that point, things will get even worse than they are already.

This whole conflict, in my opinion, is being fought on a much higher level than just Israelis against Palestinians and there will never be peace in the region, even if at times there appears to be a period of calm.

Since my opinions are all belief based, I do not have any expert journalistic views to fall back on and I do not expect anyone on here to share my views but since you asked me for my views and opinions on the whole subject I thought I would share them to prove that it's not me being arrogant or whatever else.

If you don't believe in anything I have said above then at least please believe me when I say that I do feel sympathy for those on BOTH sides that are innocently killed. But something that I do strongly believe in is that Israel does not deliberately set out to kill innocent Palestinian civilians whereas the Hamas militants quite openly couldn't care less who they kill.

For those reasons, my backing will always be for Israel in this whole conflict.

Whilst i respect your right to a belief in God and God's land and so on i have to admit i find it a tad harrowing. Every ono theistic religion claims to be God's chosen people, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The jews have just been claiming it that bit longer. Unfortunately these 3 religions also all have very sacred sights in the city of Jerusalme and throughout the rest of the region, to exclude one group because you believe God chose another is, in my humble opinion, wrong.

As for Hamas intentionally killing Israeli citizens, with this i cannot argue, it is fact. However you argue that Israel doesn't intentionally kill civilians. Does a blockade of essential supplies and monies getting into the West Bankm and Gaza which is slowly starving apopulation to death not counts as intentionally killing civilians? Did the bombing of apartment blocks in Beiruit not intentionally kill civilians? I'm sorry but i can't agree with you here, Israel intentionally kills civilians it just has the backing of the USA, a top army and a great PR team to make it look more 'respectable'.

[Loobrush]

Well I'm not religious in any way and therefore don't believe there is any such thing as God's land and so on, but you're entitled to your views and I respect that different people have different outlooks on things.

I don't think there is any point in getting into a debate about it, as you obviously believe what you say, and I can't say I will ever understand your viewpoint, so we may as well leave it at that. One thing I will say is I disagree strongly with what you said. (but you knew that before you even started anyway!) :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

Whilst i respect your right to a belief in God and God's land and so on i have to admit i find it a tad harrowing. Every ono theistic religion claims to be God's chosen people, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The jews have just been claiming it that bit longer. Unfortunately these 3 religions also all have very sacred sights in the city of Jerusalme and throughout the rest of the region, to exclude one group because you believe God chose another is, in my humble opinion, wrong.

As for Hamas intentionally killing Israeli citizens, with this i cannot argue, it is fact. However you argue that Israel doesn't intentionally kill civilians. Does a blockade of essential supplies and monies getting into the West Bankm and Gaza which is slowly starving apopulation to death not counts as intentionally killing civilians? Did the bombing of apartment blocks in Beiruit not intentionally kill civilians? I'm sorry but i can't agree with you here, Israel intentionally kills civilians it just has the backing of the USA, a top army and a great PR team to make it look more 'respectable'.

I accept that a number of religions have sacred sites in that region, which actually goes some way to explaining my point.

In history and I mean ANCIENT history that land belonged to God as I have already explained. However, throughout the centuries, it has been claimed, bit by bit, by Muslim countries who set up their own sacred buildings and sites and now when there is contention for land, there is a battle going on which we are seeing today.

As i've said, it's not everyone who believes in this stuff, I understand that and anyone is quite within their rights to disagree with what i'm saying. It's purely my belief, that's all.

As for the bit about the blockades and so forth this also explains what I was saying earlier about countries eventually turning their backs on Israel. This sort of action will eventually result in the USA and Britain, both currently staunch allies of Israel, turning their backs on it and as I said in my last post, I believe that action will result in something far worse than what we are seeing just now.

Just a final bit on Hamas, how else should a country (i.e. Israel) respond to a group of people who won't even recognise their existence and whose sole purpose and intention is to wipe Israel off the map?

[Sir David Gray]

Well I'm not religious in any way and therefore don't believe there is any such thing as God's land and so on, but you're entitled to your views and I respect that different people have different outlooks on things.

I don't think there is any point in getting into a debate about it, as you obviously believe what you say, and I can't say I will ever understand your viewpoint, so we may as well leave it at that. One thing I will say is I disagree strongly with what you said. (but you knew that before you even started anyway!) :greengrin

Which is kind of why I didn't want to enter into this whole debate in the first place. :wink:

[Pretty Boy]

I accept that a number of religions have sacred sites in that region, which actually goes some way to explaining my point.

