This law brought in because of an over reaction from the government after an Old Firm game and minor bother at an Edinburgh derby. The law was wrong from the outset as it was discriminatory against football fans. Existing laws were sufficient to deal with anyone who breaks the law. I for one will be delighted when it’s gone then maybe our politicians will get with actually doing something to eliminate sectarianism in our society
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27-01-2018 11:43 AM #31
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But instead a blind eye is turned to anti-Catholic or pro-terrorist singing, which effectively normalises such behaviour.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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28-01-2018 01:01 PM #33johnbc70Left by mutual consent!
Already on the Ross C v The Rangers game I have heard how they are up to their knees in Fenian blood and the game has not even started.
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28-01-2018 01:14 PM #34This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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It's just a shame that the powers that be have neither the will nor desire to deal with it.
There are a number of clubs fans who are guilty of crossing the line between banter and downright offensive.
In particular;
The Rangers Tribute Act have shown regularly that they are just as bad as their dead originals.
Celtic being regularly punished by UEFA highlights the tip of the iceberg in relation to what they get up to on a weekly basis.
The SFA don't have the will, desire or bottle to address either half of the Ugly Sisters.
The Celtic fans led FAC - Fans Against Criminalisation - Sums this lot up.
Here's an idea and it's one i've implemented for over 40 years of attending football - Go to the game, behave like a human being in relation to how you think others would like to be treated. Enjoy the match (not always easy), then go home (via the boozer). I don't think i've ever at any point 'worried/thought overly' about the legislation simply because i'm not a total ********. (I did say not a total).
Only my opinion for what it's worth.
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28-01-2018 09:41 PM #36
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Don’t get confused with a law tackling sectarianism and a discriminatory law against football fans. I don’t want to get political, but Kenny MacSkill got it wrong from the start a bit like the BTP and Police Scotland merger
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28-01-2018 10:21 PM #37This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The so called discrimination you speak of regarding football fans exists because there are NO other sports in Scotland that require to be addressed in relation to the offences/crimes that this legislation covers. At no point have i thought/said that it was the cure-all fix to the poisonous bile and bigotry that exists in some areas of Scottish society but it was a start/attempt to address the issues surrounding football supporter related incidents in a manner that would be high profile. Let's not forget, and as you've mentioned yourself, that it all came about as a result of a 'Summit' involving the ScottishGovernment, the SFA and "Old-Firm' representatives after the touch line spat between Lenny/McCoist and the historic spikes in arrests at that fixture.
I don't want to get political either but the rationale behind the legislation was sound, MacAskill - as a solicitor in a previous life - would not have simply 'done his job' as the Justice Minister, there was a high degree of credibility involved here so he would have applied his previous knowledge/experience in relation to the Act.
With you not wanting to get political you'll need to clarify for me what the BTP and Police Scotland has to do with this.
However, and to be political and to seek clarification, the BTP/Police Scotland merger was pushed through the Scottish Parliament in June 2017, Kenny MacAskill left the post of Cabinet Secretary for Justice in 2014 (replaced by Michael Matheson - who's still in post) so how exactly has he "got it wrong from the start a bit like the BTP and Police Scotland merger"?Last edited by JK Rolling; 28-01-2018 at 10:25 PM.
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28-01-2018 11:32 PM #38
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MacSkilll was the so called brains behind both the OFB and the police merger. Both were opposed by industry experts. The Offensive behaviour at football act was poor legislation from the outset, judges, lawyers, most football fans and human rights activists all agreed it was an unnecessary discriminatory law and ineffective in achieving stopping sectarianism at football and in society
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28-01-2018 11:40 PM #39
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I'd have thought the blue hun coat Potter wears trackside would almost certainly be offensive to most. He is one cretinous creature.
Mon the Cabbage!!!
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29-01-2018 06:55 AM #40
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Correct. The authorities could erradicate this problem virtually overnight if they really wanted to. Instead, they choose to give the illusion of tackling the issue. It's patently obvious they have their own agenda and are unprepared to stand up to Celtic and Sevco who need their "special atmosphere" to maintain their crowds and attraction to Sky and the media.
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29-01-2018 07:16 AM #42This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteEvery gimmick hungry yob,
Digging gold from rock and roll
Grabs the mic to tell us,
He'll die before he's sold.
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29-01-2018 07:16 AM #43This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Football has been too easy a whipping boy for politicians, particularly when there is a public 'event' to react to. Into this category I would place; Thatcher's intervention on all-seated grounds (after Heysel was it?), the example quoted above on Offensive Behaviour following OF grief and the massive and excessive police operation following our cup final.
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29-01-2018 07:20 AM #44This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
United we stand here....
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29-01-2018 07:25 AM #45
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29-01-2018 07:32 AM #46
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It's a pity the SFA don't have the baws to curtail the Neanderthals in the weege.
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29-01-2018 07:45 AM #47
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The flip side, is clubs should be leading by example. Celtic haven't been caught up in any wrong doing (yet) while Rangers are rotten to the core.
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The SFA will continue to turn a blind eye to it all. Perhaps the only hope is for the fans themselves to sort it out.Every gimmick hungry yob,
Digging gold from rock and roll
Grabs the mic to tell us,
He'll die before he's sold.
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29-01-2018 08:05 AM #49This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
United we stand here....
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29-01-2018 08:17 AM #51
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Do previous convictions get quashed?
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And this is the crux of the matter.
Why aren't Police Scotland prioritising it?
Why aren't Sturgeon and Matheson demanding that Police Scotland target it?
Why aren't journalists, media and commentators pointing it out every time it happens and raising the same holy hell they did over our cup final?
Why are the SFA failing to confront it?
Why aren't the clubs involved making examples of offenders to discourage others?
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United we stand here....
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It is also the single biggest corrupting factor in the quality and vitality of our game. It leads to a completely imbalanced league that stifles proper competition and in turn weakens our performances in Europe and internationally.
It is like watching two vampires gorging on the living, relentlessly.
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29-01-2018 09:14 AM #60
The only problem with the OBFA was that it gave the impression that Scottish football fans are 90 minute bigots when the truth is that they have deeply held beliefs that guide every part of their lives.
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