Sky sports news Celtic bid for McGinn turned down

**Mcpakeisgod** · 18-07-2018 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by RossScott1991

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Wish there was any inside info on what is happening. Do we even have any idea what Hibs are holding out for or is it all just pure speculation on papers part?

Not ideal preparations for Europe any of this. Hope we can get 2/3 players in before greek games

Less time on this. More time making Lloyd’s a better bank

***Jim44*** · 18-07-2018 02:57 PM

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But if Allan/SJM play a qualifier, then they couldn't play in the qualifiers for another team in the other competition... I thought that's what was agreed, but that doesn't seem in line with what you've just posted as your last sentence.

The information I gave here isn’t my words. I got it from another source. It would appear that ‘Cup tied’ has been removed completely. No greyness.

**MyJo** · 18-07-2018 03:03 PM

I reckon the deal will be £2.5m and the paying up of Scott Allan's final year of his contract.

Allan then signs for us as a free agent with the financial impact of our lower wages offset by the Celtic pay-off and nothing additional due to St Mirren on his transfer.

***J-C*** · 18-07-2018 03:12 PM

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Thought it only mattered if Celtic drop into the EL?

Think it's been established you're only cuptied for the qualification stages of each competition but you can then play in the group stages afterwards.

I've just looked at the rules and it's still quite complicated, not really sure about playing in qualifiers etc, the new rule was brought in for the January window so new signings could play for their new clubs in these competitions, Players could always play in both competitions for different clubs, I think this new rule is more for the champions league rather than Europa league.

***Aldo*** · 18-07-2018 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by MyJo

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I reckon the deal will be £2.5m and the paying up of Scott Allan's final year of his contract.

Allan then signs for us as a free agent with the financial impact of our lower wages offset by the Celtic pay-off and nothing additional due to St Mirren on his transfer.

Don’t think your far off the money here MyJo!

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**Michael** · 18-07-2018 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by MyJo

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I reckon the deal will be £2.5m and the paying up of Scott Allan's final year of his contract.

Allan then signs for us as a free agent with the financial impact of our lower wages offset by the Celtic pay-off and nothing additional due to St Mirren on his transfer.

I think Allan will have nothing to do with the deal. We're not going to damage our reputation by not giving St. Mirren what they're due.

***Stevie Reid*** · 18-07-2018 03:50 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44877238

**Gmack7** · 18-07-2018 04:12 PM

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44877238

He's right ofcourse. We need to be prepated for the Greek game and if Mcginn is still with us he's got to be teady to play

***Stevie Reid*** · 18-07-2018 04:16 PM

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He's right ofcourse. We need to be prepated for the Greek game and if Mcginn is still with us he's got to be teady to play

Definitely. Unless a deal is imminent, which it clearly isn't, he plays and gets up to fitness for next week's game.

***Jim44*** · 18-07-2018 04:40 PM

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44877238

From the article:

McGinn missed the 6-1 first-leg win with a thigh strain and playing on Thursday would make him ineligible for Celtic's Champions League qualifiers.

The lack of definitive understanding of this rule is quite ridiculous. I read earlier and quoted on here that the cup tied rule had been removed completely but still folk seem to be interpreting it in various forms. Anyway, the important thing for us is that McGinn is fit and will play, unless of course he tweaks a muscle in the pre match warm up.

Ps where I read it. : http://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa-...t-does-it-mean

***Golden Bear*** · 18-07-2018 04:49 PM

It will be just our luck if John plays tomorrow night and receives a serious injury . Depending on where the transfer negotiations are right now, I'd rather not risk it.

***Jim44*** · 18-07-2018 04:56 PM

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It will be just our luck if John plays tomorrow night and receives a serious injury . Depending on where the transfer negotiations are right now, I'd rather not risk it.

Depends on which school of thought you are in GB. A lot of us wouldn’t be upset at the prospect of McGinn having to spend another season at ER. January pre-contracts will be the order of the day.

***Golden Bear*** · 18-07-2018 05:01 PM

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Depends on which school of thought you are in GB. A lot of us wouldn’t be upset at the prospect of McGinn having to spend another season at ER. January pre-contracts will be the order of the day.

Unfortunately it looks increasingly like he's going, going, but not quite gone!

**Cod Boy** · 18-07-2018 05:28 PM

Shouldn’t play him tomorrow 6.1 ahead and if he is nearing the exit door the players remaining should get the game time to improve there fitness for the start of the season.

***MrSmith*** · 18-07-2018 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Cod Boy

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Shouldn’t play him tomorrow 6.1 ahead and if he is nearing the exit door the players remaining should get the game time to improve there fitness for the start of the season.

