It might be the case that when they talk to us next it will be to announce the manager's departure.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Personally I think they will give him more time but it could go either way.
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15-04-2024 08:59 AM #31
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15-04-2024 09:01 AM #32This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-04-2024 09:14 AM #33
I’m sure we’ll hear from them when they’re trying to flog more season tickets or posting about the women’s team
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15-04-2024 09:35 AM #34This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We’re 7th and yes it’s not good enough but it’s not relegation.
The club will know it’s not good enough, no need for a statement.
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15-04-2024 09:39 AM #35
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If the club decide to keep him there won’t be a statement…it will be business as usual.
If they decide not to keep him there will be a statement.
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15-04-2024 11:30 AM #36
The money we have spent in the last two or three seasons compared to Killie, Dundee and St Mirren must be significant, possibly even on a par with Hearts in that period, if not more.
To finish outside of the top 6 given the investment in the team is as close to abject failure as you can get short of relegation. We have a massive job in the summer. Probably the last thing we need at this point is European football.
I watched Bournemouth hand Man United their arse on Saturday. OK an abject Man United, but Bournemouth made them look as bad as they were, they could, and should, have been 3 - 0 up at half time.
Is it too much to ask that our new minority owners bring Hibs up to that level in the context of our league?
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15-04-2024 11:45 AM #37
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Bottom line it's the players at fault as well imo really poor to watch not just this season you'd think they would be able to up their performance levels and show some consistency
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15-04-2024 11:47 AM #38This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
How do we go from that to "being in Europe is the last thing we need"?
That says it all for me. We're going backwards at a rate of knotts.
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15-04-2024 11:50 AM #39
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2001/02 10th
2002/03 7th
2003/04 8th
2004/05 3rd
2005/06 4th
2006/07 6th
2007/08 6th
2008/09 6th
2009/10 4th
2010/11 10th
2011/12 11th
2012/13 7th
2013/14 11th
2014/15 Championship
2015/16 Championship
2016/17 Championship
2017/18 4th
2018/19 5th
2019/20 7th
2020/21 3rd
2021/22 8th
2022/23 5th
2023/24 7th at best
24 seasons of the split, 13 x top 6 appearances.
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15-04-2024 12:24 PM #42This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Some of our fans really don't like our club very much and love to put a boot in.
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15-04-2024 01:30 PM #43This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-04-2024 01:33 PM #44
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But surely would make sense to sum things up and make any apologies the fans feel they’re due once it’s actually finished, rather than a “seeing as our season is pretty much done” type statement before we go into playing 5 more competitive games.
We don’t make official statements when knocked out the league cup in the group stages etc. Interviews and the like acknowledging the disappointing result is the norm. The new world of wanting ‘statements’ all the time is all a bit strange to me.
And I liked it when the word ‘statement’ usually meant we were about to laugh at how pathetic the rangers are.
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15-04-2024 01:44 PM #45
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Also, while obviously we are all entitled to our opinions, many thinking that Maolida is not good enough for Hibs, and others (or maybe the same ones) thinking that we should have a complete clear out and instantly build a winning team from scratch, beggars belief!
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15-04-2024 01:49 PM #46This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Mowbay, Collins, Lennon and Mixu had 100% 2/2 seasons top six finishes.
Yogi and Lee Johnson 1/1 100%
Ross and Mcleish 1/2 50%
Bobby Williamson, Fenlon, Butcher, Montgomery, Maloney and Calderwood all failed to get a top six finish (although these last two didnt get more than half of a full season, Calderwood got two halfs)
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15-04-2024 01:59 PM #47This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-04-2024 02:17 PM #48This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
But I will agree, I certainly don't like what the club has become, a joke.
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15-04-2024 03:30 PM #51This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Since the split after Mcleish we’ve had 15 managers. Even if you discount all the caretaker interim managers in that time (an incredible 13. 13! SDG has done it three times, Eddie May twice. Mad) those 15 managers have been afforded an average of 16 months each. And its amazing how many have been afforded almost exactly the same amount of time, just over one calendar year or just short of two seasons if you prefer (Collins and Calderwood 13 months, Yogi 14,Johnson15 Mixu 16. The longest server has been Lennon at 2 years and 5 months.
Its a sad indictment of performance, recruitment and retention over twenty plus years. I know modern football when you’re a club of our size, tends to be like that, transient, but id hazard a guess if you look at similar sized clubs we’d be an outlier.Last edited by hibsbollah; 15-04-2024 at 03:38 PM.
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15-04-2024 04:00 PM #53
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If you compare us to a team down south then I reckon Spurs would probably be a fair comparison. Expected to be up and around the Euro spots, never expected to win the league. They’ve had 12. Aston Villa could probably be argued to be similar. They’ve had14.
In terms of the Scottish teams that we could probably be grouped with, we’re bang on the average of 15, so definitely not an outlier. If you throw Spurs and Villa into the mix then it comes down to 14. Not really an outlier again.
As a comparison, people keep claiming we’re becoming like Watford. In the same period, they’ve had 23 and are currently without a manager. They’ve had the 15 managers we’ve had since McLeish left (will be 16 when they appoint a new one) in the time we’ve had 7. The idea we’re becoming ‘like them’ is miles off it.Last edited by Stubbsy90+2; 15-04-2024 at 04:07 PM.
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15-04-2024 04:09 PM #54
Should be saying " Sorry for employing a rookie manager from a sub - standard league ".
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15-04-2024 04:13 PM #55
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I don't even think its the number of managers....but the fact that the longest in post was for 2.5 years is pretty staggering.
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15-04-2024 04:38 PM #57
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The thing that stands out for me is that all the managers listed above all came in the door and done fairly well from the off, hence why they got given time. They earned it.
Levein came in to Hearts and finished 5th, 5th, 3rd, 3rd. Calderwood came in and finished 4th, 6th, 3rd, 4th and 4th and McInnes came in and finished 3rd with a cup win, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 4th, 4th and then was eventually sacked when they ended up in the bottom 6. Even Jeffries in the 90s, came in, got 4th and a cup final, 4th and a cup final, 3rd and a cup win. Dundee United had Levein, Houston and McNamara over a 9 year period which saw them finish 9th (they had 8 points after 12 games when Levein came in) 5th, 5th, 3rd (and cup), 4th, 4th, 6th, 4th, 5th.
We don’t really have anyone to compare that to other than Mowbray, who we of course never sacked. From looking at our records, I’d suggest we’re in no way an outlier and we all treat managers much the same, with Hearts being the potential outlier.
If they’re doing well, we all keep them (with Hearts being a slight outlier for a period), if they’re not, we all sack them. If they’ve previously done well but then start failing, we all sack them.
The idea we’ve got some highly undesirable record in terms of sacking managers doesn’t really stand up to much scrutiny. We’re much the same as anyone else and if a manager doesn’t want our job because he might get sacked then he’ll have slim pickings in terms of job opportunities as we’re much the same as most teams. Given our lack of sustained success compared to the other 3 teams, there could be a genuine argument put forward that we give failing managers longer than others.Last edited by Stubbsy90+2; 15-04-2024 at 05:20 PM.
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15-04-2024 04:41 PM #58This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-04-2024 04:45 PM #59This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I might have just walked into a 'D'uh' moment here though.....
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15-04-2024 04:53 PM #60This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Monty...d'uh......
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