In history and I mean ANCIENT history that land belonged to God as I have already explained. However, throughout the centuries, it has been claimed, bit by bit, by Muslim countries who set up their own sacred buildings and sites and now when there is contention for land, there is a battle going on which we are seeing today.

As i've said, it's not everyone who believes in this stuff, I understand that and anyone is quite within their rights to disagree with what i'm saying. It's purely my belief, that's all.

As for the bit about the blockades and so forth this also explains what I was saying earlier about countries eventually turning their backs on Israel. This sort of action will eventually result in the USA and Britain, both currently staunch allies of Israel, turning their backs on it and as I said in my last post, I believe that action will result in something far worse than what we are seeing just now.

Just a final bit on Hamas, how else should a country (i.e. Israel) respond to a group of people who won't even recognise their existence and whose sole purpose and intention is to wipe Israel off the map?


Fair enough points that i totally disagree with but hey, i'm an atheist, you believe in a higher power so that's not totally surprising. Still think it was only right you shared your views on the subject as you were commenting on points without explaining why. As it turns out you contributed to an interesting debate and i reckon the whole situation in the middle east is one which could be debated to death and still not resolved as there is, of course, the politica argument and then on the other hand the religous one. Interestingly enough the president of the USA believes in your view, somthing i find a little unsettling i have to admit.

[Sir David Gray]

Fair enough points that i totally disagree with but hey, i'm an atheist, you believe in a higher power so that's not totally surprising. Still think it was only right you shared your views on the subject as you were commenting on points without explaining why. As it turns out you contributed to an interesting debate and i reckon the whole situation in the middle east is one which could be debated to death and still not resolved as there is, of course, the politica argument and then on the other hand the religous one. Interestingly enough the president of the USA believes in your view, somthing i find a little unsettling i have to admit.

Fair enough, the only reason I generally don't talk about such things on here is because I accept that most people don't share my views.

However, since I started to contribute to this thread, I accept that it was only right that I actually explain myself which I have now done.

As for the bit i've highlighted at the end, the whole conflict IS unsettling and that is why it is all so significant.

[Betty Boop]

OK, since you've asked I'll tell you what I believe in.

I believe that the land in the Middle East is God's land and that the Jews are God's chosen people.

I also believe that Satan is working on the other side to try to kill off those "chosen people" hence all the fighting and instability in the region at the moment.

I believe that Israel's current backers such as the USA and Britain will eventually turn their backs on them and at that point, things will get even worse than they are already.

This whole conflict, in my opinion, is being fought on a much higher level than just Israelis against Palestinians and there will never be peace in the region, even if at times there appears to be a period of calm.

Since my opinions are all belief based, I do not have any expert journalistic views to fall back on and I do not expect anyone on here to share my views but since you asked me for my views and opinions on the whole subject I thought I would share them to prove that it's not me being arrogant or whatever else.

If you don't believe in anything I have said above then at least please believe me when I say that I do feel sympathy for those on BOTH sides that are innocently killed. But something that I do strongly believe in is that Israel does not deliberately set out to kill innocent Palestinian civilians whereas the Hamas militants quite openly couldn't care less who they kill.

For those reasons, my backing will always be for Israel in this whole conflict.The Jews are "Gods chosen people", what a crock of horse manure! :bitchy:

[kaisersmith]

If God has a "choosen people" then god sir is a cock

[cleanyman]

The Jews are "Gods chosen people", what a crock of horse manure! :bitchy:


He has his views, if you dont agree with him then make a constructive comment.

[Betty Boop]

The atrocities committed in the name of Zionism need to be exposed for what they are. Israel is terrified the Palestinian population within Israel will grow to a point where they become a majority, both figuratively and parliamentarily. It's obviously more complicated, but that's definately part of it. Israel just do what they want- they only care about pursuing their own agendas- until they finally do what is right, any attempt at peace is just a facade.

[LiverpoolHibs]

He has his views, if you dont agree with him then make a constructive comment.
But it's pretty much impossible to argue against, which never bodes well for an argument of any sort. What he says is, by it's very nature, insulated against an opposing argument. Yet it is also patently ridiculous.

[Arch Stanton]

I accept that a number of religions have sacred sites in that region, which actually goes some way to explaining my point.

In history and I mean ANCIENT history that land belonged to God as I have already explained. However, throughout the centuries, it has been claimed, bit by bit, by Muslim countries who set up their own sacred buildings and sites and now when there is contention for land, there is a battle going on which we are seeing today.

As i've said, it's not everyone who believes in this stuff, I understand that and anyone is quite within their rights to disagree with what i'm saying. It's purely my belief, that's all.

