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    Clearout (AGAIN)

    We’re two or three seasons past needing a Stubbs-esque clearout/rebuild. Fortunately a number of players are out of contract in the summer. Obviously it’s something that will take a number of windows but what’s everyone’s thoughts on the squad and next season? For me:

    New GK

    Obita
    New CB
    New CB
    Cadden

    NMW
    Amos/new CM depending on fitness
    New AM

    Maolida/new LW
    New CF
    New RW

    EXPENDABLE/BACK UPS
    Boyle
    Newell
    Youan (would cash in for the rebuild)
    Miller
    Rocky
    ALF
    Vente (probably try and get our money back)
    Marshall (another year if a low wage)
    Campbell (cash in for rebuild if we can get a fee)
    Triantis (if cheap and as a DM)

    ACTIVELY TRY AND MOVE ON
    Mclelland
    Tait
    Henderson
    Kenneh
    Mckirdy
    Mackay
    Hanlon
    Stevenson
    Harbottle
    JDH
    Levitt
    Wollacot
    Tavares
    Delfierre
    Don’t keep any of the loans (Emiliano, Mayenda, Fish)

    YOUNGSTERS - make decisions on:
    Megwa
    Boruc
    Johnson
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    There is no argument to keep Marshall. Guy is poor and 1000 years old. Probably time to move Campbell on too. Mostly agree otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    There is no argument to keep Marshall. Guy is poor and 1000 years old. Probably time to move Campbell on too. Mostly agree otherwise.
    Marshall should retire before it gets really uncomfortable to watch.

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    I’d be cashing in on almost every player possible.

    Cadden would be on my to go list too, we concede far too many goals when he plays (not all directly his fault but can’t be a coincidence) feel he never takes charge defensively and rarely gets the better of his man.

    Genuinely Moriah-Welsh is the only permanent player I like.

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    Its unrealistic to think we can afford a clear out on this scale. There are good or potentially good players in that list. People don't seem to talk about the team having a spine these days do they? Remember when we had a spine of Sauzee, Latepy and Mixu....other mediocre players around them were suddenly good players. Key as others have said is a commanding leader at the back, a dynamo in midfield and a reliable goal scorer. Oh and perhaps a manager who know what he's doing.

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    I’d get rid of Cadden, he’s pish

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    Marshall should retire before it gets really uncomfortable to watch.
    Last season?

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    There is no argument to keep Marshall. Guy is poor and 1000 years old. Probably time to move Campbell on too. Mostly agree otherwise.
    Quite a few times this year we had a really weak bench and for that reason I'd keep Marshall as a backup keeper , Campbell is also a useful squad player to have as well with his workrate, important goals and able to play a few positions. He's also 23 so has time to improve as well .

    Newell would be a decent back up as well though at 31 his best years are probably behind him so I wouldn't be to pushed if we moved him on as he's probably one of our higher earners at the club too.

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    Quite a few times this year we had a really weak bench and for that reason I'd keep Marshall as a backup keeper , Campbell is also a useful squad player to have as well with his workrate, important goals and able to play a few positions. He's also 23 so has time to improve as well .

    Newell would be a decent back up as well though at 31 his best years are probably behind him so I wouldn't be to pushed if we moved him on as he's probably one of our higher earners at the club too.
    Campbell should move on. If we are aiming for better midfielders than Newell, Campbell wont get a sniff.

    Marshall is murder. Sign 2 goalies and move him on.

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    The following players are out of contract; would keep the ones in bold if we can:
    Marshall
    Hanlon
    Fish
    Mayenda
    Stevenson
    Maolida
    Le Fondre
    Marcondes
    Triantis

    This leaves us with a squad of (bold would definitely keep, italics would actively try to move):
    Miller
    Levitt
    Youan
    Doyle-Hayes
    Vente
    Boyle
    Newell
    Cadden
    Wollacott
    Amos
    Henderson
    Obita
    McKirdy
    Kenneh

    Boruc
    Harbottle
    MacKay
    Delferriere

    Moriah-Welsh
    Johnson
    Campbell
    Bushiri
    McClelland

    Molotnikov
    MacIntyre
    O'Connor
    McAllister
    Whittaker
    Megwa

    Aiken
    Landers
    Tait

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    Campbell should move on. If we are aiming for better midfielders than Newell, Campbell wont get a sniff.

