Left wing/right wing support bases.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Hibs have Brian Monteith amongst their supporters.

Also remember Tory donor David Rowland, who the Daily Mail described as a Tax exile, 'shady financier'... and a political liability!

That's a Hearts man if ever I heard one . Perhaps he got lost trying to find Gorgie.

[hibsbollah]

I've never been to a serie a game, sadly, I'm basing this on two books what I have read (the rough guide to European football and the dark heart of Italy in particular is a great read) but I get the impression the old divide between right and left ultras is disappearing, as most ultra groups are now right wing. Roma is a good example, who now have a fascist following and also Fiorentina who managed to combine the most violent nasty support with a strongly leftish politics in the old days. Milan were also known as a left wing club, but Berlusconi changed all that. Also confusing the story is most big clubs have at least two ultra groups, so you might have had one curva with a right wing following and another with a left wing following!

Bologna were always the communist club. Lazio the choice of the fascists (last week's events at Lazio a reminder that things are only getting worse). I bet renato will know a fair bit as well.

[18Hibee75]

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Beitar Jerusalem, a far right Israeli club, supported by Benjamin Netanyahu - there's a surprise. Fans went berserk when they signed a couple of Israeli Arabs.

The most fascist club in the world.

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I've never been to a serie a game, sadly, I'm basing this on two books what I have read (the rough guide to European football and the dark heart of Italy in particular is a great read) but I get the impression the old divide between right and left ultras is disappearing, as most ultra groups are now right wing. Roma is a good example, who now have a fascist following and also Fiorentina who managed to combine the most violent nasty support with a strongly leftish politics in the old days. Milan were also known as a left wing club, but Berlusconi changed all that. Also confusing the story is most big clubs have at least two ultra groups, so you might have had one curva with a right wing following and another with a left wing following!

Bologna were always the communist club. Lazio the choice of the fascists (last week's events at Lazio a reminder that things are only getting worse). I bet renato will know a fair bit as well.

Pretty sure Livorno are/were the main communist club. You know me though, that's probably wrong.

[hibsbollah]

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Pretty sure Livorno are/were the main communist club. You know me though, that's probably wrong.

True although they're just a wee team.

[18Hibee75]

What are Napoli? Always thought they were right wing?

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[The Rebel]

It's either just me or it shows how little focus your average fan at a club like Hibs puts on political allegiance within the wider support base, but my immediate thought was that this thread was going to get me in the mood for the game today with thoughts of Boyle on the right wing and Barker on the left.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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The most fascist club in the world.

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And proud of it. They have a banner which says "we are the most racist fans in the world". That's actually true! Nae wonder Netanyahu feels so at home.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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Aren't the political parties of Catalan independence left of centre? Barcelona as a city has a strong artistic and bohemian history which goes against the grain of the more socially conservative and Catholic mainstream.

I dont know enough about that, amd i agree about barcelona but my perception of it was always a bit more bourgeois bohemian than earthy working class - but its jusy my perceptiob.

I believe catalans have a bit of a reputation forbeing socially conservative, industrious and right with money - a bit like scots!

As someone posted above, i think their hooligans (the boixos nois?) were a bit nationalist too?

[hibsbollah]

PSG right wing. Big skinhead element.

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Fair enough but does being nationalist necessarily mean being right wing? Are the SNP or Plaid Cymru right wing?

I think it highlights the limtations of the right/left axis. Its too simplistic.

The SNP were a traditionally rural, small c conservative bunch of nationalists - in crude terms, fairly 'right'. They have morphed into a more centrist bunch.

However many traditiobal left wing types would say nationalism is not socialist.

And of course, most right wing types are from poor backgrounds.

Its one of the reasons its such a fascinating subjext, its so multi-layered.

What is undeniably true is people that say football amd politics dont mix are just plain wrong.

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And proud of it. They have a banner which says "we are the most racist fans in the world". That's actually true! Nae wonder Netanyahu feels so at home.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/vid...m-israel-video
This video is disgusting. The way they treat the two Muslims players at training and leave the stadium because one of them scored is surely something that can't go unpunished.

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It's either just me or it shows how little focus your average fan at a club like Hibs puts on political allegiance within the wider support base, but my immediate thought was that this thread was going to get me in the mood for the game today with thoughts of Boyle on the right wing and Barker on the left.

It's the most polarised the Hibs have been since we had Michael O'Neill on the left wing and Kevin McAllister on the right.

I would consider Hibs to be non-political, and that is one of the things I love most about them.

I know for a fact I as a Yes voter in the Independence referendum disagreed with most of the people I go to matches with. It doesn't stop us getting on, and it doesn't get in the way of us supporting our team.

