Here's a link to an interesting and informative article that was published in 2012, and I'd also draw your attention to the comments at the bottom.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ervicemen.html
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03-11-2014 02:30 PM #61
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03-11-2014 02:36 PM #62This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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03-11-2014 02:42 PM #63This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Remembering and support the individual is completwly different from supporting the conflict or the system.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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03-11-2014 02:50 PM #65
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Well done to both clubs.... Being an ex squaddie, I appreciate gestures like this.
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03-11-2014 02:52 PM #66
I will not name the person I am going to talk about out of respect and not to distress any member of his family.
In 1983 when I left school the country was in the grip of a terrible recession made worse by the policies of the then Government. I was fortunate that I got a job a number my school friends had very limited opportunities. The ones that were available included joining the Army. I always remember that being a squaddie was seen as a short term move until things got better. Those that joined up were in dread of a tour in Northern Ireland they were teenagers but they took the view that they needed to get their head down and get through it.
Unfortunately, he was killed on his first tour and was buried in his hibs top and scarf at the cemetery at Easter Road. There really is an irony there. He was a victim, he was one of our people on so many different levels. As I said earlier, we have a real duty to look after our people, particularly when they have been sent on misadventures.
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03-11-2014 03:23 PM #67
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Nobody ever remembers the merchant seamen who died. Would be nice to see them included somewhere. Those of us who served in war zones are entitled to wear medals and are given veteran badges by the MOD but alas, then forgotten about. This is not a dig at a fantastic initiative.
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03-11-2014 03:30 PM #68This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
My Granda was in the Merchant Navy during WW2, and thankfully came through it. I still can't hear the Sailors' Hymn without tearing up.
Respect.
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03-11-2014 03:34 PM #69
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Me too mate.
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03-11-2014 04:55 PM #71This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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03-11-2014 06:17 PM #72
Well I, for one, wholeheartedly support the efforts of Hibs and QOS on this.
It's a good initiative and it will hopefully raise a decent amount of money for a worthy cause.
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03-11-2014 06:19 PM #73This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThis is how it feels
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03-11-2014 06:21 PM #74
Brilliant initiative. Good to see us doing our bit to show our respect and our gratitute to these brave men and women.
Lest we forget x
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03-11-2014 06:26 PM #75This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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03-11-2014 06:28 PM #76This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Eloquently put.
it is possible and not hypocritical to show appreciation, recognition, and remembrance for the men and women who stand a post and lay their lives on the line for each of us, whilst at the same time not supporting the wars they may have been ordered to participate in.
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03-11-2014 06:30 PM #77This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteHIBERNIAN FC - ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY SINCE 1875
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03-11-2014 06:34 PM #78
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03-11-2014 06:38 PM #79
At this time we are paying respect to the falllen of the 'Great War', 1914-18. There are no living combatitants who served in this war. I wish that when I was at school that more attention had been placed on teaching the things that took place in that war. In 2045 we will pay our respects the the fallen of the second war, as that will also be 100 years after its conclusion. The 'Great War' was a war that touched the lives of every family in this country. Football fans from every club served in the armed forces and many would make the ultimate scarifice and may others would return with life changing injuries. Our Armed forces are still being asked to make the ultimate sacrifice and many return with life changing injuries. I think our club is acting in a just way to show our gratitude of what our armed forces do for us the civilian population in war and also in peace when they can be called to serve the civivilan population when the need arises.
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03-11-2014 06:51 PM #80
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FWIW - I travel to Ypres a couple of times a year (previously on business, now simply as a tourist) - I've spent many a night at the Menin Gate with my family to witness the last post. As a keen road cyclist, I’ve also cycled around the many Commonwealth graves in Flanders - indeed,I even helped to locate the grandfathers grave of another poster on this very forum (which we found in Calais).I've spent holidays in Amiens touring the battlefields of the Somme and I still travel to France and Belgium on a regular basis.