    Marshall is murder. Sign 2 goalies and move him on.
    I don't know what our transfer budget will be in the summer though I doubt it will be a bottomless pit of money and the more we clearout the more we will need to spend . The likes of Marshall could be a decent backup keeper imo .

    Both Campbell and Newell would be decent squad players though Joe is probably one of our higher earners and Campbells young enough to improve yet with another year or two at us to make us a decent fee in the future.

    Certainly hope we find a good quality midfielder with leadership qualities who's consistent to take over from Newell which won't be cheap . Improving the first team while keeping a fairly decent squad is what I think we need to do .

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    We need a manager to get MORE out of the current squad. Until we replace Montgomery everything else is a secondary issue

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    I don't know what our transfer budget will be in the summer though I doubt it will be a bottomless pit of money and the more we clearout the more we will need to spend . The likes of Marshall could be a decent backup keeper imo .

    Both Campbell and Newell would be decent squad players though Joe is probably one of our higher earners and Campbells young enough to improve yet with another year or two at us to make us a decent fee in the future.

    Certainly hope we find a good quality midfielder with leadership qualities who's consistent to take over from Newell which won't be cheap . Improving the first team while keeping a fairly decent squad is what I think we need to do .
    Don't think Joe will be one of our higher earners, not anymore. Right now Youan, Boyle, Marcondes, Maolida, Vente and Alf are probably on more. Don't think any of them, bar Maolida obviously, are worth it based on this season.

    Campbell aint it. I know you like him, but he aint it.

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    Hibs' contractual situation going into the summer window:


    Contracted to 2027
    Josh Campbell


    Contracted to 2026
    Nathan Moriah Welsh (Hibs have option to extend contract to 2027)
    Dylan Levitt
    Elie Youan
    Dylan Vente
    Jojo Wollacott
    Jordan Obita
    Jair Tavares
    Rory Whittaker
    Josh Landers
    Riley Harbottle
    Rudi Molotnikov
    Oscar MacIntyre
    Allan Delferriere (MFK Vyskov have option to buy him at end of this season)


    Contracted to end of next season
    Lewis Miller (Hibs have option to extend contract to 2026)
    Martin Boyle (Hibs have option to extend contract to 2026)
    Luke Amos (Hibs have option to extend contract to 2026)
    Kyle McClelland (Hibs have option to extend contract to 2026)
    Jake Doyle Hayes
    Joe Newell
    Chris Cadden
    Rocky Bushiri
    Jacob MacIntyre
    Harry McKirdy
    Nohan Kenneh
    Max Boruc
    Dylan Tait
    Josh O'Connor
    Reuben McAllister
    Jacob Blaney
    Kanayo Megwa
    Murray Aiken
    Ewan Henderson (Oostende have option to buy him at end of this season)
    Daniel MacKay (Livingston have option to buy him at end of this season)


    Contracted to end of this season
    David Marshall
    Paul Hanlon
    Lewis Stevenson
    Adam Le Fondre
    Robbie Hamilton


    Loans to end of the season
    Emiliano Marcondes (Bournemouth contract runs out at end of the season also)
    Will Fish (Manchester United contract runs to end of next season)
    Myziane Maolida (Hertha Berlin contract runs to end of next season)
    Nectar Triantis (Sunderland contract runs to 2027)
    Eliezer Mayenda (Sunderland contract runs to 2028)

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    Don't think Joe will be one of our higher earners, not anymore. Right now Youan, Boyle, Marcondes, Maolida, Vente and Alf are probably on more. Don't think any of them, bar Maolida obviously, are worth it based on this season.

    Campbell aint it. I know you like him, but he aint it.
    Yeah I do like Campbell , young , works hard , scores goals , plays a few positions and a good Hibby to boot . Decent squad player to have . As I said we should be concentrating on improving the first team while keeping a fairly good squad as over the last two years we've struggled at times with not having options.

