Kazahkstan vs Scotland (Match Updates)

[Hibernia&Alba]

I would put yesterday on a par with Costa Rica as the worst result ever. We had a much better team back then. The draw against the Faroe Islands is up there too.

[number9dream]

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Who cried out of this Scotland squad? Can someone produce a list along with their excuses?

Ryan Fraser & Callum Paterson - in the squad but excused from playing on plastic pitch
Andrew Robertson, Barry Bannan, Charlie Mulgrew & Jordan Archer - picked then withdrew (Robertson aiming to join up for Sunday's game)
Kieran Tierney - travelled but not fit to play - doubt for Sunday
Steven Fletcher - playing regularly and scoring for Sheff Wed but club wanted him excused on medical grounds
Steven Naismith, Ryan Christie & Craig Gordon - injured, Leigh Griffiths still on his break
Tom Cairney, Matt Ritchie, Robert Snodgrass - all apparently not interested. James McArthur packed it in
Allan McGregor - retired from internationals

[Hibernia&Alba]

Everyone having a right laugh at our expense; can't say I blame them.

"Brexit is taking years; Scexit took nine minutes".

[LancsHibs]

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Ryan Fraser & Callum Paterson - in the squad but excused from playing on plastic pitch
Andrew Robertson, Barry Bannan, Charlie Mulgrew & Jordan Archer - picked then withdrew (Robertson aiming to join up for Sunday's game)
Kieran Tierney - travelled but not fit to play - doubt for Sunday
Steven Fletcher - playing regularly and scoring for Sheff Wed but club wanted him excused on medical grounds
Steven Naismith, Ryan Christie & Craig Gordon - injured, Leigh Griffiths still on his break
Tom Cairney, Matt Ritchie, Robert Snodgrass - all apparently not interested. James McArthur packed it in
Allan McGregor - retired from internationals

Thanks, that is a sorry list. We are capable of putting out a much better team then that played yesterday! I appreciate the manner in which we played may not have changed or the result!
Players being excused from playing on a plastic pitch, WTF is that all about?? And those players supposedly not interested, it would be interesting to hear their reasons why

[MWHIBBIES]

Really don't understand why the captain of Aberdeen getting picked for Scotland is surprising? He's always their best player against us. He had a nightmare, it happens.

The idea was actually fine, Shinnies execution was just rubbish. He's not suddenly hopeless.

[B.H.F.C]

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Ryan Fraser & Callum Paterson - in the squad but excused from playing on plastic pitch
Andrew Robertson, Barry Bannan, Charlie Mulgrew & Jordan Archer - picked then withdrew (Robertson aiming to join up for Sunday's game)
Kieran Tierney - travelled but not fit to play - doubt for Sunday
Steven Fletcher - playing regularly and scoring for Sheff Wed but club wanted him excused on medical grounds
Steven Naismith, Ryan Christie & Craig Gordon - injured, Leigh Griffiths still on his break
Tom Cairney, Matt Ritchie, Robert Snodgrass - all apparently not interested. James McArthur packed it in
Allan McGregor - retired from internationals

That list sums up the lack of interest towards playing for Scotland although I think playing for McLeish has a lot to do with it.

Can’t ever remember a time when so many didn’t want to turn up. The reasons for Fletcher, Fraser and Paterson are an absolute joke.

[Zazu62]

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Really don't understand why the captain of Aberdeen getting picked for Scotland is surprising? He's always their best player against us. He had a nightmare, it happens.

The idea was actually fine, Shinnies execution was just rubbish. He's not suddenly hopeless.

Should play him in his best position then. Calum Mcgregor has hardly played for Celtic recently he’s been injured

[Since452]

I heard someone say that Scotland are in the playoffs anyway? Surely not? How does that work? Im so out of touch with international football, mainly through lack of interest. Imagine we played a team like France or Germany... deary me.

[Since452]

Scotland are the Hearts of international football. Bottle merchants. Infact was Craig Levein not the Scotland manager at one time?

[theonlywayisup]

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I heard someone say that Scotland are in the playoffs anyway? Surely not? How does that work? Im so out of touch with international football, mainly through lack of interest. Imagine we played a team like France or Germany... deary me.

