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Thread: England Semi
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12-07-2018 07:21 AM #302
Hi, can anyone advise why sky aren't showing the English reaction to the Croatian equaliser and winner? And where is Ian Wright and the rests reaction to the two goals?
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12-07-2018 07:33 AM #303
https://www.theguardian.com/football...nd-luka-modric
Interesting piece about the Croatian perspective. Seems the English media’s sense of entitlement came back to bite.....
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12-07-2018 07:34 AM #304This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-07-2018 08:26 AM #305This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They're one or two top class players and a bunch more experience away from being genuine contenders and that sort of thing isn't something you can go out and buy, unlike club football. The midfield just lacks that bit of guile. Next time round many other nations will have improved too though so it's not going to get any easier for them. I would have been relaxed about them winning it so worry wasn't really part of the equation for me.
Germany won't be that bad again for a long time. Italy's new manager and their younger prospects will qualify and will be contenders. Don't know enough about Holland to say whether they are on an upward path. Argentina on the other hand I can only see weakening for a while. Brazil need a long hard look at where playing in the European style is getting them. I just don't understand what is going on with Spain, I'm not sure they do either.
It's been interesting to see the sides with superstars not really punching their weight properly - Neymar/Brazil, Ronaldo/Portugal, Messi/Argentina. I almost got the impression that they would have been stronger without them because it would have forced them to play as whole teams rather than superstar plus ten.
Unfortunately our biggest challenge is likely to be picking another country to support when we don't make it - again. Can we really be absent from the World Cup finals for what will be almost a quarter of a century?
Over to Alex McLeish...
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12-07-2018 08:46 AM #306This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They have all the answers about playing youngsters, yet when we do play them and lose its the managers tactics.
There's a lot more wrong than the players and managers with Scotland, the way the whole game is set up in the country, is not for the benefit of our national team, its for the benefit of two teams, and the lackeys who are in charge.
Supporting your national team should be the default position of every Scottish football fan, when they cant do that, and they take great delight when we lose, its a bloody disgrace and they get the team they deserve.
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12-07-2018 09:01 AM #307This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think it's a coping strategy for folk who don't like being permanently disappointed.
If Scotland do qualify for the Euros or the next WC, people will get behind the team and be excited at our prospects.
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12-07-2018 09:08 AM #308This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
When we do win, its not enough, we should be winning against (insert team here) They actually want us to lose, so they can tell us how bad we are.
As i said earlier, your default position as a football fan who's Scottish should be to get behind them.
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12-07-2018 09:09 AM #309This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Unfortunately, England's expectations will have risen markedly and unless they sort out their midfield, more disappointment will be in its way for their fans.
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12-07-2018 09:19 AM #310This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I agree with your last paragraph although I can understand people losing interest in the national team when performances and results are regularly poor and disappointing.
We continue to live in hope though.
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12-07-2018 09:19 AM #311
They had a fortunate draw and an unbelievable chance to do it, and they blew it. Shame.
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12-07-2018 09:25 AM #312This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results = failure. Repeatedly.
Something stinks here though. We managed to qualify from '74 through to '90 continuously and there's no way Scottish Football wasn't dominated by, and run in the interests of, the Ugly Sisters then. The SFA would have been even less transparent, even more backward and even more in thrall to the Uglies in that period. So other much wider factors have to be at play too.
I wasn't wild about Craig Brown but at least he got us to the Euros and a World Cup (although largely I would argue on the back of the legacy left by Andy Roxburgh's tenure as manager). From then onward the list of managers has been largely a dirge list of the unadventurous and the steady-as-she-goes-stick-with-the-players-I-know types: Vogts, Burns, Smith, McLeish, Burley, Levein, Stark, Strachan, Mackay and now McLeish again.
Interestingly McLeish has the highest all time win percentage of any Scotland manager (aside from one game wonders like Stark) from his previous tenure - 7 wins from 10. So maybe McLeish will be the answer.
Can't agree with your last sentence. I don't think fans get the team they deserve, I think they're driven to indifference by the teams they are given. Crowds have a role to play in international fixtures, no doubt about that, but by the time the day of any individual game has arrived 90% of what will affect the result has already taken place - squad selection, training, training facilities, psychology, tactics, fitness, leadership, team selection, team formation, choice of captain, media treatment etc. The fans are the very last people in a long chain who should carry any responsibility.
Failing to qualify for a World Cup Finals for 20 years means we need to be doing something or somethings differently. The real question for me is - what has changed since that '74 to '90 period?
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12-07-2018 09:34 AM #313This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-07-2018 09:34 AM #314
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Yep and I’m pretty sure every team they played (with exception of Belgium who won) are ranked below them.
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12-07-2018 09:35 AM #316
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12-07-2018 10:15 AM #317This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Most if not all of the players from 74-90 would have started playing football on the street. That doesn't happen any more and the facilities to get swathes of youngsters playing have yet to be built. Look to Iceland where they had a plan, build facilities and train coaches, its not rocket science, just science. The SFA just don't seem interested enough in modernising development and would rather stumble along with a culture that just doesn't hack it in the modern age.
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12-07-2018 10:36 AM #318This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Fantastic post.
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12-07-2018 11:00 AM #319This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
absolutely 110%
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12-07-2018 11:18 AM #321This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-07-2018 11:18 AM #322This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Try telling people from other parts of the world that some people that are born and raised in Scotland don't support Scotland. It's very difficult to explain.
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12-07-2018 11:50 AM #324
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12-07-2018 12:07 PM #325This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The problem lies with the lack of any foresight, plan or investment in turning hundreds of kids playing football into thousands.
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12-07-2018 12:14 PM #326This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-07-2018 01:09 PM #327This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It was a Golden Age for Scottish football - An era now long gone and never to be repeated.
I said in another thread that similar sized small footballing nations have since caught up and over taken us - thus we now jostle with dozens of other also-rans in the footballing pecking order.
We punched above our size for decades, and those of us who were around will never forget The World Cup of 1974 - going out of the tournament undefeated and drawing with the then World Champions, Brazil.
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12-07-2018 06:05 PM #330
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