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16-07-2018 11:37 AM #91
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16-07-2018 11:39 AM #92This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Good one, pal.
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16-07-2018 12:09 PM #93
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I do think, though, that the men's semi finals should have started at 11am on Friday. Good chance that both matches were going to be long. Although I understand that scheduling would all be arranged before the draw was made and you can't just take into account how long matches are going to be based on who is in them. I'd also have had Rafa and Djokovic out earlier on the Saturday.
Also - time to do away with the ongoing matches in 5th sets. If a tie-breaker is fair in any set, it's fair in the deciding one.
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16-07-2018 12:17 PM #94This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
For the record, I wasn't suggesting that the men shouldn't have started earlier on the Saturday. I was suggesting that they could have moved them to Court no. 1. Which was widely poo poo-ed by some on here for two reasons:
1. It would have taken away from the occasion on Centre Court as they might have been playing at the same time (I dispute this, as Centre Court would still be full, Princess Kate or whoever would still have been there, therefore the occasion is not lessened).
2. It wasn't physically possible, as the rules dictate that the match had to finish under the roof. Which wasn't actually the case.
But hey, the players said it was ok, so who am I to have an opinion?
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16-07-2018 12:22 PM #95
Now that they have expressed their opinion which happens to differ from yours you are now wondering if they were being honest, what chance does anyone have against that? I doubt you would've questioned it if they happened to share your point of view. Anyway, its not worth getting your knickers in a twist about.
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16-07-2018 12:28 PM #96
Is it just me or, the odd match notwithstanding (Nadal v Del Potro) was this year’s Wimbledon quite flat (Men’s and Women's)?
While not being an authority or über fan I enjoy watching tennis, particularly the majors, but this year’s tournament really didn’t grip me at all. Maybe am just getting auld and dull(er).
Och well, roll on The US Open...
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16-07-2018 12:36 PM #97
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I do think the match should finish on the court it started on though, roof or nae roof.
If I was involved I would have flirted with pitching the idea of letting things run to Monday. Mental eh... but, you would still fill the 15,000 no problem and could organise the scheduling to conveniently eradicate the world cup final clash .. and probably milk some more money out of the occasion while you're at it.Last edited by WeeRussell; 16-07-2018 at 12:45 PM.
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16-07-2018 12:38 PM #98
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However I enjoyed what I did see as much as any other tournament. The Nadal v Djokovic semi was brilliant, and was really pleased for Kerber (albeit it wasn't the most competitive of finals for either the men or women).
Perhaps you're an Andy Murray fan and that took the shine off it compared to the last few years?
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16-07-2018 12:46 PM #99This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You're right though, when we're all building straw men (either around players being economical with the truth, or citing non-existent rules) then there can never be any certainty. We are, however, all allowed opinions. But seeing as mine is being dismissed as "getting my knickers in a twist", I'll retire back under rock I crawled out from
Have a nice day!
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16-07-2018 12:51 PM #100
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If it wasn't and sees the men's final as the biggest one... she shares the opinion of many, and it's not disappointing if she is being honest.
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16-07-2018 12:52 PM #101This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Last word from me on this, promise....
On Friday when it became apparent that Nadal and Djokovic were going to run into Saturday, I was coming back home from being out with my Mum (I know, I know) and I turned to her and said "what are they going to do about tomorrow?" I genuinely felt it left the organisers with a huge headache, but not once did it occur to me that they might disrupt the women's final. I thought that a 2pm start was a given there, and they would have to get creative to reschedule the men's match. When I realised what they'd done I was honestly shocked, as that eventuality hadn't crossed my mind. So I'm not just constructing something to be outraged by, I'm just very very surprised that this was the decision they came to.
...And I'm done. (Until I feel the need to reply again!)
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16-07-2018 12:54 PM #102This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If it wasn't and sees the men's final as the biggest one... she shares the opinion of many, and it's not disappointing if she is being honest.
