Here's the highlights. Do Hibs look like a team on a downward spiral?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/14609572.stm
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22-08-2011 08:46 AM #1
The Result Was Awful, How Does The Performance Look?
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22-08-2011 08:53 AM #2
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I'm afraid speedway the highlights didn't show how comfortable saints were in both halves retaining possession and being slick in their passing. Fair enough they didn't carve out many chances, but as they proved, they were clinical.
I was impressed with them, but our passing and general play was awful. The worry was that heads went down after the equaliser. Free fall no, but very much off form and lacking in fight and confidence yes in my opinion.
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22-08-2011 08:55 AM #3
No disrespect but I have no interest in the highlights again...
The first half was no better than ok. At home v St Mirren and as a reaction to a hammering v Killie it was disappointing.
The second half 'reaction' to the first half was what gives me greatest concern. A pathetic Wotherspoon effort was the best we could muster....
On the subject of highlights was it just me after watching 'Sportscene' and 'Match of the day 2' who concluded that we appeared more pedestrian and devoid of energy than any other team?
Not been highlighted anywhere else I don't think but for me St Mirren were by far the fitter side on Saturday.
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22-08-2011 09:11 AM #4
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even the poor(ish) Hibs teams from the past would have been camped inside the St Mirren box for the last half hour. We never seemed to have any sustained possesion or pressure. Having missd the Kilmarnock game it is difficult to say whether the performance was an improvement
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22-08-2011 09:53 AM #5
I wish someone could explain Hibs' tactics to me. As far as I could see, outside of a good spell by Ivan in which time he laid on the goal, it seemed to amount largely to a big boot up towards G'OC from the GK.
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22-08-2011 10:02 AM #6This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Because of that, the ball normally gets passed along the back 4, sometimes making it into Murray or Osbourne, but the lack of movement and only having 1 up top normally means its played back to either Stack or the pair in the middle of the defence to hit long towards O'Conner.
St Mirren a team put together on a fraction of ours,managed to get a team together that are comfortable on the ball, and did not mind passing it around.
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22-08-2011 10:06 AM #7
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22-08-2011 10:26 AM #8
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The harsh reality suggests that Hibs are probably the worst team in the league at the moment, the players need to be reminded why they have reached the level of becoming professionals, with that comes responsibilty, effort for 90 minutes is the basic requirement, they need to start believing in themselves and what better place to start than Tynecastle, the level of performance is not as important as a restoration of pride which can be achieved with the team collectively working their socks off, we can`t rely on O`Connor to keep scoring goals out of nothing, individuals have to focus on their strengths and acknowledge that they will have weaknesses, the mindset can be changed, we have to be prepared when we cross the white line, training all week can only take you so far, Hibs need to be focused and not distracted by a hostile crowd or results that have gone against them up till now.
The scoreline and set backs can`t be seen as an excuse to down tools, IF we were to lose the derby at least let us be disciplined and concentrated for the entirety of the match, who knows we might even realise that our opponents are not that good and that a victory can be achieved.
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22-08-2011 10:43 AM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
That tells you all you need to know about going to Hibs games at the moment.
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22-08-2011 10:46 AM #10This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-08-2011 10:56 AM #11
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22-08-2011 10:57 AM #12
Interesting the two best passes of the game were by thornhill and spoony, who were otherwise woeful.The first 40 minutes we were comfortable and i think played quite well, albeit in a conservative formation. Osborne linked things well. From the moment they scored the heads went down, we were hopeless and it was clearly psychological, we never thought we could turn it round. Negativity breeds negativity and it was there for all to see.The same thing happened v celtc, a decent first half performance, a defensive/keeper howler and from then on nothing. Which tells me its not the quality of player but the state of their heids.
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22-08-2011 11:00 AM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Prior to that, it was probably St. Mirren at ER when the last minute own goal won it for us. That was January 2010.
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22-08-2011 11:06 AM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-08-2011 11:11 AM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
9 points in a week. Seems like a lifetime ago.
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22-08-2011 11:17 AM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It was often said we were lucky to win some of those games, even when that was complete bull. Well i'd take that now, any win lucky or not.
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22-08-2011 12:07 PM #18
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22-08-2011 01:08 PM #20
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Watching those highlights pretty much confirmed what I thought at the time...
1) St Mirren's 1st goal should NOT have stood - Booth is clearly fouled, barged over in possession as he was with a shoulder into his back - how the commentator can call that a Booth error is completely beyond me.
2) Up to that point Hibs were the dominant team
3) St Mirren's 2nd was down to Palsson's error - he had time to clear it and dawdled on the ball allowing their winger to rob him.
4) Considering the referee's woeful blunder in allowing Saint's 1st it should really have been a draw - all in all still not good enough at home to St Mirren.
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22-08-2011 01:19 PM #21
Having read some of the comments on this thread I decided to put watch the highlights to see if my judgement was clouded by disappointment after the game - but I wrote this at 7pm on Saturday night and wouldn't change a word: -
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22-08-2011 01:47 PM #23This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Re: the highlights, always bear in mind that a carefully constructed Youtube video made Zarabi look like the Algerian Roberto Carlos.
It sounds like we were rank, and the gaping holes in the home stands, not to mention our defence, would indicate that we were.
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Maybe he is clutching at straws with his conclusion but I felt the same about the first goal. I was in the West Stand Lower at the same end of the ground and had a very clear view of the incident. Booth maybe could have done better but it really should have been a foul, as he was clearly barged over by the St Mirren player.
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22-08-2011 02:38 PM #26This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Yes it was a poor performance, but if that goal doesn't stand the end result may have been different.
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22-08-2011 04:24 PM #27
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There's no leadership on the field and precious little from the touchline.After the first goal lost Murray should have gone up to Booth and put his arm round him so that the crowd could see it and said something like-"OK it's a mistake-get over it-you're a good player-go and show it"-instead zilch.Similarly with Paalsson.In the rugby match when Italy got to within 1 point of Scotland the captain got the team together and said we're better than them let's go -and they did.
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22-08-2011 04:37 PM #28
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He is a so called versatile player, who is physically fit and has pace. He has also had decent coaching. For me he looked so disinterested and heartless it had my blood boiling. That for me is when your 'captains' should be right in their face and giving them it tight. Booth up to his mistake had been composed, good on the ball and got himself involved up and down the left flank.
Every footballer has had to bite the bullet and play out of position to help the team - they may not like the position, but you put your whole efforts into it and give it your all. I honestly think VP hasn't been giving 100%........really sad to say it, but true IMHO.
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22-08-2011 04:54 PM #29
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He showed an incredible range of passing, outside of the foot, short stuff, cross field passes. as well as going into several brilliant tackles.
I thought we'd signed a guy who could play like Franck Sauzee.
Alas, he either had the game of his life and over produced spectacularly or he has been somehow coached to play completely differently from his natural game.
Even when playing in midfield he seems to think that after that game he can stroll through games here, so he literally tries strolling.
A huge disappointment so far.
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22-08-2011 05:02 PM #30
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He looked very composed in the 2-2 derby, however Hearts were a man down and there was acres of space to play. His range of passing is good, and he has almost Bamba-esque athleticism when he can be jiggered closing a man down. Just not often enough, he switches off too easily, head goes down, and he is one of those 'I'm too good for this' type players............that's when you need a Roy Keane or Neil Lennon, folk who have won things and actually achieved, to get torn into him. He's a very young boy who to me thinks he has made it. That needs challenged IMO.
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