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22-03-2019 08:51 PM #2
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Wonder if the same will apply to HSL ?
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22-03-2019 09:08 PM #3
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She is right of course.
I mean they might make a 1 year, £12m stand cost £18m, take two years (and counting) and do something really stupid like put the press box in the wrong position and forget to order seats.
Much better to leave it to the professionals...
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22-03-2019 09:14 PM #4This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
FoH on the other hand will own 75.1 % of HOMFC and Budge is telling them she will continue to call the shots. That can only happen with the support of the FoH board, and they can be replaced if that is not agreed by the majority of FoH members.
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22-03-2019 09:16 PM #5
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In all seriousness though she’s right - look at the polarised arguments on here and try and apply that to the boardroom. Nothing would get done.
Enjoyed your book BTW
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22-03-2019 09:40 PM #6
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No fans will ever run any club. Doesn't matter how much monthly direct debits there are or how many fans reps there are on the board.
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22-03-2019 10:00 PM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Do Barca not have some sort of fan ownership / membership set up? Sure they vote in the president or the likes but he then runs the club.
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23-03-2019 05:45 AM #8
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It does contribute to the short term and sensationalist way they are run though, with aspiring presidents making elaborate promises to get elected.
I think the benign dictator model is best, as long as fans have enough of an interest to hold a blocking vote should it be required.
But that wasn't the model that FoH was sold on though was it? It's been a great effort by Hearts fans, and they would have every right to be furious with Budge if she was effectively holding court over them while spending (badly, it has to be said) their very significant amounts of cash.
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23-03-2019 05:45 AM #9
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23-03-2019 05:51 AM #10
She's not really saying anything shocking.
I think one of the common myths about fan ownership is that fans would be involved in everything from the price of a pie to the construction of a helipad. In reality fans own the club but, like most clubs, there is a small team who actually run the club on a day to day basis.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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23-03-2019 06:11 AM #11
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I think it's just her polite way of saying she doesn't want a load of rabid idiot football fans running the show. Otherwise they might end up with a whole team of Malaury Martins and David Vanaceks.
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23-03-2019 06:17 AM #12
To be honest the same would happen here if the fans owned the club. We would still have a CEO and board running the club and making the day to day decisions.
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23-03-2019 07:32 AM #13
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My opinion all along is that she has got to play Football Manager with other folks money with 100% control.
I've never known a turkey vote for Christmas.
They'll have to carry her out screaming and kicking.
Keep giving, you Gorgie mugs!!
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23-03-2019 07:42 AM #14
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23-03-2019 07:46 AM #15
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It's hard to decide who has done a better job of wasting their FoH money, Budge with the massive overspend on the stand or Levein with the hit and miss (mostly miss) recruitment track record.Last edited by 007; 23-03-2019 at 10:21 AM.
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23-03-2019 09:56 AM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This is absolutely correct.
We are however missing the point here. In less than 12 months time they will be outspending our Manager by huge amounts. We already have over 2000 supporters where the penny has dropped and they realise what is happening before our eyes. However, we have many thousands more who just cannot see what is unfolding. Can we again urge our fellow supporters to join and donate. Our Management Team will not be able to perform miracles forever.
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23-03-2019 10:07 AM #17
Needs collective leadership to make it work at Hibs. Hearts had a crisis. Hibs don’t.
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23-03-2019 10:22 AM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
OfficialHSL is 100% correct - even Levein will seriously exploit that advantage, heaven help us if they get decent manager in...…
Currently our only secure way to counter their advantage is to get right behind HSL - all the money goes into our Club.
If you've not signed up please do so - even £10 per month will help!
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23-03-2019 11:29 AM #20
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Its a win no win situation, if your happy with what your seeing and think we will continue to get better without extra money then fine?
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23-03-2019 11:34 AM #21This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Extra revenue is always welcome, and for those able and comfortable to do so HSL is a great way of providing that, but it’s uo to the club also to look for investment from other wealthier sources other than fans who spend a large chunk of their disposable income on supporting Hibs. The tone of the post you quoted is one that has undertones of making fans feel guilty for not committing to HSL, and they could chase more people away than attract if they stray into that territory and paint bleak outlooks for the future without HSL.
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23-03-2019 11:36 AM #22This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-03-2019 11:41 AM #23This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We do not intend in any way to criticise fans for not contributing to HSL. We go out of our way to point out that fans should only contribute if they have the financial means to do so. Rent/mortgage and other things in life are much more important. What we have been asked to do however is to try and highlight what is unfolding elsewhere and perhaps have a simpler, perhaps more blunt message. It is a difficult balance to strike.
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23-03-2019 11:49 AM #24
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23-03-2019 11:51 AM #25
HSL needs a reboot.
I have nothing but admiration for Jim and his few helpers as they absolutely have the right intention but they seem to up against public opinion when it comes to increasing the uptake.
The club need to drive it forward. There are people out there who have good ideas both at home and abroado but this all needs to be brought together, thrashed out and kick started.
The Base is there, it just needs to be buill upon with a new, fresh message and the club leading the way could go some way to bringing more supporters on board.
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23-03-2019 02:16 PM #26
There’s an argument that Hibs’ fans appetite for success has been satiated to a large degree by the SC win which we’ll now milk and refer to for the next 30 years as we did with 0-7
Sheep and yam followers seem to hold a much greater level of appetite for their clubs to become clubs who win silverware on an annual basis, than we do.
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23-03-2019 02:30 PM #27
I’m sorry, but HSL is simply not professional or official enough and needs rebooted.
The club should be directly promoting it at every single opportunity. It should be part of our snazzy season ticket campaign videos and all over our websites and matchday advertising. It should not be left down to an amateur-looking poster on hibs.net. I appreciate you guys are doing this voluntarily and out of the love for our club, so I applaud you. But far more drive needs to come from the very top of the club.
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23-03-2019 02:50 PM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The thing is though is that it is not, by design, the club’s scheme. So while they benefit from it there is little chance of it being prompted by the club across all of its official channels ad nauseam.
Sadly HSL seems to be a somewhat tainted proposition. Not helped of course by a few vocal misguided fans and the ponzi stuff. It got off to a bad start and despite some success has forever more seemed to rather underperform.
I’m also not always a fan of the tone of the message. Stating Hearts will forever more pull away from us because we don’t contribute seems to suggest that their scheme will grow larger and larger forever more as well. Yes it’s bigger and contributes more but is that gap forever widening and growing?
That said I’m not denigrating the effort they put in nor am I sure what else they can offer...the subscriptions literally buy some of the club so it’s way more than just a donation. So maybe it’s more of a rebrand and a massaging of the message that’s needed.
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23-03-2019 03:57 PM #29This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You are correct and it's once again an example where there is a difficult path to travel. We have many supporters who refuse to join because we are "too close" to the Club and claim we are not truly independent. Likewise we are not the only shareholder. It may not be possible for the Club to promote our cause at the expense of other shareholder groups. We do not claim to get everything right but we must continue to try and keep the message simple. Our principal shareholder has agreed to have new shares issued which means that money donated to HSL can go straight to our Manager to help put a better product on the park. So, if Hibs supporters want to help put better players on the park we invite them to donate, but only if they can afford to do so.
Others are right to say we have not been helped by fellow "supporters" decrying our message whereas Hearts and Aberdeen have not had these headwinds to deal with.
We now own over 18% of the Club and our donations are helping so please spread the word. HSL Members will be represented very soon on the Board which is our first major milestone.
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