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06-06-2018 11:34 AM #91
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06-06-2018 11:39 AM #92
I think there is currently a movie being made about JC and i cant wait to see it.
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06-06-2018 12:11 PM #94This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
OK, and I would encourage you to read what I actually wrote in my comment. I said nothing disparaging whatsoever about Connolly or anything he stood for.
I made the point that I'd rather we recognized those who made a major contribution to Hibs, for football reasons, rather than get involved in the divisive politics of Ireland and leave that to the fans of Rangers and Celtc.
I'm sorry if you're so small minded that you can't accept other people's views but that's mine, whether you like it or not.
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06-06-2018 12:17 PM #95This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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06-06-2018 12:21 PM #96
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Connolly was an internationalist who wished to spread socialism to the entire world. He specifically said that Irish independence, achieved without the establishment of a socialist republic, would merely be transferring the 'ownership' of the workers from one set of landlords to another. Drop what you've been told about Connolly, drop the knee-jerking, and read a book.
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06-06-2018 12:47 PM #97This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Reading the history of what happened, that was another monumental blunder by the British.
In killing him and his comrades they turned them into martyrs.
Connolly was dying and would have been dead from his wounds in a day or so. The fact that these idiots had to prop him up in a chair to then shoot him shows how stupid they actually were.
Then again we should not be surprised at British stupidity as they were about to send thousands of working class Scots to their deaths at the Somme that very same year.
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06-06-2018 12:52 PM #98
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Absolutely right - something that Connolly fought against with his whole being.
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06-06-2018 12:55 PM #99This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This is the whole point. You have one view of Connolly, it's clearly important to you, to the extant that you're happy to insult fellow Hibs fans who don't share it.
The fact is that your views on the political figure that is James Connolly are your views and your opinions, you're 100% entitled to them, many Hibs fans will share some or all of them, but they're just your views. Many other Hibs fans will disagree - which shouldnt ever prevent them being welcome at Easter Road.
There is no such thing as historical fact. What if someone comes on here and questions Connolly's views on mass democtacy? The morality of launching a violent revolution when he did not enjoy the popular support of the Irish people? His views on the tens of thousands of Irishmen who fought for the British army in the Great war?
What if they recommended Sean O’Callaghan’s James Connolly: My Search for the Man, the Myth and His Legacy which links Connolly with fanaticism, hatred and "lust for revenge".
You don't see how any of that could be divisive? Centuries old Irish politics have done enough to damage football in this country without dragging us into it.
Ps for the avoidance of doubt i am not claiming to support any of the views above. I'm not interested enough in Irish politics to really care. But plenty of other people do support them and their historical and political views are just as valid as yours within the contect of a football stadium.
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06-06-2018 01:03 PM #100
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thanks,is there a kindle edition?
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06-06-2018 01:05 PM #101This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Along with thousands of other working class people from all over Britain.
This thread is screaming for the Holy Ground.
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06-06-2018 01:08 PM #102
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06-06-2018 01:08 PM #103This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
http://www.jamesconnollysociety.com/
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06-06-2018 01:15 PM #104
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06-06-2018 01:26 PM #105This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As for naming a stand after Connolly, that will rightly never happen. He may be an important figure to some people but not nearly enough.
There aren’t that many socialists into Irish republicanism that support Hibs!
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06-06-2018 01:32 PM #106This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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06-06-2018 01:42 PM #107This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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06-06-2018 01:51 PM #108This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If you don't want to see it that's fine. But yiur hero isn't everyone's hero. If the Connolly society (or the Margaret Thatcher society come to that) want to build a football stadium and name a stand after him (or her) then brilliant.
But not at Easter Road where political opinions should be irrelevant.
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06-06-2018 02:32 PM #109
Ingolstadt Harry, you are clearly far more interested in politics than football.
You joined this site in 2012 and your 31 posts, to date, began with a number of posts asking for a ticket and transport for the 2012 cup final. Fair enough.
You didn't post again until 2017 when you popped up on 2 Israel related posts where you told folk how ignorant they were to hold their views.