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    Scary thing is we have a squad of about 30 of which you’d keep maybe 4 or 5 of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShetlandHibby View Post
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    Scary thing is we have a squad of about 30 of which you’d keep maybe 4 or 5 of them.
    I don't know what's more terrifying.

    How crap that squad is?

    The size of the rebuild?

    Entrusting Montgomery with the job of rebuilding?

    It's grim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShetlandHibby View Post
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    Scary thing is we have a squad of about 30 of which you’d keep maybe 4 or 5 of them.
    But on the plus side we can look forward to a brand new team hopefully!!

    Whether with NM or not, if we replace most of the first team we should have a better chance of improved results.

    I'm kinda basing this on us having learnt our lessons from the last couple of summers, and that we sign players for the here and now to play from the get go.

    Really hoping we don't sign any more players for potential or that might come good. Get proper, proven players in this time.

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    Levitt
    Youan
    Vente
    Obita
    NMW
    Whittaker
    Landers
    Molotnikov
    Oscar Mac
    Jacob Mac
    Miller
    Boyle
    Amos
    Doyle-Hayes
    McAllister
    Blaney
    Aiken
    ALF
    Myziane (no chance unfortunately)

    Then rebuild from here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby View Post
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    Yeah I do like Campbell , young , works hard , scores goals , plays a few positions and a good Hibby to boot . Decent squad player to have . As I said we should be concentrating on improving the first team while keeping a fairly good squad as over the last two years we've struggled at times with not having options.
    He’s 23. It’s no that young.

    I dinnae expect him to be moved on, but if he’s getting regular football next season then it’s going to be a tough watch and a tough season.

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    A lot of that list aren't really first team players, so I would keep hold of the young guys making their way.

    I think at least Sixteen first team players won't be here next season:

    My guess is this lot will be gone:

    Marshall
    Hanlon
    Stevenson
    Le Fondre
    McKirdy
    Marcondes
    Fish
    Triantis
    Mayenda
    Tavares
    Harbottle
    Delfierre
    Henderson
    Mackay
    Kenneh
    Tait

    and probably Myziane Maolida as well (unfortunatley)

    That gives us a core 1st team of:

    Nathan Moriah Welsh
    Dylan Levitt
    Elie Youan
    Dylan Vente
    Martin Boyle
    Joe Newell
    Chris Cadden
    Jojo Wollacott
    Jordan Obita
    Lewis Miller
    Luke Amos
    Jake Doyle Hayes
    Rocky Bushiri

    Plus spaces for at least 10-12 incoming + the kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Modfather View Post
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    We’re two or three seasons past needing a Stubbs-esque clearout/rebuild. Fortunately a number of players are out of contract in the summer. Obviously it’s something that will take a number of windows but what’s everyone’s thoughts on the squad and next season? For me:

    New GK

    Obita
    New CB
    New CB
    Cadden

    NMW
    Amos/new CM depending on fitness
    New AM

    Maolida/new LW
    New CF
    New RW

    EXPENDABLE/BACK UPS
    Boyle
    Newell
    Youan (would cash in for the rebuild)
    Miller
    Rocky
    ALF
    Vente (probably try and get our money back)
    Marshall (another year if a low wage)
    Campbell (cash in for rebuild if we can get a fee)
    Triantis (if cheap and as a DM)

    ACTIVELY TRY AND MOVE ON
    Mclelland
    Tait
    Henderson
    Kenneh
    Mckirdy
    Mackay
    Hanlon
    Stevenson
    Harbottle
    JDH
    Levitt
    Wollacot
    Tavares
    Delfierre
    Don’t keep any of the loans (Emiliano, Mayenda, Fish)

    YOUNGSTERS - make decisions on:
    Megwa
    Boruc
    Johnson
    I think the club have to bite the bullet and shift as many of these players as they can, sell to whoever will buy the ones we don't want to keep and if we can't sell them, try to loan them out or just cut our losses and pay them off.

