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15-04-2024 03:31 PM #151
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15-04-2024 04:03 PM #152This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-04-2024 04:10 PM #153
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15-04-2024 04:54 PM #154This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-04-2024 05:15 PM #155This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Fair dues to them for sticking with him through a really difficult season though . I think there's a lesson for us all in sacking a manager before he's had a proper chance to rebuild the squad especially one that's been failing repeatedly.
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15-04-2024 05:22 PM #156
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15-04-2024 05:57 PM #157
I think he has to go as he's done nothing at all to showcase his own beliefs or system. After January the squad was significantly strengthened and yet our best two performances of the season were against Luzern. His substitutions are incredible for all the wrong reasons and his slow ponderous style of play is mind numbingly boring. In short, there is not one single redeeming feature that would make me want to keep him.
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15-04-2024 06:47 PM #158This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Yes there is a lesson to be learned here, don't sit on yer hands hoping things will get better! Act and take control, the current manager has NOT been a good appointment he has had all but the first three league games and we are a poor side. In addition to being poor we are bad to watch, slow, eye bleeding stuff and the bulk of our support have given up on him as a result.
We do not want to get rid just for the sake of it, he has failed yet there are still the undecided urging a decision to stick.
I cannot see any way NM survives this and most likely a decision has already been agreed between our shareholders.
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15-04-2024 07:20 PM #159
No, I want him gone. I’m not saying he’s terrible, but I don’t think he will improve us. His football is boring; everything just feels flat at the club. Nothing personal against the man; I just think we should be doing better. Thanks for trying, but he isn’t for us.
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15-04-2024 07:25 PM #160
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You constantly refer to it as if the fact he didn’t get them top 4 last season is a failure. He got them promoted from a position where it looked far from certain they would. He then kept them up comfortably, which is really what’s to be expected from a newly promoted club with a budget like Kilmarnock.
He’s provided stability at Kilmarnock by doing everything asked of him and then exceeding it. Montgomery is providing complete instability at Hibs by missing targets which has a huge knock on effect going forward.
Sacking him may give us a bit of instability. But keeping him has also done exactly that. Well now be having to look at the players we were wanting to sign, re-evaluate who is likely to want to come to us considering we’re a bottom 6 side with no European football etc. That’s not stability, that’s throwing evrrythng up in the air.Last edited by Stubbsy90+2; 15-04-2024 at 07:30 PM.
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16-04-2024 10:14 AM #161This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The last 3 managers and now Monty too , folk have been complaining about the football that was/is being played yet quite a lot on here want to appoint Derek McInnes as manager. Takes some working out that one btw
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16-04-2024 10:45 AM #162
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Take Derek McInnes, just because you mentioned him in your post. He came in and improved things. Didn’t need to have a mass clear out, didn’t need lots of windows. He came in and improved on the previous manager instantly.
A decent manager can improve things instantly.Last edited by Stubbsy90+2; 16-04-2024 at 10:52 AM.
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16-04-2024 12:11 PM #163This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Here's a direct quote from him after getting promoted .... We don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves but what we do want to do is make sure we are not in a position next season where we are fighting relegation again.
Which is exactly WHAT THEY WERE THAT SEASON.... It was only after being given time in the following summer did McInnes improve the Killie team which is why this season he's doing good .
Since Derek McInnes has been appointed at Killie he's had about 3 transfer windows , two preseasons to get were they are today .
Our managers had 1 which is the worst and no pre-season as well as taking us over when bottom of the league.
Kilmarnock football club deserve enormous credit for sticking with their manager and at least giving him a fair chance to turn things around when they were struggling.
The way we have been going with managers I doubt we would have given McInnes the same time in their position or even now for that matter too.
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16-04-2024 12:26 PM #164
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I would expect Hibs to get Europe. Montgomery didn’t manage that though, yet you are insistent that McInnes managing to do what was expected of him is evidence of some form of struggle.
They finished 9 points clear of relegation. That’s not fighting relegation. They finished with about 30% more points than the team that got relegated. They finished with a points total that wouldn’t have come close to getting them relegated in any previous season. They even finished with a points total that left them 6 clear of the playoff, and a points total that also would never have come close to putting them in the playoff in previous seasons either.
You’re on another thread where someone has suggested we are in danger of dropping into the playoffs where you declared that the odds may as well be a million to one and you’ve more chance of winning the lottery. We’re 9 points ahead of that position. Yet you’re insistent that McInnes was battling relegation despite being 9 points clear of relegation. So, which is it?
