Season over. Empty him now.

[erin go bragh]

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To be fair he's been absolutely done by refereeing decisions.

We could, and probably should, have another 9 points and be sitting comfortably in the top 6.

We would be sitting 4th had we not been shafted by VAR/ referees.

[The Modfather]

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He hasn’t improved the midfield - the Bournemouth link has.
His contribution has been deciding to play Emiliano up front and completely nullify our best player.
He’s clueless.

Does that mean we can also absolve Monty responsibility for not fixing the defence and blame the Bournemouth link for our defensive faults?

[Stubbsy90+2]

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If you ignore context and look only at results then sure. The results have been crap.

The fly in the ointment of that argument is that since the St mirren debacle (and I'd happily have seen him emptied after that) we have been pretty good and if we'd won all 6 games since then we'd have deserved it.
Our defence is still a problem of course, but when we're continually shafted with decisions in what feels like every single game now then I don't feel the cold hard statistics of results can be the only barometer of how we and the manager are doing.

You’ve chosen a 6 game snapshot of his 30 game tenure. 2 of those games have been won, so there’s 4 games in there. 1 of them was against Celtic where we got beat and arguably should have drawn, so we’re now down to 3 games we maybe should have won. It’s hardly like it hugely skews the overall point, he still wouldn’t be winning nearly enough games.

I’m fed up of ‘context’ to be honest. Jack Ross was abysmal towards the end of his reign. Folk claimed it wasn’t his fault because he wasn’t backed. Shaun Maloney came in and was crap. It wasn’t his fault as he wasn’t backed. LJ came in and had to deal with injuries, so it wasn’t his fault. NM has come in and had bad decisions, so it’s not his fault.

If the results aren’t good enough, then the results aren’t good enough. Get someone in who can win games, even if other teams steal some yards at a throw in.

[Stubbsy90+2]

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Does that mean we can also absolve Monty responsibility for not fixing the defence and blame the Bournemouth link for our defensive faults?

The defence has been ‘bolstered’ by a guy NM has worked with previously. He now chooses to play that guy in midfield instead. It’s a fairly safe assumption that NM played a large part in him coming in.

[Kato]

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This place is its usual rational self after a disappointing result I see.

We've been absolutely robbed of at least 7 points over 4 different league games in the last few weeks ffs. Had we got the wins against County, Hearts and Aberdeen that we would have had with proper refereeing, plus at least a draw against celtic things would be looking very different indeed.

I honestly think some people are so used to it they're just not taking it into account.

Referee mistakes are normal. VAR interpretations can be weird. This amount of both in such a short time is not normal.

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[Shrekko]

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He has been given a greatly improved squad since January and still can’t string a few consecutive wins together. Don’t see any evidence he is the man to take us forward next season with the new investment.

Starting Emiliano up front again was baffling and taking 45 mins to correct it. He then gave up all control of the game by bringing Hanlon on for Emiliano. If you’re just trying to see out the game why leave Youan on when time and time again he costs us goals with his disinterest in defending!

Emiliano was passing the ball to Ross County players all night. Cannae see why we missed that so much. He's also been woeful 3 games on the trot.

It's getting like the posts we used to see about Scott Allan not getting a game in his last season.

[Ozyhibby]

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I honestly think some people are so used to it they're just not taking it into account.

Referee mistakes are normal. VAR interpretations can be weird. This amount of both in such a short time is not normal.

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It was a throw in given the wrong way. An organised well prepared team can deal with that. We are not that under Montgomery. He has to go.


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[Hiber-nation]

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Emiliano was passing the ball to Ross County players all night. Cannae see why we missed that so much. He's also been woeful 3 games on the trot.

It's getting like the posts we used to see about Scott Allan not getting a game in his last season.

Spot on, for all the good stuff particularly at tynie he's been poor in most games. And Maolida, goal aside, was even worse last night.

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It was a throw in given the wrong way. An organised well prepared team can deal with that. We are not that under Montgomery. He has to go.


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I don't agree with that at all. How can a team who sees the ball going out off the opposing player and expect the throw in to them suddenly be able to deal with a throw being taken in the wrong place for the opposition?

Are we to play as though every decision goes against us until it doesn't?

