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Thread: In Neil Lennon we trust
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05-12-2018 11:44 PM #61
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05-12-2018 11:45 PM #62madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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05-12-2018 11:46 PM #63This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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05-12-2018 11:46 PM #64This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I want to give Neil Lennon every opportunity to fix something that even his staunchest supporters can see is currently and clearly broken.
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05-12-2018 11:47 PM #65This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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05-12-2018 11:49 PM #66
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05-12-2018 11:51 PM #67
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Let’s hope we beat Hamilton on Saturday :)
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05-12-2018 11:54 PM #68madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Again, how did we sign Allan, Fyvie, McGinn and McGeouch in the Championship? Something strange about that, we signed talented young players who excelled. Now we are signing seasoned pros or rejects (as Lennon has put it).
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06-12-2018 12:21 AM #69This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
But the point of Stubbsy not getting us promoted - especially through the play offs, still stands.
I do agree that we were up against it with both Hearts and Sevco for clinching automatic promotion, but there is no excuse for the play off defeats.
To say what Neil Lennon would have done under similar circumstances is, quite frankly, ridiculous and takes us off into the realms of mere conjecture.
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06-12-2018 12:27 AM #70
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06-12-2018 12:36 AM #71This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I would like to see him( providing he is still here and genuinely wants to be here) be given significant funds in the January window to secure "better quality" players, especially in midfield and upfront, and to be given to the end of the season with a revamped squad before his performance as manager is assessed by Leeann and co.
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06-12-2018 01:08 AM #72This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I respect where you are coming from re" another transfer window to fix things", but, for me, Neil Lennon is best placed at this moment in time to know the players at his disposal and the type he needs to replace them. I'd be very surprised if Leeann and co are not thinking along exactly the same lines and keen to ensure they support him all they can.
A new manager is simply coming into the mix completely blind folded with the expectations of the supporters to get it right immediately - This scenario raises the spectre of Butcher all over.
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06-12-2018 02:37 AM #73This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Scottish Cup
Lennon: Promotion first time
4th place SPFL finish, unlucky not to be 2nd
European football, of which he progressed us 2 rounds.
Much higher win percentage and one of the highest ever for a Hibs manager.
Absolutely love Stubbs for delivering the Scottish cup but I'd much rather, and am much happier, with Lennon than him.
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06-12-2018 02:53 AM #74
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Stubbs' seasons were 'failed' promotion attempts as we were kept down by teams - Hearts in 2014/15, Rangers in 2015/16 - who outperformed and/or had bigger budgets than us. The one letdown in Stubbs' handling of the league was that he finished third behind Falkirk in 2015/16. This was more than made up for by the fact that he led us to both domestic cup finals, an achievement which no other Hibs manager has ever replicated. After suffering the setbacks of the League Cup and Play-Off heartbreak, he led us to our greatest ever day on the 21st May 2016, ending 114 years of torment and winning the Scottish Cup. It revolutionised our club and much of what Lennon has right now/had (the 13k season ticket base, the midfield trio of McGinn, McGeouch and Allan, the funds to sign players) can be attributed directly to the work of Alan Stubbs.
Onto Lennon, promotion first time, in a league where we were odds on favourites to win it, and did so, not at all convincingly I might add. He got one more point (71) in total than Stubbs did in both his seasons (70) with much, much tougher competition, with similarly embarrassing slip ups at home to Ayr, away to bottom club St Mirren, at home to Queen of the South in the League Cup (we'll get to his substandard cup record in a minute).
"4th place SPFL finish, unlucky not to be 2nd". Right, so I'm going to say "Alan Stubbs: 3rd placed SPFL Championship finish, unlucky not to be 1st", and that just absolves Stubbs of finishing 3rd, does it? The fact we didn't finish second had nothing to do with luck, it was down to the first half of the season not being good enough results wise, and the team choking at Tynecastle in the penultimate game when all we needed was a draw. Lennon was too ignorant to actually realise that a draw was all we needed, and admitted so after the match.
European football, which Stubbs also delivered, and then left before he had the chance to negotiate us through any rounds. Had he, he'd have been tasked with taking Hibs past Brondby, a much more difficult prospect than Faroese trawlermen and Asteras Tripolis.