We are in the play-offs because we topped our Nations League group that were played late last year to replace boring friendlies. We play Finland in the Semi-Finals. Beat them and then the other finalist then we're through to the Euros.

To be honest, we should turn our attention to the Play-Offs and forget the traditional way of qualification.

[hibsbollah]

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Ryan Fraser & Callum Paterson - in the squad but excused from playing on plastic pitch
Andrew Robertson, Barry Bannan, Charlie Mulgrew & Jordan Archer - picked then withdrew (Robertson aiming to join up for Sunday's game)
Kieran Tierney - travelled but not fit to play - doubt for Sunday
Steven Fletcher - playing regularly and scoring for Sheff Wed but club wanted him excused on medical grounds
Steven Naismith, Ryan Christie & Craig Gordon - injured, Leigh Griffiths still on his break
Tom Cairney, Matt Ritchie, Robert Snodgrass - all apparently not interested. James McArthur packed it in
Allan McGregor - retired from internationals

Quite a list.

Digressing slightly, but there's surely never been such a depressing gap in quality between us and the old enemy.

This weekend England are likely to have a combination of Raheem Sterling, Jadon Sancho on each flank with Rashford and Kane up front and a bunch of young exciting talent brought up from South London cage football waiting to make their breakthrough as well. It's such an exciting lineup it's almost enough to make want to support them.

Our best chance of us keeping anywhere near their level is if Pickford keeps chucking balls in his own net.

[theonlywayisup]

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Really don't understand why the captain of Aberdeen getting picked for Scotland is surprising? He's always their best player against us. He had a nightmare, it happens.

The idea was actually fine, Shinnies execution was just rubbish. He's not suddenly hopeless.

Maybe my comment about him and McNulty came out wrong. Whilst they may be the best around, they are nowhere near good enough for international level. That's what depressing me more and more. Scotland are on an alarming decline.

[hibsbollah]

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Maybe my comment about him and McNulty came out wrong. Whilst they may be the best around, they are nowhere near good enough for international level. That's what depressing me more and more. Scotland are on an alarming decline.

I hate agreeing with MW but he's right on this occasion. Shinnie has been in the form of his life this season, dominates games whenever I see him. Even though it's SPL level he absolutely should be in the team on current form. Last night probably an aberration.

[blackpoolhibs]

As a huge Scotland fan, who wants us to do well in every game, there has to be a time where it just has to change.

I know turkeys dont vote for xmas, but we simply cant keep doing the same things over and over.

The people in charge at the top are just not fit for purpose, who are these people accountable too?

We are a laughing stock all over the world, and its under their watch this has happened.

These people are spreading apathy all over the country, when folk like me are not giving two ****s on how we do anymore, they need to be very worried.

Scottish football is corrupt, i dont see how it will ever change while its run by these people.

[Allant1981]

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Maybe my comment about him and McNulty came out wrong. Whilst they may be the best around, they are nowhere near good enough for international level. That's what depressing me more and more. Scotland are on an alarming decline.

So how good do you have to be to be good enough to play international level?

[blackpoolhibs]

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Really don't understand why the captain of Aberdeen getting picked for Scotland is surprising? He's always their best player against us. He had a nightmare, it happens.

The idea was actually fine, Shinnies execution was just rubbish. He's not suddenly hopeless.

I agree, Shinnie is a very good player by our standards, but once again we have a manager who puts square pegs in round holes.

GJP played Robertson at left back and Tierney centre half recently, in the past we've had managers play left backs at right back to play players in the team just because of who they were.

Shinnie has been superb all season in midfield, why not pick a left back to play left back and get Shinnie in where he's played so well, or is that too simple?

Scotland are pish, not as pish as we could be, but there is apathy amongst the players and the fans.

Both are not turning up now, and while i can see why the fans might not want to watch some of the pish we've had to endure, there is a reason why some of the players are not bothering to come and play for us.

And that is a much bigger worry that needs addressed very quickly but i wont hold my breath.

[green with envy]

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I hate agreeing with MW but he's right on this occasion. Shinnie has been in the form of his life this season, dominates games whenever I see him. Even though it's SPL level he absolutely should be in the team on current form. Last night probably an aberration.

He dominates his games from midfield, not LB. This is where the issue applies.

[worcesterhibby]

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I agree, Shinnie is a very good player by our standards, but once again we have a manager who puts square pegs in round holes.