As for the bit about the blockades and so forth this also explains what I was saying earlier about countries eventually turning their backs on Israel. This sort of action will eventually result in the USA and Britain, both currently staunch allies of Israel, turning their backs on it and as I said in my last post, I believe that action will result in something far worse than what we are seeing just now.

Just a final bit on Hamas, how else should a country (i.e. Israel) respond to a group of people who won't even recognise their existence and whose sole purpose and intention is to wipe Israel off the map?

I assume by ANCIENT history you mean three and a half thousand years ago when God created the Earth. I am saying that because your other views seem to be lifted straight from the Book of Revelation and I can only assume you think that Genesis is factual too.

On your last point I cannot pretend to have an answer to Israel's, or indeed any country's, exposure to the evils of terrorism. I would take issue with the assertion that there is no other course of action available to Israel - that just isn't true. The fact is Israel is now the only country that thinks a war on terror can by won - the dawning truth is that it is a now a country beyond reason.

[hibsdaft]

i don't really follow palestine/israel news because its a ****ing minefield and totally depressing but i was amazed hearing two things this week,

1 that guy shooting the youths in a school, sick

2 blackouts imposed on Gaza, shutting down electricity even in hospitals for 12 hours a day. also sick.

what a world.

[LiverpoolHibs]

That John Pilger article linked above is (not suprisingly) a fantastic piece. Everyone should read that.

[Pretty Boy]

i don't really follow palestine/israel news because its a ****ing minefield and totally depressing but i was amazed hearing two things this week,

1 that guy shooting the youths in a school, sick

2 blackouts imposed on Gaza, shutting down electricity even in hospitals for 12 hours a day. also sick.

what a world.


Totally agree that both are terrible but what gets to me is that huge column inches are devoted to the shooting in the school and rightly so. Yet almost nothing is said about the blackouts imposed in Gaza especially in hospitals which have probably resulted in more deaths than the gunman opening fire in a school. It was only last year the BBC was fined for it's bias reporting of the situation and misleading the public into believing more Israelis had died than Palestinians yet it appears nothing has changed.

A horrible situation and a complete disregard for human life on both sides. What a waste.:brickwall

[LiverpoolHibs]

Totally agree that both are terrible but what gets to me is that huge column inches are devoted to the shooting in the school and rightly so. Yet almost nothing is said about the blackouts imposed in Gaza especially in hospitals which have probably resulted in more deaths than the gunman opening fire in a school. It was only last year the BBC was fined for it's bias reporting of the situation and misleading the public into believing more Israelis had died than Palestinians yet it appears nothing has changed.

A horrible situation and a complete disregard for human life on both sides. What a waste.:brickwall
Because, in the words of a slightly disreputable character (Galloway), (and I'm paraphrasing) the media and Western governments value the life of an Israeli higher than the life of a Palestinian, whether they know it or not. Sickening.


N.B. In case of any confusion, I am in no way denigrating those killed in the Jerusalem school.

[Expecting Rain]

John Pilger is an activist and has been for decades, in my opinion any article he submits is worth reading, we are momentarily disgusted and disillusioned we then carry on moaning about petty things in life, cynical me is amazed that John is still alive and not been taken out.

[JimBHibees]

I accept that a number of religions have sacred sites in that region, which actually goes some way to explaining my point.

In history and I mean ANCIENT history that land belonged to God as I have already explained. However, throughout the centuries, it has been claimed, bit by bit, by Muslim countries who set up their own sacred buildings and sites and now when there is contention for land, there is a battle going on which we are seeing today.

As i've said, it's not everyone who believes in this stuff, I understand that and anyone is quite within their rights to disagree with what i'm saying. It's purely my belief, that's all.

As for the bit about the blockades and so forth this also explains what I was saying earlier about countries eventually turning their backs on Israel. This sort of action will eventually result in the USA and Britain, both currently staunch allies of Israel, turning their backs on it and as I said in my last post, I believe that action will result in something far worse than what we are seeing just now.

Just a final bit on Hamas, how else should a country (i.e. Israel) respond to a group of people who won't even recognise their existence and whose sole purpose and intention is to wipe Israel off the map?

That has got to be one of the most worrying posts I have ever read on here. Truly breathtaking to be honest. Israel is one of the most vile military dictatorships in the World and has been allowed to commit atrocity after atrocity without serious reproachment by the West. The UK should holds its head in shame however no doubt the 'puppet' Bliar will sort it all out.

Please read informed writers like Pilger who have a far more informed view than your 'Jack and Jill' view of the world.