I think they’ll know that anyway. They’re not trying to get beat.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Imo the recent poor run of form has come due to a lack of confidence, calling the players out like this in public won’t help that.
If we score first today we might be alright, if Hamilton score first we’re as well packing up and going home.
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08-12-2018 08:05 AM #181
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08-12-2018 08:13 AM #182
I read Alex Fergusons last book on leadership a couple of years back. There's a little bit about David De Gea in it. Fergie describes how the press had a determination to see De Gea fail and were gleeful when he struggled. Ferguson said he knew it was a balancing act so after a game a week or so later he stood De Gea in front of all the other players and told them he was exactly what they should all apsire to, that he was 19 and had moved to a foreign country and put himself under the pressure of replacing a legend at the biggest club in the world. He said they should all be honoured to be part of the developmemt of a guy who would go on to be one of the best keepers in the world. He then privately explained to De Gea that he would be left out for a few games to take the spotlight off him and allow him to work on what he needed to. He publicly backed him in the press.
It's possible to make a point to players in lots of different ways. Publicly stating a whole squad needs replaced and a young strikers needs to be better at everything just doesn't work these days.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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08-12-2018 08:19 AM #183This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He could come on the tv and say how good they are and results have been poor but we've been unlucky, but he'd get slaughtered for that, as we've not been unlucky, we've not been good enough, and if you read every match day thread, the manager is telling them EXACTLY what the supporters are saying.
These are professionals, who should be doing everything they can to prove the manager wrong, prove the fans wrong and prove that they are better than these recent results and prove that they do care and are good enough for this club.
Sugar coating it does not help in my opinion.
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08-12-2018 08:24 AM #184
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I’d still try my best the next day but not sure that’s what the relationship between players and management should be.
take hibs our the equation for a second, hypothetically speaking say Man U went on a terrible run then Jose refused to do media, threatened to quit on a couple of occasions, his assistant started publicly criticising players and then Jose called in sick for training the day before a massive game, would you not agree his time would probably be up and unlikely to turn it around?
Imo you’re desire to defend all things Hibs just now is clouding your judgement here. It’s a shambles just now and I’m amazed you’re not seeing it to be honest.
Quite ironic actually considering the miserable ******* you used to be 😂
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08-12-2018 08:45 AM #188This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
PS i'd take another 2-0 win against accies again though.
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08-12-2018 08:45 AM #189
Implying to the press that they are basically other club rejects because Celtic have more dosh, then implying that they're not good enough to go any further at Hibs and he/ they have reached a glass ceiling will do no one any good, great way to demotivate.
How many times since he took over has he come out and tore them a new one, or Parker has done the press saying Lennon is still in the changing room giving them what for etc, or missing due to flu.
Football has a history of managers losing the dressing room, players get lackadaisical, they don't not try but just stop focussing. I can imagine in the dressing room before and after the game the players just sitting there thinking, here we go again another moan/rollicking, they'll just switch off any team talk will be a waste of time.
When things go bad it never ends well.
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08-12-2018 08:49 AM #190This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Are you trying to pick a fight here? Did you read my comment?
Doing the media work IS a substantive part of any manager’s job. There surely can’t be any argument about this??
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08-12-2018 08:52 AM #191This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Hibs are far too inconsistent. Getting a top 4 finish again this season would be a great result and show some much needed consistency. Sometimes a season of consolidation is no bad thing.
A certain section of supporters wouldn’t be happy with this though, I feel.
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08-12-2018 09:11 AM #194
Seem to remember Alex Ferguson’s Assistant Carlos Queiroz doing a lot of Fergies post match interviews while Fergie enjoyed a glass of red with the opposition Manager Thankfully for Fergie he did not have Gary Parker’s acid tongue or witty repoirtee with the press.
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08-12-2018 09:15 AM #195
This extract seems to have abit more balance to it - and doesnt just slag off the players.
http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2018/1...form=hootsuite
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Nah this can't be true, the management team have decided they don't want to be here and are working their ticket
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The thread on the 2001/02 squad is an eye opener as that squad looks light years ahead of our current squad yet they finished tenthLast edited by BILLYHIBS; 08-12-2018 at 09:47 AM.
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I believe they are giving 100% but if they are looking for confidence from some reassuring words rather than from within themselves they are looking in the wrong place.
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At the moment we are static, rather than hurtling downwards. A couple of wins will change the picture. If, come the end of this forthcoming fixture cycle, we haven’t got them then we can start the hysteria ( because that is what’s happening). Given the performances recently it’s going to ask a lot of this squad to manage that, but Lennon and Parker have earned the right to be able to try it.
Worst case scenario happens and I would guess our management team will walk. Until that happens I support them and the team.
In the meantime, I’ve found the ignore button helps. It certainly shows how determined a small group of posters ( some newer, some well established) are to spread their version of how things are. Quite sickening really, and not because they have a different view from me.
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08-12-2018 10:06 AM #205This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Personal opinion is that Lennon is struggling with his mental health and has been since Tynecastle. Who, being honest, wouldn’t when there’s graffiti up around Edinburgh promoting your hanging? I still don’t think Hibs backed him enough on that.
Anyway, a good employer should support a manager through periods of illness. If that includes giving him a month off to recover, so be it.
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08-12-2018 10:33 AM #206This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In this print media one, he acknowledges that they were playing well - its subtle, but seems better to me?
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08-12-2018 10:53 AM #207This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
With regards to giving them the fixtures this month, that’s absolutely fine if you think we should do that. But giving them the possibility to go about 14 games without a win (because as it stands we don’t look like a team that’s going to win many if any of the upcoming fixtures) is pretty mental IMO.
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08-12-2018 11:20 AM #208This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
And they are very valid. No doubt we are in a bad way but we are by no means out of it.
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Will sacking the manager make winning forthcoming fixtures more likely? I doubt it. Will it cost us loads of money and inhibit our January window activity, almost certainly. What do you think the cost of sacking Lennon and Parker will be Calum, or does that not enter into your equation?
As I said, I guess Lennon will resign if December fixtures go disastrously. In the meantime I back the manager and the team.Last edited by superfurryhibby; 08-12-2018 at 11:31 AM.
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08-12-2018 11:41 AM #210This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I would suggest from what we’ve saw over the last 2 months that yes, we’d be more likely to win the upcoming fixtures under a new manager.
I’ve no idea what it would cost to sack them, nobody does. But it will cost us even more if we stick by them and keep dropping down the league. Note I said if.
I hope he turns it round. I just think everything combined, the performances, results, mental team selections, Lennon not addressing the fans for weeks and Parker throwing the players under the bus adds up to him not being able to come back from this.
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