Has Montgomery taken Hibs from European football last season to battling to avoid the playoffs this season?
I also note that McInnes has noted in the article you’ve linked that he met his targets last season, again, something which you continuously suggest he didn’t do and that he had a poor season where they would have expected more of him.Last edited by Stubbsy90+2; 16-04-2024 at 02:12 PM.
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16-04-2024 12:39 PM #165This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-04-2024 12:50 PM #166
All the things I liked about him in his first 3 months in the job are no longer present.
We were likely to concede goals but we were exciting going forward and played some lovely stuff. For the past 3-4 months the former is still the same and the excitement has pretty much evaporated despite having better players.
Normally I'd agree that a manger deserves time but this one haunts me of Butcher the way we are regressing.
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16-04-2024 04:31 PM #167
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16-04-2024 05:25 PM #168This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Monty took a team who were doing well in Australia and done well with them. They’re still doing well without him.
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16-04-2024 07:09 PM #169
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Despite all the so called improvement in some performances we are in the bottom 6 and for that alone means he needs to go. Johnson even got us into the top 6 (just). I actually thought Monty was the answer for a while but willing to admit he isnt.
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16-04-2024 07:43 PM #170
I would prefer Monty to say, but let’s say he goes. Who do we get.
I don’t believe mcinnes would leave Kilmarnock. Why would he. He doesn’t need the money. He has already shown loyalty is important to hi. He would be setting himself up to fail. He can continue to do well with killie.
Hibs would be mad to appoint Lennon and that’s not going to happen.
That leaves us with Robinson and docherty. Whilst each have positives, they could easily be no improvement.
I know I am in a minority but I have seen enough to believe Monty can be the right man. I get it’s been a below average season and there have been few stand out games. There have been stand out elements within games. Albeit some horror shows as well.
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16-04-2024 07:51 PM #171
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16-04-2024 08:06 PM #172This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’m not that bothered if Monty stays or goes, I just want the squad gutted either way. We should be asking Bournemouth about managers they are keeping an eye on in their succession planning. Maybe managers still working their way up the ladder who would be obtainable or come to us as part of working their way up the Black Knight ladder.
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16-04-2024 08:06 PM #173This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-04-2024 08:17 PM #175
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The playoff spot also isn’t relegation, as Donegal kept referring to. It’s a playoff spot. In terms of relegation as Donegal kept mentioning, they were nowhere near the relegation place.
At the end of the day, they finished miles ahead of Dundee United in the relegation spot and significantly ahead of Ross County in the playoff spot.
I couldn’t really care less where they gained their points. Their overall performance over the season lead to them avoiding relegation comfortably and avoiding the playoff by 6 points, again, a decent margin.Last edited by Stubbsy90+2; 16-04-2024 at 08:21 PM.
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16-04-2024 09:00 PM #176
I'd like him fired now and a new manager brought in shortly after. He's failed to get us into the top six and I honestly don't see anything that suggests he'd improve things next season. The fact we didn't address our defensive deficiencies in January is unforgivable and he and probably others are culpable for this.
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16-04-2024 09:07 PM #177
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I couldn't really care less whether or not you care where they got their points. The point still stands, they get a big advantage from their plastic pitch and could easily have been relegated without such an advantage. Yes they were 6 points ahead of Ross County, thanks to a win against them on the last day on said plastic, advantageous pitch. A loss would have had them in the playoffs as their goal difference was -27 compared to Ross County's -21 before the match.Last edited by 007; 16-04-2024 at 09:11 PM.
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16-04-2024 09:08 PM #178
Some people going to incredible lengths to defend Kilmarnock having a poor season a couple of years back in a way they never would if it were the team they support.
What a time to be alive.
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16-04-2024 09:13 PM #179This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Dundee Utd went down having the same points going into the split as Killie so I think it's fair to say going into the last 5 games there was 3 clubs endanger of automatic relegation and the other two of a play off spot that could also lead to relegation too .
Again though the Kilmarnock board deserve enormous credit for sticking with McInnes that year considering how bad it was . Not many clubs nowadays stick with a manager that loses 6 out of his first 8 games in fairness. We sacked one for losing his first 3 ! .
As to your earlier questions of which is it ? Our situation going into the split is very much different to the one Killie had . Killie had also lost 20 games that season which is just about our combined wins and draws .
Really can't see Ross county winning 4 or 5 and us losing 4 or 5 in truth .
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16-04-2024 09:28 PM #180
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