GJP played Robertson at left back and Tierney centre half recently, in the past we've had managers play left backs at right back to play players in the team just because of who they were.

Shinnie has been superb all season in midfield, why not pick a left back to play left back and get Shinnie in where he's played so well, or is that too simple?

Scotland are pish, not as pish as we could be, but there is apathy amongst the players and the fans.

Both are not turning up now, and while i can see why the fans might not want to watch some of the pish we've had to endure, there is a reason why some of the players are not bothering to come and play for us.

And that is a much bigger worry that needs addressed very quickly but i wont hold my breath.

This absolutely. Asking good players to play in the wrong position doesn't work. If your kid was having an operation on their foot you wouldn't ask a brain surgeon to do it "because he is the best doctor we have available" you get a foot specialist. I don't want the best player available to play at left back, I want the best left back. It's so bloody simple. Heck has come in and transformed Hibs results, by picking a consistent team and putting players in positions they are comfortable with and playing to a plan. When that plan doesn't work..you speak clearly to the players and tell them the new plan. The Ginger Judas doesn't even have a plan in the first place. The players don't have faith in him, he inspires no confidence and his reaction to the defeat was pathetic.

SFA out, Eck out ( and I'm a bloody happy clapper !)

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Everyone having a right laugh at our expense; can't say I blame them.

"Brexit is taking years; Scexit took nine minutes".

we're a laughing stock and it hurts



and we all know things will just carry on as normal, the ones at the top don't appear to give a flying ****

[MWHIBBIES]

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Maybe my comment about him and McNulty came out wrong. Whilst they may be the best around, they are nowhere near good enough for international level. That's what depressing me more and more. Scotland are on an alarming decline.

International level is nothing special. International level isn't just Spain and France, it's also San Marino and Gibraltar.

International level is the 23 best players available to Scotland. Shinnie on form is easily one of those

[hibsbollah]

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He dominates his games from midfield, not LB. This is where the issue applies.

That's true, but I read the earlier criticism as criticism of the selection itself.

[Smartie]

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International level is nothing special. International level isn't just Spain and France, it's also San Marino and Gibraltar.

International level is the 23 best players available to Scotland. Shinnie on form is easily one of those

Shinnie is a fantastic player who is in excellent form and nobody, especially on here, would begrudge a club captain of a decent Scottish side being a first pick under those circumstances.

He's played left back before, he's played with McKenna many times before, so it wasn't absolute insanity to play him there in the first place.

The problem is, now we have the benefit of hindsight, it is easy to criticise the decision to play him at LB and I'm sure McLeish would acknowledge he had an absolute stinker there.

He should have been in midfield where we were also woeful. I have had a fair few arguments with my Dons-supporting mate about who is better between Shinnie and SJM but I think they'd make a powerful, dynamic midfield pair that you really wouldn't want to mess with, along with someone else.

[delbert]

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Totally agree - in the last few years we've seen the Hun cheating for, at least, a decade, yet still in the Scottish game ??. We haven't qualified for the WC/EC since 1998 - but has anyone at the GFA been sacked or demoted for such appalling 'governance' ?. Have they *** !. I seem to remember something about them hiring Henry McLeish to 'Save our game' but, no big shock, nothing of note emerged from that. Our game/organisation is just a farce - it's sole purpose is to ensure that the 'Status Quo' of all the honours being handed to one or the other of the 'Old S*um' and for the blazers to fly business-class and stay in 5-star hotels at all the big games - big games that almost never involve Scotland !

Until the GFA are wiped out, our game is going nowhere except further downhill !

Don’t be too down, I hear Ernie Walker’s think tank will be reporting before the end of the year with all the answers !

[Bristolhibby]

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I agree, Shinnie is a very good player by our standards, but once again we have a manager who puts square pegs in round holes.

GJP played Robertson at left back and Tierney centre half recently, in the past we've had managers play left backs at right back to play players in the team just because of who they were.

Shinnie has been superb all season in midfield, why not pick a left back to play left back and get Shinnie in where he's played so well, or is that too simple?

Scotland are pish, not as pish as we could be, but there is apathy amongst the players and the fans.

Both are not turning up now, and while i can see why the fans might not want to watch some of the pish we've had to endure, there is a reason why some of the players are not bothering to come and play for us.

