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    Had a little look to see what Dundee Utd fans were saying about the game. The main grumble seemed to centre about a lack of pace and width. Sound familiar?


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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyAsHellas View Post
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    Had a little look to see what Dundee Utd fans were saying about the game. The main grumble seemed to centre about a lack of pace and width. Sound familiar?
    Very. They are in the same position we have been since we went down. Able to dominate possession in the majority of games they play therefore don't lose a lot of goals and can squeeze a win most weeks. Problem is they can't score enough goals so sometimes their superiority does not convert into points.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Very. They are in the same position we have been since we went down. Able to dominate possession in the majority of games they play therefore don't lose a lot of goals and can squeeze a win most weeks. Problem is they can't score enough goals so sometimes their superiority does not convert into points.



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    their possesion did not really show, last night did it? they got what they deserved. we outplayed them all over the park and I cant see where you are coming from. they beat us with a penalty last time out but if we had converted ours, it would not have happened. we skelped them in a cup game a couple of years back, and their deficiencies were evident then. over the last few years, similar to ours they have skirted with relegation. they sold 3 of their best to Celtic and the rest is history. I don't care what happens to them tis season and hope they get stuck in this league. the year that they beat us at ER, to avoid relegation, thereby sending us down will stick in my mind . they also got lucky putting us out in a S c Semi , a few years ago which also irkes me. lovely to get past them last year, in the cup when they could quite easily have got the breaks. well done Conrad and thanks for the memories!

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    their possesion did not really show, last night did it? they got what they deserved. we outplayed them all over the park and I cant see where you are coming from. they beat us with a penalty last time out but if we had converted ours, it would not have happened. we skelped them in a cup game a couple of years back, and their deficiencies were evident then. over the last few years, similar to ours they have skirted with relegation. they sold 3 of their best to Celtic and the rest is history. I don't care what happens to them tis season and hope they get stuck in this league. the year that they beat us at ER, to avoid relegation, thereby sending us down will stick in my mind . they also got lucky putting us out in a S c Semi , a few years ago which also irkes me. lovely to get past them last year, in the cup when they could quite easily have got the breaks. well done Conrad and thanks for the memories!
    I wouldn't mind them getting promoted via the play offs.

    Quite like going to Tannadice and they carry a decent support, outwith the top four they probably are easily the next biggest support to put money in our pot.

    Not a fan of plastic pitches so would be quite happy to see Hamilton relegated, to me they bring nothing to the top league, stands on two sides and a terrible support.

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    I wouldn't mind them getting promoted via the play offs.

    Quite like going to Tannadice and they carry a decent support, outwith the top four they probably are easily the next biggest support to put money in our pot.

    Not a fan of plastic pitches so would be quite happy to see Hamilton relegated, to me they bring nothing to the top league, stands on two sides and a terrible support.
    Would agree with this. Prefer a trip to Tannadice to a Hamilton or Dingwall.

    I don't think they will come up via the playoffs though.

    Falkirk will likely be in there and they are always hard to beat over 2 games plus the system favours the Premiership team should Utd manage to make it that far.

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    From a United mate...

    Hats off to Hibs, they had Utd's number from the off. The killed us with width and pace. That was a team that had lost 3 goals in the previous 10 games ... It could have been 5 at ht.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoopyboy View Post
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    I wouldn't mind them getting promoted via the play offs.

    Quite like going to Tannadice and they carry a decent support, outwith the top four they probably are easily the next biggest support to put money in our pot.

    Not a fan of plastic pitches so would be quite happy to see Hamilton relegated, to me they bring nothing to the top league, stands on two sides and a terrible support.
    +payback for relegating us in the first place.

    Nonsense team with no fans.

