Old Firm Documentary from 1974

***Carheenlea*** · 06-11-2017 05:38 PM

Came across this interesting, but at times alarming short documentary film about The Old Firm from 1974. Interviews, great 70's fan fashions, arrests, pitch invasions, an author who was pretty much rewriting history with some wildly inaccurate information and Willie Waddell casually brushing off violence towards women and hoping that the Rangers "traditions" never changed.

***bigwheel*** · 06-11-2017 06:04 PM

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Came across this interesting, but at times alarming short documentary film about The Old Firm from 1974. Interviews, great 70's fan fashions, arrests, pitch invasions, an author who was pretty much rewriting history with some wildly inaccurate information and Willie Waddell casually brushing off violence towards women and hoping that the Rangers "traditions" never changed.

watching this just now...interesting social history piece..thanks for sharing.

**Hi Heid Yin** · 06-11-2017 06:55 PM

And there you have it, from the mouth of the great Jock Stein himself: "Scottish football would be nothing without Celtic and Rangers"
If we all truly believed this, Jock, then why do so many of us outwith the now defunct "auld firm" follow so many other teams?

***Newcastlehibby*** · 06-11-2017 07:05 PM

Willie Waddell doesn't half remind me of Rab C Nesbitt. Great film.

***bigwheel*** · 06-11-2017 07:08 PM

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Willie Waddell doesn't half remind me of Rab C Nesbitt. Great film.

Ha! and how odd does Desmond White come over??

***Newcastlehibby*** · 06-11-2017 07:16 PM

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Ha! and how odd does Desmond White come over??

Strange elocution lessons he's had.

***bigwheel*** · 06-11-2017 07:18 PM

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Strange elocution lessons he's had.

He certainly has , I agree.....

***blackpoolhibs*** · 06-11-2017 07:30 PM

Some of the health and safety on those building sites are seen today in gorgie.

**Joe6-2** · 06-11-2017 07:48 PM

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And there you have it, from the mouth of the great Jock Stein himself: "Scottish football would be nothing without Celtic and Rangers"
If we all truly believed this, Jock, then why do so many of us outwith the now defunct "auld firm" follow so many other teams?

They are still of this same belief, but if it wasn't for the rest of us, who the ****** would they play every week, each other!

**Hi Heid Yin** · 06-11-2017 08:02 PM

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They are still of this same belief, but if it wasn't for the rest of us, who the ****** would they play every week, each other!

***Eyrie*** · 06-11-2017 08:24 PM

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They are still of this same belief, but if it wasn't for the rest of us, who the ****** would they play every week, each other!

I just wish the rest of us would remember that when it comes to negotiating prize money and other deals.

***Carheenlea*** · 07-11-2017 08:47 AM

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And there you have it, from the mouth of the great Jock Stein himself: "Scottish football would be nothing without Celtic and Rangers"
If we all truly believed this, Jock, then why do so many of us outwith the now defunct "auld firm" follow so many other teams?

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They are still of this same belief, but if it wasn't for the rest of us, who the ****** would they play every week, each other!

It's no wonder Eddie Turnbull didn't like Jock Stein back then with his disregard for anyone outwith the Old Firm.

**Hi Heid Yin** · 07-11-2017 09:53 AM

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It's no wonder Eddie Turnbull didn't like Jock Stein back then with his disregard for anyone outwith the Old Firm.

True.
It also grates that Jock Stein managed us briefly between 1964-65 and then went on to disrespect our great club by implication when making his infamous: " Scottish football is nothing without Celtic and Rangers"

**HIBERNIAN-0762** · 07-11-2017 06:56 PM

Great documentary, no mean city indeed, the hate is still there and always will be sadly.

**SonOfDavidFrancey** · 07-11-2017 08:11 PM

Enjoyed this. Very stately, thoughtful pace to it. Enjoyed Jimmy Reid's interview. Shots of early Kingston Bridge with hardly a car on it striking as well.

**~~G B Young~~** · 07-11-2017 09:21 PM

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Enjoyed this. Very stately, thoughtful pace to it. Enjoyed Jimmy Reid's interview. Shots of early Kingston Bridge with hardly a car on it striking as well.

Compelling and repellent in equal measure.

