Watched this during the week, thought it was fantastic. Not sure why Bain is getting so much stick, the reason for their problems was their owner. Looking forward to next series
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12-01-2019 12:21 PM #61
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12-01-2019 12:23 PM #62
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12-01-2019 12:33 PM #63This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Is there going to be a second series?
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12-01-2019 12:50 PM #64
Very good documentary, looking forward to any future series.
The minute they let Lewis Grabban leave they were doomed. Chris Coleman has to take some blame in that. He was replaced by Ashley Fletcher who was a huge flop. Some pretty bad decisions too. I think they were chopping and changing their keepers regularly too? Seem to remember 3 different ones.
Years of mismanagement has resulted in them being in this position. I get the impression that bang average players were quite happy to come and play for Sunderland for pots of cash but not actually give 2 ****s about the club. Newcastle for me are pretty similar.
Wonder if it's a north east thing as in players just don't take to the place?
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12-01-2019 12:57 PM #65
Aidan McGeady was also quite scathing about the management - not sure if he was talking about Grayson or Coleman however he pretty much said that even when they had been pumped when they returned to training it was all jokes like it never happened.
They do seem to be in a better place now.
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12-01-2019 01:01 PM #66This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
For all I now have an affinity towards Sunderland I had to chuckle at the Newcastle fans singing at their game through the week "we saw you crying on Netflix."
With the recent chat re their finances - they are still carrying some players on whopping salaries. For all they're at least currently getting a tune out of them, Oviedo and Cattermole will be on crazy wages. There are still a few more, like Adam Matthews, who will be on a decent whack. Any of them leave then they've got money for a few Scott Allans with a fair bit still being saved on top.Last edited by Smartie; 12-01-2019 at 01:05 PM.
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12-01-2019 01:10 PM #67
Grayson was a pundit on BT recently and they asked him about the series. He pointed out that Coleman had significantly more games in charge that season than he did. I think the editing made it feel like Coleman was there around the same amount of time or less and that was maybe designed to elicit more sympathy for him.
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12-01-2019 01:18 PM #68This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Whilst I don't think either manager was really to blame for their problems, if either of them had managed to get their hands on an average keeper they'd have stayed up.
If they'd have stayed up I think they'd have struggled badly again this season - they've needed another relegation to get a winning habit and a bit of confidence back. Good to see that a large chunk of their fans have stuck by them too.
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12-01-2019 01:47 PM #69
Watched the whole thing start to end the other weekend. Thought it was brilliant.
Pretty sure I’ll be in the minority here, but I thought Martin Bain came across quite well. Genuinely seemed to care unlike the new boys that came in at the end.
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12-01-2019 02:56 PM #70
Finished watching it recently. Great viewing although car crash material at times. Jack Rodwell came across as a nasty piece of work. Bled the club dry of money that could have been used to keep them up. Absolute hate figure for Sunderland fans still. I thought Grayson was out of his depth and Coleman needed a bad cop assistant to his good cop.
I saw Ashley Fletcher and Paddy McNair playing for Middlesbrough last Saturday. McNair cost them £5.5m but didn’t look anything special. Fletcher looked a player though.
My only real quibble was the portrayal of the fan base. Having lived down there I’d say at least 50% of their fans live in parts of County Durham outside Sunderland and this wasn’t really given any coverage at all. The passion they have for the club came across well though.
Series two should be an interesting contrast."Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.' - Paulo Freire
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12-01-2019 03:08 PM #71This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-01-2019 03:23 PM #72
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Grabban's attitude though??😮.I also think bain was a decent guy trying hard for them,but it all came across a bit amateurish the transfer side of it and scouting.they had ibra on there target list!!😂.
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12-01-2019 03:57 PM #73This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.' - Paulo Freire
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Probably not and it would have probably been at a significant reduction. Even a £5k a week reduction is a massive hit over a 2 year contract that I think he has left, if he was to lose £10-20k a week which is entirely possible then I can quite understand why he felt he had no choice but to sit tight.
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12-01-2019 04:16 PM #75This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Rodwell came across as a Dick but not his fault he had that contract and the club couldn't pay him off.
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12-01-2019 04:20 PM #77This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It seems Sunderland were able to tear up his contract after relegation anyway so it would surely have made some senss to plan ahead and make the move to potentially help both parties. Whilst I'm sure Blackburn pay well he won't be on £70K now so he really only delayed the inevitable for 4 months pay.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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12-01-2019 04:26 PM #78
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The thing about these kind of documentaries is they really get you to feel like you know the player. Williams was let go by Palace reluctantly and has now gone to Charlton, currently battling it out with Sunderland at the top of the third division (yep I'm still calling it that, sue me). I'll be keeping an eye on how he gets on.
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12-01-2019 04:34 PM #80This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I absolutely get he had a contract and it was Sunderlands **** up. On the flip side a wage drop was inevitable anyway and ultimately had he made a move 6 months earlier his lifestyle would have remained relatively unchanged.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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Thought it was a wee bit awkward when he was saying his goodbyes and one of the other players didn’t seem to know or care it was his last day. Strikes me as someone that maybe doesn’t fit in as a typical footballer.
I agree he came across really well though.
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He seemed almost verging on a loner at times. I found it quite hard to watch when he spoke about living on his own and having no one to talk too. You can see whe he sought help with his confidence issues.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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12-01-2019 04:48 PM #83
Shambles of a club. Seem to be making hard work of the English League One now too. Makes you wonder why McGeough went there. No real sympathy for them. The only two times I've encountered their support at Easter Road they were grade A roasters.
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12-01-2019 04:56 PM #85
It was a great series, and the theme song was harrowing! A really good listen - Shipyards by the Lake Poets.
I'm sure we played them at ER just before the Celtic game that year. Hopefully they keep making the series and we get a glimpse of DM. Watching it you wonder how the hell they managed to persuade players to go.
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In saying that though, if I was Jack Ross I’d insist on the cameras ****ing right off. It’s a hard enough job as it is without cameras following you and the players around.
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12-01-2019 05:12 PM #88
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12-01-2019 05:19 PM #90
Looked to be an absolute shambles.
Never been too bothered about Sunderland as a club but while they have a Hibs Scottish Cup winning legend playing for them, I’ll be looking out for their results and wish them all the best.
Same goes for Aston Villa at the moment.
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