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I don't agree with that at all. How can a team who sees the ball going out off the opposing player and expect the throw in to them suddenly be able to deal with a throw being taken in the wrong place for the opposition?

Are we to play as though every decision goes against us until it doesn't?

You could flip that round though and say how can a team who watched the ball go out off their own player manage to create a goal scoring opportunity so quickly but we can’t manage to defend it.

When it comes to the 98th minute of a game that you’re winning by a goal, I’d suggest the second it became clear RC were chancing their arm at getting the throw in that we absolutely should have been playing as if the decision had went against us. Yes, it was our throw in, but we completely failed to react. They done the opposite and scored.

[One Day Soon]

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Yep. We’ve also just been cheated out of four points through awful refereeing within the last week alone, it could easily have been twelve from twelve.

I realise some want someone who rants and raves like Lennon after games but the almighty overreaction every time we as much as drop a point, irrelevant of circumstance, is pathetic.

Are you serious? I think a number of us want a manager who can set us up properly before the game starts or, failing that, quickly make adjustments based upon what we all see with our own eyes once a game has started.

I think we'd like someone who, in parallel with the material improvement in players at his disposal, can achieve a material improvement in results.

I think we'd also like someone who, having signed his first pick to improve our central defence, managed to actually improve our central defence with the player he has specifically signed to do so.

And finally I think we'd like someone who, despite all the hard luck stories in the world (it's the injuries, it's the refs, it's international duty, the system will come right eventually), would start to bank some form and some results that look like we are improving as a team and a squad.

So, this is not "almighty overreaction every time we as much as drop a point", it's an appropriate reaction given that this is now a pretty settled pattern of underachievement, inconsistency and very poor managerial decisions.

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Are you serious? I think a number of us want a manager who can set us up properly before the game starts or, failing that, quickly make adjustments based upon what we all see with our own eyes once a game has started.

I think we'd like someone who, in parallel with the material improvement in players at his disposal, can achieve a material improvement in results.

I think we'd also like someone who, having signed his first pick to improve our central defence, managed to actually improve our central defence with the player he has specifically signed to do so.

And finally I think we'd like someone who, despite all the hard luck stories in the world (it's the injuries, it's the refs, it's international duty, the system will come right eventually), would start to bank some form and some results that look like we are improving as a team and a squad.

So, this is not "almighty overreaction every time we as much as drop a point", it's an appropriate reaction given that this is now a pretty settled pattern of underachievement, inconsistency and very poor managerial decisions.

[One Day Soon]

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We would be sitting 4th had we not been shafted by VAR/ referees.

That's very firmly in the 'If my Auntie had baws...' category though.

We could also have been sitting 4th if we hadn't been so monumentally crap in many, many games throughout the season where (insert reason that isn't Nick Montgomery here) hadn't done us in.

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It was a throw in given the wrong way. An organised well prepared team can deal with that. We are not that under Montgomery. He has to go.


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Not trying to discuss it with people who made up their minds ages ago.

But. It was a throw in given the wrong way then taken 15 yards upfield within seconds. VAR should have intervened as there is a glaring error leading up to a goal.

Do you think NM is to blame for evey ref error against us recently which has cost us points.

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You could flip that round though and say how can a team who watched the ball go out off their own player manage to create a goal scoring opportunity so quickly but we can’t manage to defend it.

When it comes to the 98th minute of a game that you’re winning by a goal, I’d suggest the second it became clear RC were chancing their arm at getting the throw in that we absolutely should have been playing as if the decision had went against us. Yes, it was our throw in, but we completely failed to react. They done the opposite and scored.

I don't disagree, it still needs defending.

I also think it was human beings who have been playing football for nearly 100 minutes, bodies and minds are tired and you see the ball go out for a throw and think "yes, thats got to be it", and in the split second things change.

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We would be sitting 4th had we not been shafted by VAR/ referees.

7 points this last while we've lost because of VAR / referees .

[He's here!]

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You’ve chosen a 6 game snapshot of his 30 game tenure. 2 of those games have been won, so there’s 4 games in there. 1 of them was against Celtic where we got beat and arguably should have drawn, so we’re now down to 3 games we maybe should have won. It’s hardly like it hugely skews the overall point, he still wouldn’t be winning nearly enough games.