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16-07-2018 12:56 PM #103
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16-07-2018 12:56 PM #104
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16-07-2018 12:58 PM #105
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16-07-2018 01:26 PM #107
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16-07-2018 01:57 PM #108
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Not a huge fan of Williams but don't hate her either. There was a time I really couldn't stick her - after her behaviour against Sam Stosur, possibly in US open final (that could be wrong though).Last edited by WeeRussell; 16-07-2018 at 02:00 PM.
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16-07-2018 02:40 PM #109This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As I say, looking forward to the US Open and aye, can't disagree with your comments re Kerber. Ostapenko was another wee ray of light through the (IMO) mediocrity.
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16-07-2018 02:51 PM #110
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Yep - roll on the US.
Agree - a lot to like in the women's game just now, and plenty of players I can take to.
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16-07-2018 06:37 PM #111This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Its not a non-existent rule. If a match begins under the roof, it’s to continue under the roof in order to maintain as consistent a set of conditions as possible. The opposite isn’t true (match begins without roof), because a change (roof being closed) only happens to keep play going rather than a having a rain break.
Because this match had to stop on Friday evening (outwith the control of Wimbledon), the players are given the option of opening the roof for the conclusion of the match. This requires the agreement of both players, so they both must agree to changing the conditions. Djokovic refused to have the roof opened, which meant the match had to be played on centre court, as the only court with a roof.
As I said earlier on the thread, I understand your point, I think Wimbledon were put in a pretty impossible position by the existing rules, and the point in the tournament that it happened. If this had happened a week earlier, a few other matches, possibly men’s or women’s, would have been shuffled around to accommodate a match needing to continue on cerntre court. In fact, I’m not convinced they would have even started that later match (the 2nd semi) at all, if it had been earlier in the tournament, but for the hope that one of Djokovic or Nadal would take a very quick victory and negate any need to disrupt the following days proceedings at all.
i do think calling out sexism is a bit far though, had the normal run of things been the opposite way around (men’s final Saturday, women’s Sunday),I think they would have done exactly the same, had the women’s semi complete on centre court with the roof closed before the men’s final. For the whole tournament (and I expect for most others), players have to wait until earlier matches complete on their court before they can play their match, such as Nadal and Djokovic had to on Friday.
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16-07-2018 09:50 PM #112
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17-07-2018 07:17 AM #113This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-07-2018 07:55 AM #114This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Again, you can take it from the practical "men play 40% more tennis" point of view = unfair on the men. I'd find that hard to disagree with.
But you can also take it from a "big message" point of view, which suggests that women aren't as strong as men, or certainly don't have enough stamina to last as long, therefore devaluing them further. In fact, women (many of them high profile, including Serena) have repeatedly offered to go up to 5 sets in Grand Slams, but have been denied by the tournament organisers.
The fact of the matter is that the 5 set thing was devised a long long time ago, and has, in my opinion, outlived its usefulness. In the modern era, there have been more and more marathon matches, so it's no wonder the likes of Nadal, Murray, Djokovic, Del Potro and even Federer have been out for extended periods. The stress on their bodies to play for 4-5 hours at a time at that level must be ridiculous. My preference would be to see men's matches reduced to 3 sets in all competitions. They could even keep their 'no tie break in the last set' rule without causing too much hassle, as even the longest matches would still run a good 90 minutes - 2 hours shorter.
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17-07-2018 07:59 AM #115This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-07-2018 10:57 AM #116
Don't let your daughter see Andrew Castle's column in today's Metro, she'll be raging! ;-)
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17-07-2018 12:21 PM #117This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-07-2018 12:28 PM #119This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
What was the odious Mr Castle saying anyway? I always considered him slightly above Inverdale in the 'orrible stakes, but maybe I should revise my opinion!
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17-07-2018 01:42 PM #120
Aye, I did miss out a smiley of some sort. It'll be on the website if you can be arsed checking.
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