Lennon's win percentage at Hibs is 48.7%.
Stubbs' win percentage at Hibs was 58.0%.
Lennon's cup record is also absolutely average in comparison to Stubbs, who took us to (in succession), a League Cup Quarter Final, a Scottish Cup Semi Final, a League Cup Final and then a victorious Scottish Cup Final. Lennon better hope - if he's still here - that he can deliver a visit to Hampden at the very least, because we're not going to have much to play for in the league at this rate unless things improve and fast.Last edited by HibeeHibernian4; 06-12-2018 at 03:09 AM.
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06-12-2018 03:00 AM #75
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To clarify my position on this, when things are going well for Hibs, Neil Lennon is a better manager at Hibs than Alan Stubbs ever was. Of that there is no doubt for me.
However, Stubbs could bring Hibs back from the dead in a way that Lennon seems incapable of. When we lost four in a row in the Championship in February/March 2016, and then were cruelly beaten in the League Cup Final, what did Stubbs do? He took us up to Inverness for the Scottish Cup replay three days later and got us through.
Under Lennon, before this dire run, we've had one poor spell last winter (where we lost to St Johnstone, drew with Accies, lost to Rangers and lost 4-1 at Aberdeen in the space of about six games), and it took a winter break and a transfer window for Hibs to properly recover.
I hope I'm wrong, I would love to be proved wrong, but I do not see Lennon pulling Hibs back from this.
Edit: What definitely doesn't help, going forward, is a select few fans on here sticking their head in the sand and insisting that Neil Lennon has a winning mentality despite very little evidence suggesting he does. A 'winner' would've got us to a cup final by now at the very least, surely?Last edited by HibeeHibernian4; 06-12-2018 at 03:03 AM.
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06-12-2018 06:42 AM #76This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We really are struggling at the moment one win to my mind isn't going to suddenly change that The players had thier clear the air chat and it's not worked We are chopping and changing team each week as clearly too many players not doing it and Theanagement Yeam have gone Public with this
But yes all we can do is Hope that we turn this Slump around sooner than later as Celtic and Rangers won't.belooking to do us any favours apart from turn us over
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06-12-2018 06:50 AM #77
Why the **** is Stubbs still getting mentioned in posts. FS he got sacked from bloody st mirren, your a like a bunch of little bairns. People are concerned with Lennon and recent performances that's understandable but gtf with the chronic mentioning of bloody Stubbs.
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06-12-2018 07:06 AM #78This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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06-12-2018 07:38 AM #79This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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06-12-2018 07:49 AM #80This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Both NL and AS picked their jobs down south badly and both were catastrophic.
St Mirren - well, who knows. I don’t know who’s have gone in and met the expectations of their fans. I think Stubbs, Holden and Doolan were a great team and not having the others might not have worked the same.
I don’t think there’s nearly as much between the two managers as people are making out.
Do you think your security can keep you in purity, you will not shake us off above or below. Scottish friction, Scottish fiction
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06-12-2018 08:14 AM #81This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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06-12-2018 08:18 AM #83This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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06-12-2018 08:22 AM #84This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Nearly everything Lennon has won as a manager has been with the biggest budget in the league. The careers of the two are comparable in many ways, but Stubbs has a SC under his belt.
Do you think your security can keep you in purity, you will not shake us off above or below. Scottish friction, Scottish fiction
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06-12-2018 08:29 AM #85This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Last edited by pacoluna; 06-12-2018 at 08:32 AM.
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06-12-2018 08:33 AM #86
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Stubbs had us finish behind Falkirk, Falkirk FFS.
Anyone that wants a return to that wants their ****ing heid examined.
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06-12-2018 08:38 AM #87This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Aye and look at Falkirk now. 2nd bottom of the championship, -12 goal difference, well and truly spanked out the Scottish cup 4-2 by Stenhousemuir. You don't think we are better than them now?
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06-12-2018 08:42 AM #88This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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06-12-2018 08:44 AM #89This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Slagging off Stubbs is not a defence of Lennon outside his excellent one half of a season.
Do you think your security can keep you in purity, you will not shake us off above or below. Scottish friction, Scottish fiction
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06-12-2018 08:45 AM #90This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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