I’m fed up of ‘context’ to be honest. Jack Ross was abysmal towards the end of his reign. Folk claimed it wasn’t his fault because he wasn’t backed. Shaun Maloney came in and was crap. It wasn’t his fault as he wasn’t backed. LJ came in and had to deal with injuries, so it wasn’t his fault. NM has come in and had bad decisions, so it’s not his fault.

If the results aren’t good enough, then the results aren’t good enough. Get someone in who can win games, even if other teams steal some yards at a throw in.

I know plenty managers have been sacked after fewer games than that but it's crazy how little time they get these days to implement a structure/way of playing. Given how mediocre we've been for several years now it's unrealistic to expect a new manager to come in and immediately hit the ground running (especially when you're working with someone else's squad for the first few months). You have to imagine Monty came here with a long-term plan, bearing in mind he was prepared to move halfway round the globe and uproot his family to take the job. On recent evidence I think he deserves more time to get where he wants to go with Hibs.

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I'm not quite sure what happens if Montgomery goes. I don't see what the board have been trying to do over the past few years. Looking around at Hearts, Dundee, St Mirren, Kilmarnock, I don't quite understand why, with the resources we have, we've been so (mostly) ***** the past 4 years. I think Montgomery has made mistakes, but that doesn't mean he's the wrong guy for the job. For the most part this still isn't his squad. Arguably he shouldn't have tried to overhaul the squad mid-season, but I can see why he'd think it was necessary. Then again, he's back to tinkering with his set ups, which annoys me.

All that said, his coat will be on a shaky peg. Foley/Black Knight will be watching closely and won't trust him with the summer transfer budget unless he has an astoundingly good run in after this.

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[JeMeSouviens]

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I'm not quite sure what happens if Montgomery goes. I don't see what the board have been trying to do over the past few years. Looking around at Hearts, Dundee, St Mirren, Kilmarnock, I don't quite understand why, with the resources we have, we've been so (mostly) ***** the past 4 years. I think Montgomery has made mistakes, but that doesn't mean he's the wrong guy for the job. For the most part this still isn't his squad. Arguably he shouldn't have tried to overhaul the squad mid-season, but I can see why he'd think it was necessary. Then again, he's back to tinkering with his set ups, which annoys me.

All that said, his coat will be on a shaky peg. Foley/Black Knight will be watching closely and won't trust him with the summer transfer budget unless he has an astoundingly good run in after this.

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Taking long shot punts is about the long and short of it.

[GreenCastle]

The standard of reffing has been awful but we are currently…

20 points behind Hearts..
7 points behind St Mirren..
6 points behind Killie
1 point behind Dundee

3 points ahead of Motherwell.

We really struggle to win 2 league games in a row.

In the next 4 games Rangers away we will lose - but all 3 other games are winnable but tonight.. Livi fighting to stay up..Levein and saints..and Motherwell who have been in good form and trying to make top 6.

If we don’t make top 6 it’s a shambles. 4th is possible but the draw last night means we need to basically win Livi - Saints and Motherwell at least plus win some games in top 6 split if we make it.

If the inconsistency continues we could easily be bottom 6 or finish 6 which again is seriously under achieving.

[One Day Soon]

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Taking long shot punts is about the long and short of it.

Correct, dressed up as Moneyball.

But it's been more like roulette, and they keep betting on 00 green thinking they're very, very clever boys. Narrator's voice: They're not.

[Mike Berry]

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Correct, dressed up as Moneyball.

But it's been more like roulette, and they keep betting on 00 green thinking they're very, very clever boys. Narrator's voice: They're not.

Certainly looks that way.

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If we'd been given a fair shake by referees I feel Hibs would be 7-8 points, at least, better off. Would this thread be here if that were the case?

[He's here!]

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I'm not quite sure what happens if Montgomery goes. I don't see what the board have been trying to do over the past few years. Looking around at Hearts, Dundee, St Mirren, Kilmarnock, I don't quite understand why, with the resources we have, we've been so (mostly) ***** the past 4 years. I think Montgomery has made mistakes, but that doesn't mean he's the wrong guy for the job. For the most part this still isn't his squad. Arguably he shouldn't have tried to overhaul the squad mid-season, but I can see why he'd think it was necessary. Then again, he's back to tinkering with his set ups, which annoys me.