    It'll not be cheap, but we have owners and investors with deep pockets so if they're serious about wanting a team that can challenge, spend the money and fix the mistakes that have been made. I've not got a load of sympathy for super-rich folk having to pony up in these circumstances.

    It's not the fans that have got us in this position, if folk want to own a successful football club then it's on them to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Is It On.... View Post
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    We need a manager to get MORE out of the current squad. Until we replace Montgomery everything else is a secondary issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby View Post
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    Yeah I do like Campbell , young , works hard , scores goals , plays a few positions and a good Hibby to boot . Decent squad player to have . As I said we should be concentrating on improving the first team while keeping a fairly good squad as over the last two years we've struggled at times with not having options.
    Campbell came on against Motherwell on Saturday and attempted 8 passes - of those 8 attempted passes only one found a teammate. In the final 15 minutes of our tie to secure top 6 he gifted Motherwell possession 7 times!

    He has some strengths but he is an abysmal passer which will hold him back from being the standard required for where we aspire to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapitalGreen View Post
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    Campbell came on against Motherwell on Saturday and attempted 8 passes - of those 8 attempted passes only one found a teammate. In the final 15 minutes of our tie to secure top 6 he gifted Motherwell possession 7 times!

    He has some strengths but he is an abysmal passer which will hold him back from being the standard required for where we aspire to be.
    That’s a horrific stat.

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    Campbell came on against Motherwell on Saturday and attempted 8 passes - of those 8 attempted passes only one found a teammate. In the final 15 minutes of our tie to secure top 6 he gifted Motherwell possession 7 times!

    He has some strengths but he is an abysmal passer which will hold him back from being the standard required for where we aspire to be.
    I think a couple of managers have said he’s better without the ball!! So basically pressing then bursting into the box to score and that’s it.

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    So it’s clear to say our B / Team Development team plan was a total waste of money as many predicted?

    Oddly some fans have said when we won 5-1 in the testimonial recently it was some of the best football we have played all season.

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    I’d get rid of Cadden, he’s pish
    Really been very good since he came back

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    Campbell came on against Motherwell on Saturday and attempted 8 passes - of those 8 attempted passes only one found a teammate. In the final 15 minutes of our tie to secure top 6 he gifted Motherwell possession 7 times!

    He has some strengths but he is an abysmal passer which will hold him back from being the standard required for where we aspire to be.
    As to Campbell coming on against Motherwell , he's just back from a lengthy injury btw . I do agree that his passing is a part of his game that he needs to work on though at 23 there's still time for him to improve on that aspect of his game . I don't think I actually said it was one of his strengths .

    Which are his workrate , versatility and the knack of getting into good goalscoring positions . He's also contributed by scoring important goals over the last two seasons . Being a hibby I always get the feeling he'd go through a brick wall for the team too which is something we don't see with some other players .

    Maybe Monty will want to move him on , who knows . Though given a choice of taking someone off the bench that will put themselves about and might chip in with a goal , I'd have Campbell over Levitt everyday of the week . But that's just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby View Post
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    As to Campbell coming on against Motherwell , he's just back from a lengthy injury btw . I do agree that his passing is a part of his game that he needs to work on though at 23 there's still time for him to improve on that aspect of his game . I don't think I actually said it was one of his strengths .

    Which are his workrate , versatility and the knack of getting into good goalscoring positions . He's also contributed by scoring important goals over the last two seasons . Being a hibby I always get the feeling he'd go through a brick wall for the team too which is something we don't see with some other players .

    Maybe Monty will want to move him on , who knows . Though given a choice of taking someone off the bench that will put themselves about and might chip in with a goal , I'd have Campbell over Levitt everyday of the week . But that's just my opinion.

    https://youtu.be/lPa6QllAy7A?si=eRQ8x6oDElIjUUYZ
    He was constantly giving the ball away before he got injured. He can get into great positions and finish well but he just doesn't have the passing ability or pace to play at the level we are aspiring to. You just can't carry someone who is giving up possession as much. I think he would do well in the English lower leagues where you see more of a long ball game.

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