Purely coincidentally, I also viewed the poppies around the Tower of London last week and I also shook the hand of an elderly Chelsea Pensioner. Their scarlet coat isn’t just comfortable, warm, weatherproof and elegant – it’s a wearable gift voucher. Nobody seen in it has ever paid for their own drink. It effortlessly provides free taxis and will carry its inhabitant to the head of any queue. And, regardless of your previous position in life, it will garner unlimited love and respect.
What grates is the fact that other charities are clearly losing out to HfH.I've absolutely no qualms popping a couple of quid in a tin to buy a poppy, or standing a round of drinks for a few Chelsea Pensioners or visiting Canadians in Northern Belgium – but other charities are being compromised.
And in case some you missed my link…here it is again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ervicemen.html
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03-11-2014 06:57 PM #81This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Nobody is stopping you wearing a white poppy are they? I'll be wearing the normal red one because I know and like where the funds are going to but I understand why others would wear the white version. That's the joys of a free country.Every gimmick hungry yob,
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03-11-2014 07:03 PM #82This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
My view is that it's not HfH that is depriving the other charities, it's the Government who should be funding a lot of thing these charities do. I don't like that but I'll still support the charities.Every gimmick hungry yob,
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03-11-2014 07:11 PM #83
As an ex-serviceman myself I think it's important to remember that this initiative is supporting troops, the vast majority of them ordinary men and women like you and me. It is most certainly not about supporting the government, whichever one's in power. If anything, it's pointing out the governments shortcomings in not providing the necessary funds for rehab centres, etc. I honestly didn't think there would be such a debate about this topic, how truely naive I am, even now.
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03-11-2014 07:16 PM #84This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Back on topic - this is a great initiative from Hibs. Top marks
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03-11-2014 07:21 PM #85This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If anything we should recognise their courage and professionalism in doing as they are ordered when perhaps they personally might not agree with everything they are being asked to do either. Having a go about it is a luxury they don't have, and the rest of us do as a result of being the kind of democracy that our military defend.
"I did not need any persuasion to play for such a great club, the Hibs result is still one of the first I look for"
Sir Matt Busby
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03-11-2014 07:41 PM #86This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Can you please explain yourself in terms of what you mean by this ridiculous statement?
The fact that fans of Rangers shamefully exploit the Armed Forces for their own bigoted reasons is not the fault of the many thousands of ordinary men and women who represent this country with the utmost bravery and dignity. They put themselves on the line and when they go to war, they leave their friends and families behind and have absolutely no idea if that's the last time they'll ever see them.
I cannot begin to imagine what that must feel like.
This country would be a lot worse off if we didn't have our Armed Forces and I don't think it's much to ask that we think about them for a couple of weeks every year, around the anniversary of Armistice Day.
To dismiss these people as being just a buch of Rangers fans is so wrong, it actually beggars belief.
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03-11-2014 08:51 PM #87This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Funnily enough, I'm sure the guys who serve couldn't give a toss who you are or what your beliefs are if they are called upon to assist.
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04-11-2014 06:36 AM #89
Reading the link the primary purpose is remembering the 100th anniversary of the outbreak of WW1 while a secondary spin off is that the shirts worn by the players will be auctioned off with proceeds going to H4H.
With regard to the primary purpose i think its right for the club to take part in this initiative. Anyone with a problem with it should really read their copy of Lugton 2 to see the ultimate sacrifice so many Hibs players and fans paid in WW1. Quite simply its the decent and respectful thing to do.
Regarding H4H i don't know enough about their operation to know how much goes into admin and how much goes to the deserving people. The clue is of course that its a charity auction and if people have concerns they don't need to bid. Maybe they can make a donation to another ex serviceman charity if they feel it will allocate more of the monies received direct to those who need it.
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04-11-2014 07:55 AM #90
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Hibs v QOTS - nice touch
http://www.qosfc.com/new_newsview.aspx?newsid=2551
Heard about this as I stay down in Dumfries , nice touch from Hibs.
Also never realised that QOTS came about as an amalgamation of three clubs as the article points out.
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