Yes, Jimmy Reid nailed it, I felt, by musing over how there's too much pressure put on football to give people a sense of identity, particularly in huge working class areas of cities like Glasgow. It was partly to do with the filthy state Glasgow was in back then (yes, there are still vast areas of wasteland but it's had a hell of clean-up since those days), but there was something depressing about watching the utter and total dedication of their existence to the Old Firm that some of those fans had.

Out of interest, what was it like going to the old Ibrox as a Hibs fan?!

**NAE NOOKIE** · 07-11-2017 10:24 PM

Arrogant assholes then, arrogant assholes now. Every time I see stuff like that I'm glad I'm a Hibby

**~~Scott Allan Key~~** · 07-11-2017 10:27 PM

Ricky Jackson-Celtc minded.

**Sammy7nil** · 07-11-2017 11:05 PM

Thx that is well worth a watch very good social.history still going on today

I remember those crowds and building sites what Health and Safety

Willie Waddell comes across as a complete C0CK of a man.

**monktonharp** · 07-11-2017 11:37 PM

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Compelling and repellent in equal measure.

Yes, Jimmy Reid nailed it, I felt, by musing over how there's too much pressure put on football to give people a sense of identity, particularly in huge working class areas of cities like Glasgow. It was partly to do with the filthy state Glasgow was in back then (yes, there are still vast areas of wasteland but it's had a hell of clean-up since those days), but there was something depressing about watching the utter and total dedication of their existence to the Old Firm that some of those fans had.

Out of interest, what was it like going to the old Ibrox as a Hibs fan?!

they used to welcome us, like welcoming a ferret in yer bed when yer half pissed and needing to get up for work in the morning. ! summed up a lot, by Waddelll though. hope no one on hear actually bought a car from him on Slateford road. he liked what he saw, and wanted it to stay as it was. the other side, well they seemed to like it quite fine too. Hanley summed it up better I thought, although he did lean to one side 's view a bit. good view of how things were, and gives an insight as to how the current situation is formed. well done for digging this one up.

**houstonhibbee** · 08-11-2017 02:52 AM

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they used to welcome us, like welcoming a ferret in yer bed when yer half pissed and needing to get up for work in the morning. ! summed up a lot, by Waddelll though. hope no one on hear actually bought a car from him on Slateford road. he liked what he saw, and wanted it to stay as it was. the other side, well they seemed to like it quite fine too. Hanley summed it up better I thought, although he did lean to one side 's view a bit. good view of how things were, and gives an insight as to how the current situation is formed. well done for digging this one up.

That was Willie Woodburn not Waddell

***Ringothedog*** · 08-11-2017 07:37 AM

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True.
It also grates that Jock Stein managed us briefly between 1964-65 and then went on to disrespect our great club by implication when making his infamous: " Scottish football is nothing without Celtic and Rangers"

I can't forgive him for the way he left us, if he had stayed we had a great chance of winning either the league or cup and potentially both.

**~~G B Young~~** · 08-11-2017 08:04 AM

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Thx that is well worth a watch very good social.history still going on today

I remember those crowds and building sites what Health and Safety

Willie Waddell comes across as a complete C0CK of a man.

Yes, a real old school 'Rangers man' absolutely at ease with the no Catholic ethos and also seemingly at ease with wives getting 'bashed around a bit' after a Rangers defeat.

He was, nevertheless, an outstanding manager for Kilmarnock and we owe him some thanks for their last-day win at Tynecastle to snatch the title from the yams. He also won Rangers a European trophy at the height of Celtic's greatest-ever era and was well ahead of his time in overseeing the transformation of Ibrox into an all-seater stadium after the 70s disaster.

My grandad recalled him being known as 'the Deedle' (some sort of rhyming slang) and there was apparently a well known song about him called 'How can you buy Willie Waddell?'

***lapsedhibee*** · 08-11-2017 08:24 AM

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Ricky Jackson-Celtc minded.

"Celtc is us and we are Celtc. That's Celtc, in an eggshell."

***O'Rourke3*** · 08-11-2017 11:59 AM

Thanks for the post. That was well worth the watch.

Not a lot of change in the support. I enjoyed Cliff Hanley's unveiled and unedited views on the sadly deceased RFC. I knew who Waddel was but was unfamilier with the man himself, cleary Ricky Fulton's model for Rangers manager in his Scotch and Wry sketch. Jimmy Reid stands out on his oppinions and observations..