Budge.

[gbhibby]

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It wasn’t. No matter the decision there should never be things thrown on the pitch.

I do sort of agree with your other point though, why is their screen away from the dugouts and surrounded by the flumps? Is the £20m mega stand too diddy to handle a telly?

Surprised they were allowed to site the monitor there.

[vuefrom1875]

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It's safe to say if we get ours cut then we will do the same back. We don't want that to happen but at the end of the day we only have ourselves to blame if we do end up with one section of the ground. Budge didn't say it our allocation was definitely getting cut but I think any more bad behaviour form us at Tynecastle will see us go the way of every other club that visits there. 657 tickets or something is all thats given to away teams.

Something needs to be done to stop non ST holders getting tickets as these folk can cause trouble and walk away virtually untraceable by the club. We have to do some sort of ticket collection on the day of the game with ID shown etc.

Here's an idea.

1, Ticket collections take place on the day of the game at a pre designated place in the city centre such as a hotel conference room or something. Each ticket holder MUST collect in person with no exceptions.

2, You turn up between the designated time slot to get your tickets. say 4pm-6:30pm for a midweek match and 12pm-2:30pm for a Saturday game.

3, You only get your ticket if you produce valid ID, purchase confirmation and your season ticket.

4, You're then given your ticket AND an accompanying wristband, and you must then show both the ticket and wristband to gain entry to the stadium. If you try to get in without the wristband then tough, no dice.

This has been tried and tested previously for collections at Man City away European games, I know because I had to go through the same process for Celtic away in the champs league years ago, tickets were collected from the old fruit market in Glasgow. Both tickets and wristbands were checked 2 times before getting to the turnstiles at parkhead as well. The system does work but it is a bit nippy with all the queuing but if its organised correctly it works well.

.....slaver.

[Hermit Crab]

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.....slaver.

Thank you for playing. Come again.

[JimBHibees]

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Thank you for playing. Come again.

[jacomo]

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Maybe we should expect a bit more of our fans? I don’t remember any issues from their fans at ER apart from the odd flare which is normality nowadays.

And breaking the seats. And vandalising the stadium.

Not engaging in whataboutery here, but both clubs have a proportion of problematic fans.

[B.H.F.C]

Reading some of her comments and actually think they’re relatively fair.

"It is really important. It is not one set of fans and not the other. I was watching the game even though I was not here, and I know comments were made about Hearts fans throwing things as well and it is true. We have to work together. We have the same problem. Nobody wants it."

[Se7enUp]

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And breaking the seats. And vandalising the stadium.

Not engaging in whataboutery here, but both clubs have a proportion of problematic fans.

Accusations of "whataboutery' come from people who like to indulge in a bit of self-flagellation. I have no interest in only sorting things at Hibs to the exclusion of pointing the finger at others and telling them to get their house in order. It also irritates the hell out of me when we're doffing our caps to complaints from reps & fans of other clubs who have an as big, if not bigger, misbehaving fans problem, a problem that's usually unacknowledged.

[Jones28]

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And breaking the seats. And vandalising the stadium.

Not engaging in whataboutery here, but both clubs have a proportion of problematic fans.

I’ve acknowledged that previously in the thread and it’s fair to comment. That has always happened AFAIK and clubs quietly pay one another for the damage, like when the toilets at tynecastle get smashed up.

[Jones28]

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Accusations of "whataboutery' come from people who like to indulge in a bit of self-flagellation. I have no interest in only sorting things at Hibs to the exclusion of pointing the finger at others and telling them to get their house in order. It also irritates the hell out of me when we're doffing our caps to complaints from reps & fans of other clubs who have an as big, if not bigger, misbehaving fans problem, a problem that's usually unacknowledged.

Who’s doffing their caps?

[green day]

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I’ve acknowledged that previously in the thread and it’s fair to comment. That has always happened AFAIK and clubs quietly pay one another for the damage, like when the toilets at tynecastle get smashed up.

I think you mean the world class toilets at tynecastle.

[Septimus]

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I'm not sticking up for anybody, and it was never my scene (I was a goth), but the boring dad you are now sitting next to was maybe a casual in the day, and the grandad was possibly a hoolie, and the great grandad was...I dunno what they were called in the 50's.

as one great grandad my recollection is that fans stood together, exchanged banter and enjoyed our chosen sport.