You pop up next on a Rangers v Hibs match thread probably looking for a stream (i haven't checked)
This week you pop up to tell us about James Connolly and once again tell those who don't hold your views that they are ignorant.
So in 5 years of being a member of this site you have not joined in any Hibs football related thread other than to try to get a ticket, transport or a stream.
Please go and play politics somewhere else and leave us simple folks to chat and worry about Hibs in the 21st century.
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06-06-2018 02:52 PM #110
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06-06-2018 02:54 PM #111
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06-06-2018 03:06 PM #113This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Kilmainhim is an interesting and very eerie visit. I haven't been in nearly 30 years but it is a desperate surrounding to imagine.
Binding a man to a chair in order to shoot him, a man who couldn't stand unsupported, broken at the feet with no medical treatment, sums up more than the stupidity of our of our nation. It speaks volumes of our absolute cowardice.
And for what it's worth, I think the stand naming suggestion was probably tongue-in-cheek. However, I'd rename the Cowgate instead. A statue is probably the very least that Edinburgh should be considering.
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06-06-2018 03:15 PM #114This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Take my word for it .... Hibs being seen as getting involved in religion, sectarianism and being painted a 'mini Celtic' would be exactly what would happen and no matter how wrong such accusations would be they would be inevitable and even if just some of the mud stuck it would damage our club .... in view of that no matter how noble it would be to ignore the nay sayers and do it anyway its something anybody with the good of Hibernian football club at heart just cant want the club to get involved in.
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06-06-2018 03:41 PM #115
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thanks
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06-06-2018 03:52 PM #116This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In fact I quite clearly said in my final sentence was that I wouldn't want to see a stand named after him which had been suggested by some posters. What I did say was that as a son of the Coogate and a Hibs fan it was quite fitting that his anniversary be acknowledged on dot net. That is a totally different thing from what you are implying I said !
i have absolutely no interest in Hibernian FC acknowledging James Connolly in any way, shape or form but I do think that he deserves to be commemorated by the City of Edinburgh to a far greater degree than he has been. Unfortunately the default position of so many when Connolly is mentioned is the stereotyped nonsense that some on here have been guilty of and so its highly unlikely to happen.
I hope this is clear enough for you to understand !
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06-06-2018 04:10 PM #117
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I am generally a reader rather than a writer and am grateful (as a Hibby living abroad) to have been generously helped by Edinburgh-based fellow-members who have neither questioned my loyalty to the club nor trawled through my posts before offering their assisstance. Even though I don't live in Scotland, I have as much right as you to express my political opinions, ask about streams, enquire about tickets or anything else which is within the rules set by the administrators of this site. So don't try to tell me where to go or whom to leave alone, son.
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06-06-2018 04:28 PM #118This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Irelands struggle for independence has NEVER been linked to Catholicism. Prominent Protestants have featured and played most important roles throughout. In fact the RC church was often at odds and in dispute with physical force Republicans.
Prominent Protestants fighting for Ireland against Britain included, Theobald Wolfe-Tone , Robert Emmet , Bulmer Hobson , Countess Markievicz , Jack White ( Deputy to Connolly in the Irish citizen Army ) , Roger Casement ( executed 1916 ) , Robert erskine Childers , Robert Barton , Ernest Blythe , Sam Maguire ( the GAA play each year for the Sam Maguire cup ) , Douglas Hyde ( first president of the Irish Republic ) .....even up to the more recent conflict , Protestants killed fighting on the Irish Republican side include David Russell , John Turnley , Ronnie Bunting , Noel Lyttle and Tom Berry.
Highlighting this fact doesn't fit in with the " sectarian narrative " we are fed by our media.
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06-06-2018 04:30 PM #119
This thread has plenty of praise for Connolly's admirable commitment to socialism and Irish independence but no football discussion.
So at what point will the admins actually move it to the Holy Ground as a number of posters (including myself and several who have praised Connolly) have requested? Or answer those requests with an explanation of why it is still here?Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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06-06-2018 04:34 PM #120This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Well said that man. I've just logged on and I'm disappointed that this particular thread hasn't been sent to the political forum where it certainly belongs.
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