If a rep did feel that they had based their decision on some mysterious piece of information that was so sensitive it would harm Hibs by discussing publicly then it would be appreciated if they just said that!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think there's two things at stake here - Firstly, the voting by elected supporters' reps for an option that clearly most fans are against and secondly the radio silence regards why they did this? I mean, perhaps neither could make the meeting and it was unanimous vote of those who could attend? We just don't know.
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13-09-2017 07:42 PM #121
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13-09-2017 07:52 PM #122
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That doesn't mean we couldn't have been given some updates along the way though . Equally, and perhaps more importantly, we should expect that they have sought and represented the views of Supporters at the. meetings. It's a key part of their role.
I'm not expecting to agree with all decisions Hibs make - I do expect the fans reps to keep their commitment of regular updates after board meetings and consistent communications etc. This isn't there yet for me
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13-09-2017 07:53 PM #123This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If the 2 reps get an agenda that will be marked confidential how do they accurately canvas the wishes of the fans? A poll on here or a chat with a few people at a game doesn't do that and breaches confidentiality. They also then can't discuss confidential information discussed within that meeting unless given permission to do so. The voting intention of members of the board will also be known and influenced prior to a vote, once the vote takes place and a decision is reached that becomes collective.
I made this point at the time of the elections. I've sat on a couple of boards and I know the kind of communication that fans want, myself included, about every decision, or at least some of them, made by the Hibs board is impossible.
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13-09-2017 08:00 PM #124
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IMO the reps job, and that of the Board, would be much easier if Hibs had, and published, a clear set of values that defined what the club stands for, their principles and ethos that we can all get behind. I started to follow Hibs in the 70s and there is most definitely a set of values which attracts me to the club, the way they got about their business, the way the team plays, the sense of fair play and quality in everything the do (whether it comes off or not). They hold some of the same values as me. But I've never seen it written down or explained.
If this was clearly articulated, folk could perhaps start to understand how decisions are made and fit in with our values - even if they don't agree with them. It's when decisions or actions by the club are at odds with the perception of the clubs values and personality, that folk get confused and brassed off. The independent investigation of the Rangers debacle is a good example.
IMO without that, we'll continue to have disparate views, debate and confusion when it comes to generic issues such as the direction of the game and how we'd like to see the game develop. And the reps will be on a hiding to nothing.
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13-09-2017 08:00 PM #125This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If my wife was always quoting Frank Dougan I'd be raging too.
Sympathies mate.
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13-09-2017 08:03 PM #126This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Given that the reps are meant to be the voice of the supporters, and the overwhelming majority on here (and I suspect the Bounce) wanted the EBT decision examined, the statement that the Board decision was unanimous makes it sound like our views are unrepresented.
I agree that all directors are then bound to support the decision in public whether they voted for it or not.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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13-09-2017 08:07 PM #128
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The Rangers topic is a well known high profile topic . It wasn't a secret it was to be discussed - so there should be active approaches to secure the general views of the supporter base, so that it was properly represented at the meeting - it may not change the decision and I suspect (without knowing) that fans views likely were shared by the reps. The Boards role Is to make what they think is the best decision for Hibs - not a populist position based on fans views . They clearly feel they have (based on their statement)
On the broader point , I feel the fans reps (in general) have not got regular communication right yet - albeit it has been an improvement from Last term - and this is causing frustration...with the Rangers topic being a sensitive one - it called for increased engagement..rather than less fans rep feedback ..
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I don't think you need to continue talking about Frank by saying the "other one." I've met Frank couple of times and he has the clubs best interests at heart and always happy to chat so I am surprised he's not really been on here. Tracey I do know better, and have a lot of time for if I'm honest. I'm just glad I'm not a fan rep that's for sure!
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All of which strengthens my belief the whole idea isn't needed. If the other board members feel the feedback from supporters via fans reps isn't in the best interests of the club then they will simply disregard it.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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https://www.facebook.com/HibernianFo...5148882917504/Last edited by blackpoolhibs; 13-09-2017 at 09:38 PM.
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13-09-2017 09:37 PM #135
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Maybe someone who knows him could maybe help him out if he's struggling with the social media side of things. Face to face he's very easy to speak too and I like him. But if you stand up and make a promise it's best to keep that promise and try communicate with the fans, more so now than ever!
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13-09-2017 09:54 PM #137
Thats the first time ive seen that video. Wasnt the most clever thing to ask Pat. Is that why he took himself out of the vote ?
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13-09-2017 10:36 PM #138
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In the Rangers case, the word transparency comes into place a lot of the time, wouldn't it be great if we could get a simple yes or no from the fans reps if they voted against any further investigation into the whole thing? They could be getting slaughtered having voted with the majority of the support in saying yes to an sfa enquiry. None of us know.
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The whole situation was a bit bizarre. Some people clearly felt because he is who he is that it should have just been an uncontested procession. I was at the event at Sunnyside and it became quickly apparent that Pat was one of 2 or 3 candidates, and a fair few people asking questions as well, who didn't seem to really understand the role and performed poorly as a result.
Situations like the current one are why I was a bit uncomfortable with Pats candidacy. It's bad enough that Frank and Tracey are getting personal grief at the moment, it would be even more shameful if it was being directed at a club legend.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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14-09-2017 05:49 PM #144
I've not read through this whole thread, but surely the question regarding the reps revolves around whether the decision to issue the statement was unnanimous? The reps might well have voted against it, which IMO would have been the right thing to do, whilst still respecting that the majority decision was to issue the statement as it was. If the vote was indeed unnanimous, and the reps voted along with the rest of the board, in my opinion that is not representative of the majority of Hibs fans, and up to an extent raises the question of how relevant them being on the board is in the first place, but that is purely my opinion, and there are other issues where the reps can make a significant input on behalf of the fans. I suppose we'll never know.
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Hi All,
Frank and I unfortunately had to take a step back from social media and the whole situation due to some abuse we were receiving. We understand there are supporters who are angry with the statement and everyone is entitled to their opinions but personal abuse is unacceptable.
Frank and I are happy to speak with anyone prior to the game on Saturday just let us know. Happy also if anyone wants to discuss over the phone. Email us your details and we will get in touch. I find these things are better face to face or by phone as posts on Social Media can often be misconstrued.
What we would like to do is apologise for the silence after we told you a statement would be out and it wasn't. The delays were quite simply as stated in Monday's statement. We hadn't been gagged as some have suggested but didn't have anything concrete to tell you. Error of judgement on our part.
If you want to discuss any other matters please do not hesitate to contact us. Our silence we feel has certainly undone a lot of good work we have put in with communication and we will work hard to restore that.
For those who have questioned how Frank and I work - Frank and I speak several times a day and work as a team. Frank receives many calls from supporters, face to face and emails whereas because I work online I can deal with all the online queries as well as emails and face to face. This works well for us and think we compliment each other. We are always well aware of what the other is doing and dealing with.
Our emails again are:
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People resorting to personally abusing others because of a statement they didn't like the content of is actually mental.
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