All that said, his coat will be on a shaky peg. Foley/Black Knight will be watching closely and won't trust him with the summer transfer budget unless he has an astoundingly good run in after this.

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Without a significant revamp we were looking in danger of a relegation battle. He's signed well IMHO and while some of the players are only here short-term I think he had a clear idea of who he wanted, unlike some previous transfer windows where we've seemed almost to bring in players for the sake of it and who have had next to no impact.

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Correct, dressed up as Moneyball.

But it's been more like roulette, and they keep betting on 00 green thinking they're very, very clever boys. Narrator's voice: They're not.

Brace yourself, I think this is only going to get worse going forward - Soccerball Franchise FC.

I think the days of us trying to assemble a solid Scottish spine, who know exactly what it takes to compete in this country, are gone -, as we scour the far corners of the globe looking for the next superstar.

Read recently that we’re aiming to reduce our squad average age - for me, that’s one of our biggest issues. The age profile / inexperience of our defence in particular is a massive reason for our struggles this season.

[Cocaine&Caviar]

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6th is a total failure.

4th is gone and we’re out the cup.

6th is not total failure.

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6th is not total failure.

It is poor imo but agree it’s not total failure given that we have to bin a manager 3 games into the season and the new manager had to work with players that weren’t his for months.

You can see we are building a team now and we are playing far better. Last night is a sore one to take, but take these dodgy decisions that seem to be going against us away and we are probably sitting 4th and the manager is getting praise.

[Hibernian Verse]

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Brace yourself, I think this is only going to get worse going forward - Soccerball Franchise FC.

I think the days of us trying to assemble a solid Scottish spine, who know exactly what it takes to compete in this country, are gone -, as we scour the far corners of the globe looking for the next superstar.

Read recently that we’re aiming to reduce our squad average age - for me, that’s one of our biggest issues. The age profile / inexperience of our defence in particular is a massive reason for our struggles this season.

Ah the old solid Scottish Spine. What a load of xenophobic rubbish. Here is the top 3 and their Scottish spines in their last outing.

1st Rangers - Butland, Goldson, Souttar, Lundstram, Diomande, Dessers. One Scot.
2nd Celtic - Hart, Welsh, Scales, Iwata, Idah. One Scot.
3rd Hearts - Gordon, Rowles, Sibbick, Devlin, Baningime, Grant, Shankland. Two Scots.

Out of 18 players from back to front in the "spine" there were 4 scots.

We need better players, it doesn't matter where they're from.

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Ah the old solid Scottish Spine. What a load of xenophobic rubbish. Here is the top 3 and their Scottish spines in their last outing.

1st Rangers - Butland, Goldson, Souttar, Lundstram, Diomande, Dessers. One Scot.
2nd Celtic - Hart, Welsh, Scales, Iwata, Idah. One Scot.
3rd Hearts - Gordon, Rowles, Sibbick, Devlin, Baningime, Grant, Shankland. Two Scots.

Out of 18 players from back to front in the "spine" there were 4 scots.

We need better players, it doesn't matter where they're from.

The Old Firm are an anomaly in this league, irrelevant to the debate.

The best Hibs sides have always had a good core of Scottish players.

Hearts 2 best players are Scottish, and a big part of the reason that they find themselves sealing 3rd in Feb and into another Scottish Cup semi.

We’ve been dicking about for years trying to be too clever, similar to Aberdeen in that regard actually. Both with managerial appointments and player recruitment.

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Emiliano was passing the ball to Ross County players all night. Cannae see why we missed that so much. He's also been woeful 3 games on the trot.

It's getting like the posts we used to see about Scott Allan not getting a game in his last season.

Correct, he may still be rusty after a long spell out but I definitely wouldn't be bursting my budget on him. Needs to be way more dominant and effective for the money folk are talking about. Also he's not getting any younger so won't get any more mobile and the one thing the SPL requires if midfielders is high energy and mobility. No-one gets to stroll around, doesn't matter what skill level you have. I would add Maolida to this. More Moriah-Welsh types, less show ponies please.