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    Hamilton have no fans and a crap stadium but are a very well run club who give young players a chance. They are in the top league on merit. Hibs, United & Falkirk are in the second tier because of mismanagement of the pitch and not good enough on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    Hamilton have no fans and a crap stadium but are a very well run club who give young players a chance. They are in the top league on merit. Hibs, United & Falkirk are in the second tier because of mismanagement of the pitch and not good enough on it
    Not disputing they are there on merit but I just think they are a poor advert for Scottish football when home games are on the TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoopyboy View Post
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    Not disputing they are there on merit but I just think they are a poor advert for Scottish football when home games are on the TV.
    Don't disagree about being a poor advert for Scottish football on tv. But the other side of the coin is how a club our size is in a league below them with 3 or 4 times their budget if not more

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky View Post
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    Don't disagree about being a poor advert for Scottish football on tv. But the other side of the coin is how a club our size is in a league below them with 3 or 4 times their budget if not more
    Pretty sure if the zombies and the gunts hadn't been crossing paths with us at the same time, we would have been playing Premier football for the last two seasons.

    I do realise I have written an "if my auntie had Baws she'd be my uncle", but it answers the previous question.

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    Hamilton have no fans and a crap stadium but are a very well run club who give young players a chance. They are in the top league on merit. Hibs, United & Falkirk are in the second tier because of mismanagement of the pitch and not good enough on it
    Sad but true. The only reason teams such as Hibs and Dundee United plus both versions of the Zombies are ever not in the top league is because of poor management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Is It On.... View Post
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    Sad but true. The only reason teams such as Hibs and Dundee United plus both versions of the Zombies are ever not in the top league is because of poor management.

    Definitely true. I also think there's an element to be considered as well, that we and Dundee Utd's fans expect our clubs to push for success in terms of league places, cup runs/wins, and Europe. The ambition for that means risks are taken on players, managers etc. I think the likes of Hamilton etc are content to simply survive in the premier league, and would happily take 10th each season. St Johnstone don't even have a youth setup, as far as I know.

    thats said, Ross county, st Johnstone etc have won cups in the last while.

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    They've done well to improve to the level they have in such a short time.

    It's funny how much they seem to be wanting to follow in our footsteps 2 years later.

    McKinnon did brilliantly to get them to where he did, but you can't do it all in one transfer window. He now needs to find that pace and width and if he does, he'll have a very decent side.

    I think the United fans had their hopes raised a few weeks ago when they overtook us and went top, but realistically our bigger budget and the extra time we've had to build our squad and prepare for this task SHOULD see us as the stronger side.

    If they stick with their side and their good, young manager then I'm sure they'll get there.

    And I'd much rather have them in the Premier League with us than some of the smaller clubs.

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    I wouldn't mind them getting promoted via the play offs.

    Quite like going to Tannadice and they carry a decent support, outwith the top four they probably are easily the next biggest support to put money in our pot.

    Not a fan of plastic pitches so would be quite happy to see Hamilton relegated, to me they bring nothing to the top league, stands on two sides and a terrible support.
    I'd like to see Motherwell get relegated as a personal preference. Just because it would really annoy and upset Tam Cowan.

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    United could have a nervy home game against QOS, following two bad defeats. We really have to carry on against Dumbarton where we left off against them, so we can profit further if they drop points again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickShoes View Post
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    I'd like to see Motherwell going down, horrible place.
    My first game was against Motherwell. A home win. It would also be nice to think that as a legacy of LD's time there they would be in a good place. There are a few teams I'd see go before Motherwell.

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    Definitely true. I also think there's an element to be considered as well, that we and Dundee Utd's fans expect our clubs to push for success in terms of league places, cup runs/wins, and Europe. The ambition for that means risks are taken on players, managers etc. I think the likes of Hamilton etc are content to simply survive in the premier league, and would happily take 10th each season. St Johnstone don't even have a youth setup, as far as I know.

    thats said, Ross county, st Johnstone etc have won cups in the last while.
    St Johnstone have an excellent community feeder set up, football savvy chairman, great manager and strong coaching base.

    We have had a diddy chairman, constantly changing managerial team and a training ground in a different county.

    That's why over the last 5 years they have punched above their weight while we have underachieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickShoes View Post
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    I'd like to see Motherwell going down, horrible place.
    Regularly finished in the top 3 and made cup finals/semi finals/Europe only a couple years ago, yet their stadium was practically empty every week due to the locals preferring Parkhead or Ibrox. Absolutely - success is wasted on them.