And that is a much bigger worry that needs addressed very quickly but i wont hold my breath.

Correct. Not being funny but Lewis Stevenson was fit and available. Why not call him up?

J

[hibsbollah]

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Shinnie is a fantastic player who is in excellent form and nobody, especially on here, would begrudge a club captain of a decent Scottish side being a first pick under those circumstances.

He's played left back before, he's played with McKenna many times before, so it wasn't absolute insanity to play him there in the first place.

The problem is, now we have the benefit of hindsight, it is easy to criticise the decision to play him at LB and I'm sure McLeish would acknowledge he had an absolute stinker there.

He should have been in midfield where we were also woeful. I have had a fair few arguments with my Dons-supporting mate about who is better between Shinnie and SJM but I think they'd make a powerful, dynamic midfield pair that you really wouldn't want to mess with, along with someone else.

I've always thought Shinnie and McGinn would be a great destructive and creative pair in front of the back four. That's the thing about this Scotland ****show, there is talent in there. Not exactly lions led by donkeys, but not far off. ****ing ginger Judas donkeys.

[scooby]

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As a huge Scotland fan, who wants us to do well in every game, there has to be a time where it just has to change.

I know turkeys dont vote for xmas, but we simply cant keep doing the same things over and over.

The people in charge at the top are just not fit for purpose, who are these people accountable too?

We are a laughing stock all over the world, and its under their watch this has happened.

These people are spreading apathy all over the country, when folk like me are not giving two ****s on how we do anymore, they need to be very worried.

Scottish football is corrupt, i dont see how it will ever change while its run by these people.

Bang on the money BH.
It's so ******* bad that my kids support England in major tournaments, and I'm struggling for reasons why they shouldn't.

Boot the blazers out!

[Liam978]

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I've always thought Shinnie and McGinn would be a great destructive and creative pair in front of the back four. That's the thing about this Scotland ****show, there is talent in there. Not exactly lions led by donkeys, but not far off. ****ing ginger Judas donkeys.

Rumour has it that he is to be invited onto the cabinet to get us out of Europe.

[WeeRussell]

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Shinnie is a fantastic player who is in excellent form and nobody, especially on here, would begrudge a club captain of a decent Scottish side being a first pick under those circumstances.

He's played left back before, he's played with McKenna many times before, so it wasn't absolute insanity to play him there in the first place.

The problem is, now we have the benefit of hindsight, it is easy to criticise the decision to play him at LB and I'm sure McLeish would acknowledge he had an absolute stinker there.

He should have been in midfield where we were also woeful. I have had a fair few arguments with my Dons-supporting mate about who is better between Shinnie and SJM but I think they'd make a powerful, dynamic midfield pair that you really wouldn't want to mess with, along with someone else.

and Shinnie being selected at LB, rightly or wrongly, doesn't explain why the remainder of the team played so badly.

There's more than McLeish and the SFA to blame for last night's calamity.

[WeeRussell]

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3-0 down with 10 mins to play, better to give him maybe 30 mins?

Absolutely - if it was up to me he'd have started the game.

[Sammy7nil]

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As a huge Scotland fan, who wants us to do well in every game, there has to be a time where it just has to change.

I know turkeys dont vote for xmas, but we simply cant keep doing the same things over and over.

The people in charge at the top are just not fit for purpose, who are these people accountable too?

We are a laughing stock all over the world, and its under their watch this has happened.

These people are spreading apathy all over the country, when folk like me are not giving two ****s on how we do anymore, they need to be very worried.

Scottish football is corrupt, i dont see how it will ever change while its run by these people.

I am the same I was and suppose still want to be a big Scotland fan. However you could not pay me enough to go to Hampden now. It is very sad when there is virtually no interest in the National team.

I think the SFA will get the message LOUD and CLEAR when we play Cyprus and under 20,000 turn up. McLeish was never going to be the answer the SFA buckled to public and media pressure by not asking Strachan to stay when it was clear there was progress and the players actually wanted to play for him. If the SFA had a backbone they would have given him another go.

There is no way players are going to turn out for McLeish for the rest of this campaign they may come back as we near the playoffs. If we fail to beat Finland or Noway and dont then win the next play off game I really fear for the future. I can see reegular crowds of under 10,000.