My political I would describe as liberal, a mixture of mainly left but a few right wing beliefs that cancel out somewhere in the middle. There probably isn't anyone alive who shares my exact set of beliefs and politics always seems to me to be "best fit" and tbh it can go almost any way.

I don't like far right nutters mind.

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https://www.theguardian.com/news/vid...m-israel-video
This video is disgusting. The way they treat the two Muslims players at training and leave the stadium because one of them scored is surely something that can't go unpunished.

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Storyville did a brilliant documentary on it on BBC4 - i think its still in IPlayer if folk want to catch it.

There was also a good artixle in the Blizzard about it - one od the ringleaders is now a reformed character and has been shunned by his former comrades.

[wpj]

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Vfl Bochum definitely have a significant right wing presence in their support.

Was at Duisburg train station when Bochum fans turned up for the fixture. Not sure of the politics but it was a mad fight. The police watched then picked up the pieces. I followed Fortuna Düsseldorf who are quite an alternative bunch with close ties to local punk bands and squats in the city, very anti right wing.

[Not In The Know]

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What best describes Hibs? ....... Bohemian?

Used to be called the team of poets.

[Mixu62]

Read a good book called Us v Them about the fiercest derbies around the world. Think was the Prague one that was one of the most politically divided.

[nickwhibs]

As others have pointed out, Italian football and politics is a strange one. Clubs often have both left and right wing factions in their ultras groups - with the obvious exceptions. I have an Italian friend who is a big Lazio fan but is pretty left wing in his politics - he obviously hates the right wing element the ultras have there. Palermo are another with a predominantly right wing following. Other more left wing clubs as well as the likes of Livorno and Bologna are Napoli and Genoa. Interestingly Sampdoria ultras think of themselves as apolitical. They actually have a banner translating as ultras without politics, which I think is pretty cool. The rivalry between Genoa and Samp is purely football-related.

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https://www.theguardian.com/news/vid...m-israel-video
This video is disgusting. The way they treat the two Muslims players at training and leave the stadium because one of them scored is surely something that can't go unpunished.

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Disturbing. When a race that were victims of one of the most evil acts in history become the perpetrators then history will repeat itself.

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PSG right wing. Big skinhead element.

That’s another generalisation, I know plenty on skinheads and they’re all anti racist and more left leaning !

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Hibs have Brian Monteith amongst their supporters.

Also remember Tory donor David Rowland, who the Daily Mail described as a Tax exile, 'shady financier'... and a political liability!

Quite sure Hibs have a decent few Tory minded supporters as any club will, though they will be pretty heavily outnumbered I would imagine ... Leith and North Edinburgh where we draw most of our support from tends to vote for left of centre parties in elections and that has to reflect the attitudes of our support in general.
Certainly our celebrity fan base tends to reflect a nationalist and or left wing bent ... I give you Craig and Charlie Reid, Irvin Welsh, Kezia Dugdale, Iain Gray and the magnificent late Margo McDonald ... none of whom could be described as right wingers

As for David Rowland ...... He can be cited in a discussion on what the Hibs as a club or a support are like the way Harold Shipman could be used to judge the average GP's attitude towards their patients. In fact I think you have to qualify as a human being in order to be a Hibby and I doubt David Rowland makes the cut.

[Mr Grieves]

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Partizan Belgrade and Red Star Belgrade have an interesting political history. I think there's a few teams from the former Yugoslavia that have either nationalist or federalist ultra groups.

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Hearts fans = Nonce wing

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Partizan Belgrade and Red Star Belgrade have an interesting political history. I think there's a few teams from the former Yugoslavia that have either nationalist or federalist ultra groups.

The Balkans/former Yugoslavia is a discussion I'm not getting into

[green&left]

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PSG right wing. Big skinhead element.

PSG were mixed. The kop of boulogne generally housed the right-wing leaning fans. The opposite end the Auteuil housed the Tigris Mystic group and made up of north african and arab immigrants and left leaning PSG fans. Wasn't uncommon for them to fight eachother and have separate segregated sections at away matches. Pretty sure there was a death (stabbing i think) between PSG fans fighting PSG fans and both ends got closed down and all groups banned. After 6 years a new Ultras group was allowed back in the terraces called Collectif Ultras.

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I’ve been to a couple of games on the right wing supporters bus. Used to be a great wee boozer that

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I’ve been to a couple of games on the right wing supporters bus. Used to be a great wee boozer that

Facist

Our paths may well have crossed as we used the pub and the bus occasionally in the 70's and early 80's.

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Facist

Our paths may well have crossed as we used the pub and the bus occasionally in the 70's and early 80's.

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Possibly mate, but I would’ve been a young boy then

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Possibly mate, but I would’ve been a young boy then

We all were!

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We all were!

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Some of us have never grown up