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    St Johnstone have an excellent community feeder set up, football savvy chairman, great manager and strong coaching base.

    We have had a diddy chairman, constantly changing managerial team and a training ground in a different county.

    That's why over the last 5 years they have punched above their weight while we have underachieved.
    I would argue that Hibs have sadly underperformed, with one or two exceptions such as the Mowbray team, since about 1975. I am hoping that LDs legacy will be a stable set-up with clearly defined and consistent "goals" for coaching, scouting, managerial selection, catering, etc. Just hope that's not too much to ask...

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    I wouldn't mind them getting promoted via the play offs.

    Quite like going to Tannadice and they carry a decent support, outwith the top four they probably are easily the next biggest support to put money in our pot.

    Not a fan of plastic pitches so would be quite happy to see Hamilton relegated, to me they bring nothing to the top league, stands on two sides and a terrible support.
    I would gladly never go to Tannadice ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIP View Post
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    St Johnstone have an excellent community feeder set up, football savvy chairman, great manager and strong coaching base.

    We have had a diddy chairman, constantly changing managerial team and a training ground in a different county.

    That's why over the last 5 years they have punched above their weight while we have underachieved.
    Saint J sold their ground & moved out of town to a stadium with little atmosphere & tiny crowds. When we proposed a similar move there was, understandably, strong opposition. I wouldn't swap our current situation for that of the Saints.

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    I would gladly never go to Tannadice ever again.
    Are you a tall chap by any chance?

    Legroom in the stands are terrible.

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    Are you a tall chap by any chance?

    Legroom in the stands are terrible.
    Not as bad as The Wheatfield Stand at the PBS..that is a truly terrible experience, as well as extremely dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIP View Post
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    St Johnstone have an excellent community feeder set up, football savvy chairman, great manager and strong coaching base.

    We have had a diddy chairman, constantly changing managerial team and a training ground in a different county.

    That's why over the last 5 years they have punched above their weight while we have underachieved.
    Are you really saying that East Mains being in East Lothian contributed to our relegation? The rest of your post is agreeable but location of the HTC has nothing to do with the turmoil we've been through

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIP View Post
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    St Johnstone have an excellent community feeder set up, football savvy chairman, great manager and strong coaching base.

    We have had a diddy chairman, constantly changing managerial team and a training ground in a different county.

    That's why over the last 5 years they have punched above their weight while we have underachieved.
    What the hell does that matter. Loads of huge clubs have training centres miles out of town and the players never see the stadium until matchday. If I recall correctly before East Mains was built the players had to train on a different public park every day, with the associated risk of dug ***** and broken glass, and had no access to indoor facilities.

    Millions of folk have a hell of a lot more than a 25 minute drive to work in the morning and I bet most of them don't start work at 10am or 11am and head home again about 2pm or 3pm.

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    Saint J sold their ground & moved out of town to a stadium with little atmosphere & tiny crowds. When we proposed a similar move there was, understandably, strong opposition. I wouldn't swap our current situation for that of the Saints.
    There's nothing out of town about McDairmid Park. Well inside the city boundary.
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    Not as bad as The Wheatfield Stand at the PBS..that is a truly terrible experience, as well as extremely dangerous.
    Bloody treacherous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brog View Post
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    Saint J sold their ground & moved out of town to a stadium with little atmosphere & tiny crowds. When we proposed a similar move there was, understandably, strong opposition. I wouldn't swap our current situation for that of the Saints.
    I wish Hibs were run like St johnstone. They have a great chairman who has a settled ship. Their stadium is good and their youth set up is just fine. We could learn a lot from their set up. Perth has 40,000 inhabitants with 3000 fans. Edinburgh and the surrounding area is 15 times bigger and we get 15,000. Saints are a great club who pick off Hibs and Hearts youth. Plus they have the best coach in Scotland at youth level...ex Hibs after we treated him badly! But, LD is improving our club at last.

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