It will always be a part of football.

And it was a much more enjoyable experience.

[Smartie]

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I think you mean the world class toilets at tynecastle.

They famously have a better atmosphere than any other toilet in the country.

If you bring up a photo of the Tynecastle pitch on your phone when having a dump in said toilet then technically you also have a pitch view, a first for Scotland.

[gbhibby]

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They famously have a better atmosphere than any other toilet in the country.

If you bring up a photo of the Tynecastle pitch on your phone when having a dump in said toilet then technically you also have a pitch view, a first for Scotland.

That would give you a dose of the runs.

[JohnM1875]

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Reading some of her comments and actually think they’re relatively fair.

"It is really important. It is not one set of fans and not the other. I was watching the game even though I was not here, and I know comments were made about Hearts fans throwing things as well and it is true. We have to work together. We have the same problem. Nobody wants it."

She's spot on to be then. Fair play to her.

[Ozyhibby]

Anyone in the section directly behind the goals should be banned from Tynecastle tickets for the foreseeable future. That should help .


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[Diclonius]

For the all the people engaging in whataboutery, allow me to make it perfectly clear:

When the inevitable happens and away allocations are cut/removed entirely at derbies, Hibs and Hearts fans will blame 1. the people involved in the violence, on both sides and 2. you. Whilst people shouldn't actually do it in the first place, the belief that "actually, the other side does it and they're worse" is a hell of an excuse to keep doing it.

You can continue to say they're actually worse so us doing it is fine actually, or continue to attend derbies at Tynecastle. Pick one.

[Keith_M]

I read Ann Budge's most recent comments and thought she was very honest and very fair, pointing out that the issue is not just one set of fans but includes their own.

She also said both clubs need to work together on this, and I totally agree

[B.H.F.C]

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For the all the people engaging in whataboutery, allow me to make it perfectly clear:

When the inevitable happens and away allocations are cut/removed entirely at derbies, Hibs and Hearts fans will blame 1. the people involved in the violence, on both sides and 2. you. Whilst people shouldn't actually do it in the first place, the belief that "actually, the other side does it and they're worse" is a hell of an excuse to keep doing it.

You can continue to say they're actually worse so us doing it is fine actually, or continue to attend derbies at Tynecastle. Pick one.

It’s not about whataboutery, there is a problem with both sides. Even Auld Budgie says so.

[Diclonius]

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It’s not about whataboutery, there is a problem with both sides. Even Auld Budgie says so.

And we would get far better results if we focused on fixing our own problems instead of complaining about theirs.

[B.H.F.C]

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And we would get far better results if we focused on fixing our own problems instead of complaining about theirs.

No seen anyone saying that what happened/happens is ok. Or that it’s ok to crack on as they’re worse or anything like that.

It’s totally fair to comment that it’s not just an issue for us though. Why would we only condemn our own rather than the problem in general?

[Diclonius]

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No seen anyone saying that what happened/happens is ok. Or that it’s ok to crack on as they’re worse or anything like that.

It’s totally fair to comment that it’s not just an issue for us though. Why would we only condemn our own rather than the problem in general?

It is absolutely not just an issue for us. But the prime objective of the whataboutism is to absolve your side of any responsibility. I'm sure over on Kickback their roasters have been using the exact same tactic since the Cabraja incident and guess what, it's working!

You only have to cross the M8 to see the inevitable result of constantly blaming the other side for your behaviour.

[Carheenlea]

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I read Ann Budge's most recent comments and thought she was very honest and very fair, pointing out that the issue is not just one set of fans but includes their own.

She also said both clubs need to work together on this, and I totally agree

Good to see some more pragmatic opinion rather than simple threats to cut allocations. She’ll know it’s a problem that’s not going to be solved on such basis.

I’d be anticipating a joint statement ahead of the next derby warning fans about unacceptable conduct and the implications for those who fall foul, be that in the home stands or away.

A little reminder to the police and stewarding company that they could be upping their game a bit given how much they get paid for overseeing the security and safety on match days wouldn’t go amiss either.

[Hibbyradge]

It's somewhat ironic that we have this thread discussing the possible reduction in tickets because of fan behaviour and another thread bemoaning the fact that alcohol isn't allowed inside football stadia.

Bloody toffs...