Maybe he wants to play? I think he is a proper professional and that comes first.

**GreenPJ** · 18-07-2018 05:32 PM

Its Celtic who should be more worried about him getting injured - if they don't want him to get injured under Hibs watch then they need to cough up the fee that will make the board say yes.

**Cod Boy** · 18-07-2018 05:32 PM

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Wonder if Celtic will play Allan tonight, and Cup tie him😎

He is a substitute

***Billy Whizz*** · 18-07-2018 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Cod Boy

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He is a substitute

As he was last week

**~~Col_0762~~** · 18-07-2018 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Jim44

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The information I gave here isn’t my words. I got it from another source. It would appear that ‘Cup tied’ has been removed completely. No greyness.

If McGinn plays for us in the qualifiers, he can’t play in the Champions League Qualifiers for Celtic. If they drop out of the CL and into the Europa League Group Stages, he can play. If we were to both play in the EL Groups and they signed him in January, they can add an additional 2 or 3 players I think it is to their registered squad.

**ancient hibee** · 18-07-2018 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

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Why? So you can call them out for being wrong?

Nice.

We’ve all known for years that he’d go to Celtic.

I can’t get my head around why anyone is concerned about the time it’s taking. Just pretend it’s done already and move on!

Were you one of them.I’m not as childish as you seem to think just interested.Did I say I was worried about how long it’s taking?

***Jamesie*** · 18-07-2018 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Cod Boy

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Shouldn’t play him tomorrow 6.1 ahead and if he is nearing the exit door the players remaining should get the game time to improve there fitness for the start of the season.

I tend to agree. We saw in the first leg that they have at least one bampot who wold like to make a name for himself. I wouldn't like to see McGinn on the receiving end of something similar.

***Jim44*** · 18-07-2018 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Col_0762

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If McGinn plays for us in the qualifiers, he can’t play in the Champions League Qualifiers for Celtic. If they drop out of the CL and into the Europa League Group Stages, he can play. If we were to both play in the EL Groups and they signed him in January, they can add an additional 2 or 3 players I think it is to their registered squad.

I’m not disputing what you say but does it make this nonsense:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa-...t-does-it-mean

**~~MSK~~** · 18-07-2018 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jamesie

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I tend to agree. We saw in the first leg that they have at least one bampot who wold like to make a name for himself. I wouldn't like to see McGinn on the receiving end of something similar.

Ah dunno, if McGinn swings that big muckle erse he could cause damage to opposition players 🤭

***WhileTheChief..*** · 18-07-2018 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by ancient hibee

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Were you one of them.I’m not as childish as you seem to think just interested.Did I say I was worried about how long it’s taking?

Nope and nope to answer your questions!

Just wondered why you felt the need to pull folk up on it. No biggy.

***Billy Whizz*** · 18-07-2018 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Jim44

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I’m not disputing what you say but does it make this nonsense:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa-...t-does-it-mean

Jim, in the second paragraph, it does say Group stage and knock out rounds, no reference to the qualifying rounds

**Famous Fiver** · 18-07-2018 05:47 PM

I smell tit for tat.

If Scott Allan gets on the pitch tonight he becomes ineligible for any further qualifying rounds we might be involved in.

Similar situation as John McGinn, who will be ineligible for further qualifying rounds if he plays for us.

Interesting situation. If Scotty does play tonight J McG should be the first name on our teamsheet.

If he doesn't play tonight is there some backroom deal in progress?

**~~Col_0762~~** · 18-07-2018 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jim44

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I’m not disputing what you say but does it make this nonsense:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa-...t-does-it-mean

The only additional changes are around what I mention above to avoid a Coutinhio situation. No changes to a player playing in the first, second, third and playoff rounds not being eligible for other qualifying rounds. They can play in the group stages though if signed and registered on time.

It’s on UEFA website.

Full change:
• Regarding the registration of players after a group stage of the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League, a club may register three new eligible players without any restrictions. This is in line with the existing regulatory situation in the different domestic leagues, which does not impose restrictions on the eligibility for competitions of players registered for a new club during the winter transfer window.

***AlbertK86*** · 18-07-2018 05:50 PM

Allan and Mikey Johnston on bench tonight but no Lewis Morgan

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**Rumble de Thump** · 18-07-2018 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

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Why? So you can call them out for being wrong?

Nice.

We’ve all known for years that he’d go to Celtic.

I can’t get my head around why anyone is concerned about the time it’s taking. Just pretend it’s done already and move on!

A lot of people have been pretending they know. John doesn't know so obviously nobody else does. He and Hibs will get the best deal for themselves.