Most folk knew Johnson was on borrowed time and shouldn't have been given the summer to then be sacked 3 games into the season.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We're in danger of repeating the same scenario only 12 months later.
It won't be long before it's another inevitable season of transition and the new man needs time, his own window etc, etc.
Rinse and repeat.
Get him out now.
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Thread: Is he staying?
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15-04-2024 10:01 AM #31
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15-04-2024 10:08 AM #32
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If he didn’t want to put himself in a position where he might get sacked after 8 months of continuous failure then he probably shouldn’t have taken the job.
The idea that the board of directors would be bad people for replacing someone who has completely failed at the job they were employed to do is mental imo.
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15-04-2024 10:09 AM #33This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-04-2024 11:23 AM #34This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's remarkable that season ticket sales have held up as well as they have in recent seasons but a dismal post-six set of games where we toy with getting dragged into the play-offs would surely dissuade some from renewing.
Other than that I can't, as you say, see the reaction being much more than ongoing apathy and a crossing of fingers that somehow things will be better next season. A baying mob with pitchforks descending on East Mains seems a long way off.
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15-04-2024 11:28 AM #35
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I think he’ll be gone. Any time new owners turn up at a club, they inherit people that weren’t their choices, so chances of change are high, regardless of performance.
Ultimately, the intent is for Hibs to play host to prospects from across the BK group, so I would assume they will want those prospects coached by folk who are up to that task, so unless we think Foley and co will have seen enough to think our current football related staff are capable of that, I’d expect to see a lot of change this summer.
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15-04-2024 11:36 AM #37This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He'll be interested in assessing the quality of Monty's coaching, get a feel of whether or not he's going to be able to develop players and how he handles giving them time in the first team. Our actual results will be secondary to him.
The Gordons, for all the criticisms we can throw at them, certainly have skin in the game and a desire for Ron's legacy to be a positive one.
Where that all cancels out, I don't know.
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15-04-2024 11:37 AM #38This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
However, the nature of a football manager's job is more cutthroat than it's ever been and it must be hard for those with young families to move them around the UK, let alone from the other side of the world. I have sympathy for him in that respect but I'd be surprised if it affected the ownership's thinking when it comes to a decision on his future. Mind you, we hear so little from them it's hard to know what they think. My guess, though, would be that they'll be very reluctant to acknowledge yet another managerial failure and will retain Monty on the basis they feel he needs longer to prove he can turn things around. He himself seemed relatively sure he was in this for the long haul when he spoke last week, although you got the impression that may have been dependent on reaching the top six.
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15-04-2024 11:55 AM #40
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Can our current coaches develop players and adequately prepare them for life at Lorient or Bournemouth will be at the top of the list, and given our issues this season, I’m not sure they’d get a passing mark on that front.
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15-04-2024 11:57 AM #41This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As a young footballer in my early 20s with few ties - of course I'd be making my way from Oz to Europe to try to progress upwards. Europe is where it's at for players.
As a Dad though, uprooting his family to come here to do a job that is notoriously short term, that's before you get onto Hibs being Hibs? I'd have been staying put for as long as possible, moving within Australia at a push.
I have a mate who stays out there and watches CCM - and there's absolutely no way you'd catch him moving back here in a million years, amazing quality of life.
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15-04-2024 11:58 AM #42This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You don't know. Why state it as fact?
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15-04-2024 12:57 PM #43This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-04-2024 01:00 PM #44
It may be that they wait until the next 5 weeks are over before deciding. Obv if we get 15 out of 15 (lol) that would be a better finish than 0 out of 15. It's also not clear that removing him would help the players right now in terms of confidence/maximising points.
It may also be a contractual point or sounding out successors for all that we know.
Equally he may be sacked at the exact moment I'm posting this...
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15-04-2024 01:08 PM #45
Shocking that the club never acted this morning in my opinion. There is zero benefit to delaying this. He is finished now. He will never win back the trust of the fans.
Every day we delay hurts the club and is a failure by the board.
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15-04-2024 01:11 PM #46
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I don’t think the board will take too much notice of a few moans on here.
Whether the manager stays or goes will be down to attendances in next home games and season ticket renewals .
It’s all down to pounds/pence at end of day
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We have had no luck either with injuries or decisions this season and we have definitely improved since the January window though admittedly the results don't particularly show that.
Personally I think we probably need to change but it's not outrageous to think he might get more time.
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15-04-2024 01:28 PM #49This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
These are all tough calls, where the decision makers come under severe pressure from fans to deviate from a medium to long term plan.
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15-04-2024 01:33 PM #50
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Johnson could point to having to try and compete in Europe at the start of this league campaign. From the previous campaign he could point to injuries, such as Nisbet being injured for the first half of the campaign, Boyle missing the last two third of the campaign and and the sale of Porteous.
Maloney could point to the sale of Boyle the minute he walked in the door, the loss of Nisbet to injury, the fact he had to play James Scott as a lone striker such was the standard of the squad.
Montgomery isn’t the only manager to have to deal with adversity.
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15-04-2024 01:38 PM #51This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Maloney had absolutely horrendous attacking options whilst Lee Johnson also had a lot of injuries to deal with at times. I want to say there was a whole LJ had 9 or so players out.
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NM was appointed on 11th September, so has been in place for just 7 months.
He had no previous experience of managing outside Australia.
He has had one transfer window to improve his squad, but was still hampered by the ineffective signings of previous failed managers.
Given the high number of blatantly wrong VAR decisions given against us, which prevented us finishing in the top 6, imo no other SPFL has experieced this handicap and cannot be ignored when assessing his performance.
It was not Montgomery's fault that Hibs offered him the job in the first place and there was plenty on here that favoured him.
There is not a universal public clamour for his dismissal inside the ground during matches, and hopefully the Club will stand firm and ignore the sacking chatter of those on the internet who represent a minority of those who actually pay to attend the matches.
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15-04-2024 02:19 PM #56
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What about the lack of wins as a headline amid pretty ordinary competition, sticking rigidly to a formation that clearly wasnt working, improving any of our existing players or molding them into a system that might work. An inability to change a game that from an early stage looks like its getting away from us, curious substitutions to say the least, inability to break teams down that sit in, pedestrian paced football that often resembles a pre season friendly, i could go on.
Not impressed with Monty at all Im afraid.
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15-04-2024 03:27 PM #60
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Hibs have not performed well under pressure this season so it will be interesting to see how we do in the last 5 games with a lot of the pressure off. We have obviously failed to win a lot of big games and generally drawn too many.i dont think we've lost too many games by big margins and it's been widely acknowledged by the support we've been on the wrong end of terrible refereeing decisions - often at key times.
McInnes has shown what is possible at Killie given time and a season to adapt to the league. If things pick up a bit in the remaining games, I'd rather give Montgomery more time rather than going through the process and cost of chopping and changing managers and starting from scratch all over again.
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