Have Nottingham Forest gone too far with their statement ? , Or is it just a case of enough is enough after they've claimed that it's happening to them week after week. Surely they'll have evidence to back up their claims that Atwell is in fact a Luton fan .
I see they've now released another statement formally requesting the VAR Audio to be released publicly. Interesting to see how this pans out .
I think the English FA will probably hammer them for it though when you think how much it could cost them you can understand their anger at the dreadful decisions they've been getting.
Which I suppose is much like our own situation this season too .
Why has things seemingly got worse since the introduction of VAR when it was supposed to help and improve the game ? .
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport...ttwell-9240089
https://www.nottinghamforest.news/20...ingham-forest/
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22-04-2024 04:36 PM #1
Nottingham Forest Statement
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22-04-2024 04:59 PM #2
Think it has to happen. Far too many apologies. Arsenal Vs Brentford incident last season. Liverpool Vs Spurs one this season. The refs freelancing in the middle east is very dodgy. It's been a terrible couple of years for refs in England.
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22-04-2024 05:29 PM #3
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Goes back to the conversations we've had on this forum about our own gripes with decisions. VAR has only highlighted the ineptitude of a lot of officials.
But VAR itself is part of the problem, before VAR we'd all have a moan at decisions and perhaps move on depending on the severity of it (Griffiths ghost goal took a while to get over for example). Now though we expect a flawless perfect game from our own perspective on the rules, and I'm not sure we're ever going to get that. Even when sitting around a table at a pub not everyone even agrees on decisions.
I don't see how it gets better other than ditching VAR but it doesn't really solve the ineptitude problem.
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22-04-2024 06:11 PM #5
I thought Forrest had 3 very good cases for penalties though Dermot Gallagher doing his best not to go against a fellow official.
https://www.skysports.com/football/n...20change%20him.
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22-04-2024 06:14 PM #6
I think the fact that they've pointed out the VAR official was '...a Luton Town fan...' crosses a threshold. I'm all for calling out incompetence where it raises its head, but that is suggesting a self-preserving agenda that infers full-blown corruption. Without actual evidence, that's at the very least 'bringing the game into disrepute' for me.
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22-04-2024 06:15 PM #7
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I see someone replied below the first article
''Do not forget that Forest are only in the PL because of 2 very dodgy penalty decisions v Huddersfield in the play off final. Off course the previous manager's father is a top referees' official which no doubt helped. Perhaps dubious owners in glasshouses should not throw stones for all sorts of reasons''
The EPL is a corrupt and dysfunctional money and power sick mess now with endless statements from rich clubs and their high paid lawyers are never far away just in case someone tries to control their manipulations of right and wrong.Last edited by PHeffernan; 22-04-2024 at 06:31 PM.
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22-04-2024 06:18 PM #8
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22-04-2024 06:28 PM #9
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3 penalty claims of which only 1 was a definite, 1 a maybe aye, maybe naw and 1 a definite no.
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22-04-2024 06:46 PM #11
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The interesting bit is when they are looking at the second incident, the handball, and he says in Scotland all such incidents are given as penalties but not in England.
I would prefer if we adopted the English threshold for handball penalties. There are far to many given.
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22-04-2024 06:55 PM #12
I could argue against every penalty ever awarded against Hibs and could argue a case for awarding Hibs penalties for the softest of claims.
If I was a referee I couldn’t be trusted to officiate a game involving Hibs, and by the same token, I couldn’t be trusted to officiate a game involving Hearts.Last edited by Carheenlea; 22-04-2024 at 07:30 PM.
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22-04-2024 07:25 PM #14
Ridiculous statement. The media chat should’ve been all about how they were absolutely sawn off on 3 penalty decisions. It’s now about them being ********s.
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I would be of the opinion that the handball would be given more times than not in England as going by the letter of the law his arm was in an unnatural position.
Handball rule hasn't helped the game and has only complicated things much like the offside rule too imo .
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22-04-2024 08:01 PM #16
Didn't think the handball was a penalty, how is he supposed to get his hand out the way, the 1st was possibly a penalty and the other was a definite, thought the statement was OTT
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22-04-2024 08:47 PM #17
They're on dangerous ground I would think. They have a point but to call out the integrity of the VAR official is pretty serious. He may be a Luton fan but they are saying that he can't do his job impartially which means he's corrupt. If Hudson Odoi missed an easy chance for them v Chelsea would they say his mistake was down to him being a Chelsea fan? Somehow doubt it.
Odd as I think the blatant bias and corruption in Scotland needs called out and addressed but not sure Forest are victims of anything more than bad officiating. Clattenberg being at the club makes it interesting - does he go along with them calling out his former professionals as corrupt? Or is he behind it?! Lawyers will be all over this.Last edited by Baader; 22-04-2024 at 08:51 PM.
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22-04-2024 08:49 PM #18
Do Scottish refs declare who they support ?
I’m all for the Scottish refs being investigated as they have been awful and some decisions shocking.
Also ALL audio should be available for any decisions.
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22-04-2024 09:35 PM #20
A statement, released on Monday afternoon, read: “Nottingham Forest has today submitted a formal request to the PGMOL to release into the public domain the audio recordings between officials during yesterday’s match against Everton at Goodison Park.
“The club has requested this be shared for three key match incidents - Ashley Young’s challenge on Giovanni Reyna (24th minute), Ashley Young’s handball (44th minute) and Ashley Young’s challenge on Callum Hudson-Odoi (56th minute).
did he have a good game
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We’ve all drafted that e-mail and been told by a partner not to hit “send” until we’ve had a chance to sleep on it.
That statement was put out when we’d still be a foaming, incensed rage having left Easter Road and not yet reached the comfort of the pub.
It was so poorly handled, the fact they might have actually have had a point gets lost a bit.
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22-04-2024 10:07 PM #22
Don’t forget Forest have ex ref Clattenburg as their ref analysts so w he will know some info of what goes on and who each ref supports etc.
So does anyone know if Scottish refs are transparent about who they support or it is just all hush hush…???
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23-04-2024 12:06 AM #24
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23-04-2024 06:58 AM #26
I suppose one of the questions should be, are English referees as corrupt as Scottish officials? In my opinion, no, they're just in competent.
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23-04-2024 07:11 AM #27
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His arm was about as wide as it could be and stopped the ball reaching Chris wood on the 6 yard box
One of them I expect to be immediately given
Defenders cannot and should not be going about imitating birds in the 18 yard box
Imagine that's the last minute in the derby and Kyle rowles does the same - I doubt anyone on here would take the "can see why it wasn't given" lind
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Interesting if the FA put him at the city ground next week
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23-04-2024 07:52 AM #29
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Nothing will change until we get the audio as it happens. There must be clear communication.
Rugby has had it for years!
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